I think this hatred of Venom is a holdover from when Bob watched Spider-Man The Animated Series (1993). This version of Venom was, like in many others including the Raimi films, Eddie Brock. He initially hates Spoderman for somehow ruining his journalism career and seemed to be somewhat of a bully.
You get some really good arcs out of both Eddie and Flash becoming Venom. Peter was a good person who the symbiote turned into a bully, but part of his character rubbed off on the symbiote. So when a bully gets the symbiote, it ironically makes them a better person. Yes Venom despises Parker, but he still has some of his moral compass, it's just a violent version.
They really want minorities to be like this. They really do.
There was a Dobson comic with this premise - where various minorities were screaming with glee at the sight of representation. This mentality reminded me of an ape in front of a mirror, their brain going, "same? same!"
He also simped hard for Kim Jong-Un's sister
I'm sorry but I can't agree. While Spider-Man 3 has some stuff in it not related to the black costume and Venom that's terrible (why is Gwen Stacy in it? Raimi's Mary Jane is already an amalgam of Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy. Should've been Black Cat), the black costume and Venom are like 90% of its problems. See, because Raimi's more of a traditional Steve Ditko/John Romita Spider-Man era kind of guy and you could tell that he wanted to do the Sandman because Sandman has the tragic villain backstory like Doc Ock and most of the 'good' special effects are dedicated to Sandman. But the studio made him include Venom, which means he had to dedicate a considerable portion of the narrative to setting that up which means the Sandman narrative and all the stuff with Harry Osborn Goblin don't really get the space they need to breathe.
I really need to stop skimming Bob tweets, because this is some of the dumbest shit he's ever spewed. Granted, he's not the one who called Kingdom Come "nihilist," but nor did he object. And "gloomy old people" is all on him.What?
. . .
WHAT?????
KINGDOM COME?
Just... of all the major DC events and stories which often involve crossovers with multiple universes you pick the ONE prestige comic story which was ENTIRELY SELF CONTAINED!!!
Bob you dense, idiotic, dumb motherfucker.
Also I'm struggling not to go even harder at Jack & Bob in the followup. Kingdom Come is LITERALLY one of the LEAST nihilistic comic books I've ever read. Neither of you know a damn thing about this comic!!
Actually most of the comic is about PREVENTING death.
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In fact a death is a major turning point.
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And there is ONE page with the outcome.
That's literally the sum total of "bodies" but as the VERY next page details, "there were survivors."
Again, THIS is the comic they declare nihilist.
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(Disclosure: It's one of my favorite DC stories and I've read it multiple times AND its two different sequels.)
He wrote it but he was more like a writer-for-hire, the bulk of it was Alex Ross' idea
Hey, don't blame Boston area racists just to deflect from the fact youse guys want it named Mooliepox.
I'm with you that including Venom certainly made the movie worse, but (in my opinion anyway) don't think Sandman as he's written would have been a good villain to hold the movie up by himself. He's far too sympathetic and beyond trying to get some cash doesn't really do anything wrong. There's no endgame which is going to devastate the city, he's not threatening Pete's loved ones, he's just a guy out to make money.
I know Kingdom Come sometimes makes lists on clickbait sites on "dark" DC AUs even though it's really not. It's usually people who've never read the story and get hung up on everyone in the Daily Planet dying but Clark, the trinity being divided on how to respond to people distorting their legacy, or how there was a period in the 00s where Kingdom Come Superman showed up in the regular DCU where he gave the stereotypical "Don't end up like me" talk to Superman and stayed around as part of the JSA as part of Power Girl's arc. There was a while where it was still considered a future things could go in if things went wrong but it's absurd to lump it in with dystopia stories.
On the one hand, Venom has always been a weird fit even for Spider-man. Like I said way back to @RockVolnutt with Ms. Marvel, there's a lot of lead up tied into the original that you have to figure out some way to adapt/streamline to get into a 2 hr movie. It's also just a little bit tonally dissonant being an outer-space concept in a generally street-level, mad-scientist scifi hero. So of all the wide variety of Spider-man stuff, Venom does make about the most sense to spin-off into his own separate movies.
For those curious...
I'm of a similar opinion. If you check out Justice or Marvels, they both have similar tones and themes to Kingdom Come. I assume he just asks the first writer he can find and then gets to work painting literally everything he can find on the Marvel wiki.
Yeah but, it's not an opinion, that's literally what happened. Alex Ross had the concept, developed an outline, took it to DC who said 'Why don't you work with Waid? He knows a lot about the history of DC superheroes' and the project took form.
You say that because we only have the finished product to look at. Who knows what Raimi would have done with it if Sandman was the only villain? You say Sandman was far too sympathetic? Well Doc Ock, as Raimi depicted him, was very sympathetic. He was traumatised because his science experiment, that he'd spent his life working on, went wrong, killed his beloved wife and fused his metal arms to him. All he had left was his science so he only commits evil to those ends. He's not otherwise an evil person.
He probably hated The Todd because he's been told to, like so many other things.
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