Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[Bloody bunny]

Well, I'm gonna need a direct citation on that because trying to parse the Star Trek wiki is like trying to decipher an alien language to me. But I'm certain if there's was a "Eugenics War" in Star Trek's history it was 100000% treated as an atrocity that helped nothing.

Yeah it even had a major impact on the Klingon Empire.

 

[Adamska]

I just want to remind you of this

Ted Turner was only slightly better than your average corporate raider. He absorbed and murdered several studios and television stations, and almost succeeded in hostilely taking over CBS and only was prevented because CBS intentionally poisoned itself to scare him off.

He tried to link the "let's not use real people to avoid dating and making cringey political pieces" to sucking corporate cock. There is no bridging logic between the two, it's just Bob fetishizing his philosophy king left-objectivist bullshit.

I bet Billy-Bob would fail to come up with any real philosophy on film creation too. He'd try splicing auteur theory with corporate pushes and double-think the inconsistencies away.

I never call anybody a "fake" fan because it's an obnoxious, eltist dick move. I don't give a person shit for liking Spider-Man but not reading the entire 60+ years worth of comics... especially since there's huge chunks of those comics that are actually really fucking bad. There are different levels of fandom, there's casual and hardcore. You never wanna go too hardcore because then you end up loudly arguing with the producer of your nerd podcast on air because you didn't get invited to Star Wars land for free.

Even then, there's still something to be said for someone who parades around their hardcore fandom and intricate knowledge of geek stuff but whose only knowledge comes from the latest film and browsing Wikipedia. What you say is: "Bob Chipman will never get to sniff Lindsay Ellis again."

I'm only doing this because this stupid fucker tries to pretend he is a hardcore fan who has an intricate knowledge of all he bleats on. He also tries to make this his job in spite of his sheer incompetence and posturing to hide said incompetence. Only reason I do this.

 

[Mola Ram]

I bet Billy-Bob would fail to come up with any real philosophy on film creation too. He'd try splicing auteur theory with corporate pushes and double-think the inconsistencies away.

I'm pretty sure he once tried to explain how the MCU was a great example of auteur theory, which is so stupid it's practically self-refuting.

 

[Jah Hates Kaffirs]

I'm pretty sure he once tried to explain how the MCU was a great example of auteur theory, which is so stupid it's practically self-refuting.

Don't Blob-types hate the MCU for being militarist or whatever?

 

[Lasersuit Larry]

Ted Turner was only slightly better than your average corporate raider. He absorbed and murdered several studios and television stations, and almost succeeded in hostilely taking over CBS and only was prevented because CBS intentionally poisoned itself to scare him off.

He tried to link the "let's not use real people to avoid dating and making cringey political pieces" to sucking corporate cock. There is no bridging logic between the two, it's just Bob fetishizing his philosophy king left-objectivist bullshit.

I bet Billy-Bob would fail to come up with any real philosophy on film creation too. He'd try splicing auteur theory with corporate pushes and double-think the inconsistencies away.

I'm only doing this because this stupid fucker tries to pretend he is a hardcore fan who has an intricate knowledge of all he bleats on. He also tries to make this his job in spite of his sheer incompetence and posturing to hide said incompetence. Only reason I do this.

You can also thank Ted Turner for a hand in killing off what little remained of the old Pro Wrestling territories. If you have ever bemoaned the fact that the only wrestling games in town are Vince McMahon's and the lost, itinerant mistrals who are the darlings of the indy scene, you can thank Ted Turner, at least in part.

 

[Chad Holdenford]

You can also thank Ted Turner for a hand in killing off what little remained of the old Pro Wrestling territories. If you have ever bemoaned the fact that the only wrestling games in town are Vince McMahon's and the lost, itinerant mistrals who are the darlings of the indy scene, you can thank Ted Turner, at least in part.

Yeah, I read all about how he was such a mark for good ol' rasslin', he made sure some southern territory promotions had weekly shows under one of his stations. And how Vinny Mac buying out one of these promotions was a long-term catalyst to what would become the Monday Night Wars that fans love to reminisce about, despite its long-term damage in the industry.
Of course, all he did was guarantee secure timeslots for live and pre-taped shows, and for WCW inject as much money as he possibly could, quality be damned.

To relate this to the subject of this thread, it amazes me how the blob rarely, if ever, commented about pro wrestling. It would fit right up his alley.

 

[Lasersuit Larry]

Yeah, I read all about how he was such a mark for good ol' rasslin', he made sure some southern territory promotions had weekly shows under one of his stations. And how Vinny Mac buying out one of these promotions was a long-term catalyst to what would become the Monday Night Wars that fans love to reminisce about, despite its long-term damage in the industry.
Of course, all he did was guarantee secure timeslots for live and pre-taped shows, and for WCW inject as much money as he possibly could, quality be damned.

To relate this to the subject of this thread, it amazes me how the blob rarely, if ever, commented about pro wrestling. It would fit right up his alley.

Turner and wrestling is a great example of a guy who loved his idea of something so much, he meddled in it so hard that he helped ruin the real thing.

It would be a very Bobertine mentality, if he had the means to buy something successful and then run it into the ground by assuming he can use his faint passing fascination to work it better than the people who made it what it is.

Edit: there is also another element that had less to do with Ted Turner personally and more to do with the corporate TV culture of TBS not understanding or respecting the rough wild carnie culture of old pro wrestling, vis a vis getting in the way of the people who knew what they were doing with the wrestling side of the production.

 

[Caustic Gelatin]

Gonna repost this one because It's one of Robert's most interesting fallacies.

It is one thing to update you way of thinking given new information, perspectives, etc.

it is another to lack any sort of principles, and you agree with new ideas solely on the merits of who is saying it, and to which social caste they belong.

If right people said that babies can decide gender by just the way they blink, Robert would be just behind them sayin science will prove them right and these babies should get their hormones treatment right away, and if you don't agree... well, guess who is a nazi?

And its easy for Robert to act like that because he has no skin in this game, he can agree with whatever people say as long as he get to be on top of this stupid social game, no matter how ludicrous shit gets, because he doesn't have to live any of it.

There is no easier thing to be the most progressive, open minded person on all issues, be trans, immigration, you name it, when one doesn't have to live with the consequences of such policies. When all you do is sit on your apartment tweeting, and occasionally going to the theater or your Brother's, then it is pretty easy to just say the things you belive (sorry, "think") that are righteous, withou any real self criticism exercise.

And that's because the only principle I see Robert living by is "I'm better and smarter than most".

Bob is king of the ass-kissers and whatever the "progressive" darlings say is the new politically correct hotness is what Bob will rail on about. He is an amorphous blob both physically and mentally and wiling to take whatever shape is ordered by his "betters". The only consistent principle I've seen him have is taking whatever the current thought of the day is and cranking it up to 11 in order to be seen as the goodest of the good boys.

Well that and unlimited access to as much fast food he can cram down his gob. I'de say he would die on that hill but we all know he couldn't make it up it.

 

[RockVolnutt]

If Bob were a real film buff and not a brain damaged pseudointellectual poseur, he'd have restricted his comment to the pithy: "This is why you just make the American President the back of some guy's head."

Pretty much. There's also another side to this that's baffling but it's very much TL;DR outside people who care about adaptations.

Spoiler: Adaptation sperging

While not talked as much as complaining about quips and tone in the MCU, the military/government stuff is one of their biggest fuck-ups adaptation wise. You'll notice that unlike the comics, basically every MCU character outside the Guardians or Netflix are not vigilantes and instead contracted agents of the state. They also present surveillance on your own populace as just business as usual with how SHIELD's treated. The most obvious fucked case is MCU Spider-Man having weird child soldier vibes as he works for the government (through Iron Man), has a metal suit with a voice activated "Kill mode", and his latest movie was about getting drones in Tony's will so he can dronestrike Europe.

Not that it's wholly original since they're really just adapting the militarized vibe of Ultimate Marvel with the Ultimates. The problem is Ultimates was Mark Millar sperging about Bush era jingoism and ended with the rest of the world being so fed up with America playing world police that they banded together to invade the US. The MCU doesn't do that and has a bad issue of always presenting problems as an outside source, even "good" ones like Winter Soldier just pin everything on a foreign entity like Hydra instead of SHIELD having an internal problem.

Sadly I mostly hear from others that approach this is sperging about toxic masculinity or the military in general. It'd be great if more casuals were aware.

I get Bob's fine with it because it's what he's into but still, deeply rooted issue in comparison to what they're based on.

 

[Mola Ram]

Bob is king of the ass-kissers and whatever the "progressive" darlings say is the new politically correct hotness is what Bob will rail on about. He is an amorphous blob both physically and mentally and wiling to take whatever shape is ordered by his "betters". The only consistent principle I've seen him have is taking whatever the current thought of the day is and cranking it up to 11 in order to be seen as the goodest of the good boys.

Bob is every bit as fawning and obsequious to people whose favor he curries (particularly lefty women / troons / "marginalized" people) as he is vicious and dismissive of mayo ghouls and their various subtypes. It's revoltingly slimy. If he had any charisma whatsoever, he'd be a great fit for politics.

 

[TowinKarz]

They say that before he died Orson Welles told a friend "Don’t let Ted Turner deface my movie with his crayons."

Old Joke Time: Guy walks in to his doctor's office and says he's suffering hallucinations. Says that every night, he sees pink elephants in his house.

Doctor tells him to stop watching TBS.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

Old Joke Time: Guy walks in to his doctor's office and says he's suffering hallucinations. Says that every night, he sees pink elephants in his house.

Doctor tells him to stop watching TBS.

Last time I complained about seeing too many pink elephants, my doctor told me to turn off The Blaze.

 

[Mola Ram]

Last time I complained about seeing too many pink elephants, my doctor told me to turn off The Blaze.

I'd make a Bob joke, but his skin looks much too unhealthy to be pink.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

> Earth-1218

How long until Blob starts sperging about the Dimensional Merge?

 

[EnemyStand]

> Earth-1218

How long until Blob starts sperging about the Dimensional Merge?

I wonder if someone could set him on a collision course with Chris-chan so we could find out.

 

[make_it_so]

> Earth-1218

How long until Blob starts sperging about the Dimensional Merge?

I'd say give him a few years, when drinking, diabetes, and increasing realization of irrelevance start to take their toll.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

> Earth-1218

How long until Blob starts sperging about the Dimensional Merge?

That's the only way he's getting his "SOOP-ER-IER FOO-TURE"

 

[lolwatagain]

> Earth-1218

How long until Blob starts sperging about the Dimensional Merge?

To be fair to Moviebob, that's just general Marvel sperging. It isn't even close to Dimensional Merge sperging.

I'd say give him a few years, when drinking, diabetes, and increasing realization of irrelevance start to take their toll.

It's more likely that Bob would futilely try to enact his one man "Final Solution" for the Mayonnaise Ghouls (4% chance) than delusionally sperg out about a dimensional merge that turns him into the third Mario brother and solves all of his problems (1% chance). But there is a 95% chance that he'll just bitch about how he was robbed by the mayonnaise ghouls, and moan about how he had fantastic potential that would have been fulfilled if society didn't let those inferior people in the red states survive.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Well, I'm gonna need a direct citation on that because trying to parse the Star Trek wiki is like trying to decipher an alien language to me. But I'm certain if there's was a "Eugenics War" in Star Trek's history it was 100000% treated as an atrocity that helped nothing.

The Eugenics Wars concept date back to the original Trek series and the first appearance of Khan.

The TL;DR of the Eugenics Wars is that mankind started dabbling in genetic modifications and designer children. It's unknown if Khan was a designer baby or someone as a kid who was genetically modified, but he gathered up a huge number of genetically modified men and women and conquered all of Asia and the Middle East from 1992 to 1997, when his forces were deposed. All genetically engineered people on Earth were ordered to be killed on sight, forcing Khan and a large number of surviving genetically modified people (who had enhanced smarts, physical abilities, and as a side effect of the whole modification process, borderline sociopathic personalities) to flee into outer space.

Khan's takeover was based on the idea of the genetically modified folk thinking they were superior to normies and that they were super-men that deserved to rule. The original Space Seed episode implied that Khan wasn't a tyrant to the people that he conquered and was a fair dictator type and was more reasonable when it came to debate; at least until the shit that happened between Space Seed and Wrath of Khan happened and Khan broke mentally and became obsessed with revenge on Kirk for all that happened.

The "Eugenics" part of the title of the war came in the aftermath as all forms of genetic modification became banned on Earth and forbidden research-wise. It's a relevant plotline for later seasons of DS9 when Doctor Bashir finds out that his parents secretly and very much illegally, subjected him to the same genetic modification that Khan and his people underwent as a kid; this creates a major issue as Earth got a bylaw put into place saying genetically modified humans are banned from serving in Starfleet and Bashir started to panic over the idea that his entire life was a lie due to him effectively "cheating" due to his genetically modifications.

The Eugenic Wars ironically did not include nuclear warfare and the leveling of all Earth civilization. That came later; and due to issues with Rodenberry and company not bothering to keep a proper official lore/timeline for the franchise that everyone in the writers room had to abide by, it's canon that there were MULTIPLE nuclear wars in the 21st Century that leveled civilization to the point that the Vulcans had to bootstrap Earth civilization to a level comparable to theirs. Not one singular one and that several of them happened after first contact with the Vulcans.

I find it hilarious how the same people who constantly remind you that MLK was a socialist go curiously silent when you mention that he was a Christian.

MLK downplayed being a socialist in public in favor of playing up his religious beliefs because being a socialist in the 1950s and 1960s was dangerous as far as the negative public view on socialism.

It's only in the last ten years that people keep bringing up the socialism aspect of MLK as part of the left's attempt to make socialism cool and hip.

 

[Lasersuit Larry]

The Eugenics Wars concept date back to the original Trek series and the first appearance of Khan.

The TL;DR of the Eugenics Wars is that mankind started dabbling in genetic modifications and designer children. It's unknown if Khan was a designer baby or someone as a kid who was genetically modified, but he gathered up a huge number of genetically modified men and women and conquered all of Asia and the Middle East from 1992 to 1997, when his forces were deposed. All genetically engineered people on Earth were ordered to be killed on sight, forcing Khan and a large number of surviving genetically modified people (who had enhanced smarts, physical abilities, and as a side effect of the whole modification process, borderline sociopathic personalities) to flee into outer space.

Khan's takeover was based on the idea of the genetically modified folk thinking they were superior to normies and that they were super-men that deserved to rule. The original Space Seed episode implied that Khan wasn't a tyrant to the people that he conquered and was a fair dictator type and was more reasonable when it came to debate; at least until the shit that happened between Space Seed and Wrath of Khan happened and Khan broke mentally and became obsessed with revenge on Kirk for all that happened.

The "Eugenics" part of the title of the war came in the aftermath as all forms of genetic modification became banned on Earth and forbidden research-wise. It's a relevant plotline for later seasons of DS9 when Doctor Bashir finds out that his parents secretly and very much illegally, subjected him to the same genetic modification that Khan and his people underwent as a kid; this creates a major issue as Earth got a bylaw put into place saying genetically modified humans are banned from serving in Starfleet and Bashir started to panic over the idea that his entire life was a lie due to him effectively "cheating" due to his genetically modifications.

The Eugenic Wars ironically did not include nuclear warfare and the leveling of all Earth civilization. That came later; and due to issues with Rodenberry and company not bothering to keep a proper official lore/timeline for the franchise that everyone in the writers room had to abide by, it's canon that there were MULTIPLE nuclear wars in the 21st Century that leveled civilization to the point that the Vulcans had to bootstrap Earth civilization to a level comparable to theirs. Not one singular one and that several of them happened after first contact with the Vulcans.

So originally the Vulcans were the galactic societal equivalent of a doe-eyed broad trying to fix a chronically broken man with the power of pussy?

One of the saddest days a Trek fan will ever see is the realization that much of the time Old Gene was full of shit.