Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[Koby_Fish]

Canada has three things the American left has tried to accomplish/establish stateside for 40 years, but can't quite manage, so they just squint their eyes and dream that one day they'll get there and pine for the "utopic" ideal that has been realized in Leafland the way a hopeless basement dwelling loser tries to catch the eye of a girl way out of his league through hardcore online simping. Specifically:

1. National Healthcare
2. Successful destruction of what once was robust firearm culture, and criminalization of firearm usage to the point that even if you're being actively stabbed to death, you WILL face homicide charges if you shoot and kill your attacker. Using a gun makes you evil, end of story.
3. Heavily related to above, a cucked court system that spends more resources trying to prosecute you for "hate crimes" that never drew blood than actual violent crimes that left people injured and victimized because mugging is just the voice of the unheard or whatever pithy leftist justification for being victimized by someone with darker skin color than you is this week.

the ONLY reason we even got Universal Health Care is the NDP put pressure on Lester B. Pearson's Minority (Liberal, of course) government, because if Lester didn't support Universal Health Care, the NDP wouldn't support them and then the Liberals could lose everything to a confidence vote (Like what happened to Joe Clark's minority government in the late 70s, leading to another round of P.E.T. Liberals). Many European governments operate along similar lines; the "NDP" (or Green or whatever fringe lefty party) tail can wag the dog in some cases, otherwise the party in power risks losing it.

But there is no such thing as "confidence votes" or "minority governments" in a republic like the U.S., so there's no way in hell that could happen like that there, and Bob's too ignorant to realize any of this. Nor does he grok the concept of wait lists (over a year to get an MRI in some cases 2 years at one point) or care rationing.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

3. Heavily related to above, a cucked court system that spends more resources trying to prosecute you for "hate crimes" that never drew blood than actual violent crimes that left people injured and victimized because mugging is just the voice of the unheard or whatever pithy leftist justification for being victimized by someone with darker skin color than you is this week.

Corrections Canada once transferred Terri-Lynne McClintic--who raped and murdered eight-year-old Tori Stafford with Michael Rafferty-- to a "healing lodge." A healing lodge is effectively a minimum security detention center designed for indigenous offenders. Public outrage led by Tori's parents forced the government to reverse the decision, but it goes to show how government bureaucrats sympathize with the worst offenders more than they do the victims.

 

[Flexo]

I agree. While I do think Thanos and his motioves are the weakest link in the Marvel movies, they can be easly overlooked, more so with the whole big fights showdowns and all that, and it is unrealistic to expect a 1 to 1 adaptaion from the comics to the movies in the same way anime does to the mangas (for the most part, till they run out of manga in case of the big series).

Closest thing we got was watchmen, and they couldn't even deliver on the giant octopus.

Still, I think it is a bit of shame how far the movies diverged from the comics, if there was any real love to bring comics to movies, there could have been a better way.

Oh trust me, my meatbag buddies and I have spent many a late evening debating the finer points of accuracy vs "spirit" in adaptions. (heck I'm torn on the giant octopus in both the source & movie)

One of the reasons I think comics will last in some form as a medium for many, many years is that they are, in a way, pretty much movies with no budget limits on them. (probably why Bob loves them so much) I think there's an interesting debate to be had - especially as movie effects grow more sophisticated - as to whether movies should try for 1 to 1 adaption, or should work to better highlight the divergence between the mediums. I'll admit, I'm still agnostic on the question.

That Green Lantern movie sucked, but not because we couldn't understand Hammond's motivation: shitty beta male loser, resentful of he doesn't have, angry at what others have, but without the willpower to achieve something on his own, quietly blaming everyone else for his misfortunes. And once this person gets a taste of power, it corrupts them in no time, such is their eagerness to resort violence against those who have "wronged him", a lot of the time out of petty jealousy.

There are a tons of characters like that. Fuck, Akira's Tetsuo is pretty much the epidome of this character.

This sort of characterization is pretty cut and dry, either Mr. Professional Moviecritic doesn't grasp the basics of writing, or seeing Hammond cutting too close to home to the fat, lonely, job ender, frustated speaker, he lashed out in a petty and resentfull rant that sorta proves the point of Hammond's character.

Not only that but he was on about how Hal Jordan is "just like Hammond" in getting undeserved power (never mind the ring's "seeking" function), so in Bob's mind, Hal Jordan - being the jock - should have been the evil one with the loser beta-nerd the hero. He can't stand one of his precious movies preaching heresy. (oh and ryan reynolds? perfect as deadpool - could do a decent guy gardner, is not hal jordan)

I mean I can just imagine his reaction if say... Firestorm was adapted as in the original 70s comic, it was not just a jock, but the college quarterback who gained the superpowers and it was the high school nerd/valedictorian who bullied him and eventually turned to supervillainy. Heck not only that, but the other main character, Professor Stein, a scientist who is a thinker working towards the superior future, is actually just a little bit of a jerk and in danger of becoming a villain himself UNTIL it is being around the quarterback that pulls Stein onto the straight and narrow. Bob probably would have gone on a jihad! (for a whole 30 feet before running out of breath)

(Hm I may have to go pull out my old comics and give them a re-read. There may be even more bob-parallels than I remember.)

 

[MirrorNoir]

You seem well read on the topic so maybe you can help explain my biggest problem with Endgame: If they knew that the second gauntlet was too powerful for a human to use why didn't they just let Captain Marvel use it instead of Tony, since she's been established as OP Stunning & Brave Kween of the Universe?

I know from a narrative perspective it had to be Tony because killing him off was more dramatic, but it's bugged the fuck out of me ever since because it seemed like such a glaringly obvious solution that absolutely no one on the team entertained; unless it was mentioned and my brain was just too fried at that point from the 30-minute CG battle.

The Russos are Team Olsen and don't like Brie Larsen.

Also, they probably had a bit of an eye towards merchandise: Hulk and Iron Man wielding the gauntlet made more sense as far as Hulk's version of the gauntlet justifies making the gauntlet oversized prop-wise, and the idea of doing a version of Iron Man with the gauntlet (same with Hulk).

I've always thought that Captain marvel in her modern conception in both comics and film is malformed, she's obviously a product of a series of corporate comitee decisions. Effectively she's trying to be Marvels Superman but pretty much everything about her feels artificial rather than developed and this cultivates resentment due to bad writting. She's bassically poochie.

To be more exact: Marvel/Disney want a version of Wonder Woman in the movies but are hamstringed by the fact that all of the popular female Marvel characters are locked up by Fox (IE Rogue, Storm, Marvel Girl, Invisible Woman), have convoluted rights issues combined with editorial and the top writers hating said character's guts (Scarlet Witch), or in the case of She-Hulk, despised even worse by the Hollywood elites for being "Hulk in drag".

Adding to this, while the movies elevated Black Widow to A-List character status, in the comics she has always been strictly D-List and attempts to capitalize on her movie popularity has failed in that she can't hold a series. Also, the issues with Ike not wanting to do a Black Widow film and blocking it for the longest time.

So Carol Danvers got the position due to default BUT got fucked over and then some by Marvel editorial: Kelly Sue DeConnick infamously mindwiped Carol a SECOND TIME at the start of her run literally so she could have the justification to ignore ALL previous Carol stories and portrayals so she and she alone would get "credit" for what got made into the movies. Furthermore, the disastrous visual revamp as Carol's bikini costume is pretty damn iconic and was replaced with a full body catsuit that, along with the dyke haircut and SJW artists drawing her flat chested and drawing her explicitly in a masculine fashion face-wise, killed the character's sex appeal which was a huge deal breaker because then you lose the entire male audience that is required if you fucking want a character to be a huge hit.

Adding to this, let's be frank: pre-DeConnick rape, Carol's chief claim to fame was that of an eternal victim. That was why fans liked her, in that it was sympathy of repeatedly being fucked over. This was 100% the fault of Chris Claremont, who in his own way, defiled Carol as badly as DeConnick did.

The Marcus storyline was bad, but Carol was 100% salvagable if it was handled by someone who cared to address it. Kang shows up out of the blue, claiming that his empire is under siege from his future self's son and Ms Marvel and finds out that the Avengers are under mind control that made them not wanting to get involved; Kang breaks the mind control and the Avengers didn't let Carol run off with her rapist who had used mind control on her; they were also under mind control which is why they didn't do or say anything. Kang and the Avengers go rescue Kang's kingdom, beat Marcus, and Carol is freed from her mind control and kills Marcus. Afterwords, Carol finds out that the Avengers were under the same mind control spell (so no hard feelings) and that she returns to Earth with the Avengers but goes her separate ways from them. And having the Avengers effectively turn a blind eye towards Carol killing Marcus due to the circumstances.

Claremont instead pretty much doubled down on the rape being bad AND WORSE, sacrificed Carol to get over Rogue as a big bad, which he promptly pissed away when he got bored one day and decided to make Rogue a good guy because you know, why the fuck not? This was especially kind of galling, as Claremont had a huge storyline planned for Carol's book (which he was writing when it was canceled) and still insisted that he wanted to tell it (but never did, due to Shooter's "no gays" ban and Claremont insisting that he portray Destiny and Mystique as gay in said storyline). Storyline plans he could have still done in UXM had he not fucking rendered Carol radioactive from having her lose her powers and memories to Rogue and shipping her off into outer space.

Even Kurt Busiek, who explicitly chose to use Carol as a major figure in his Avengers and Iron Man runs, couldn't help but to fuck shit up with Carol: giving her a drinking problem that seemed to reflect the meta issue that even if he wanted to fix Carol after Claremont salted the Earth, he could never fucking have her get proper revenge on Mystique and Rogue for what they did to her. The former, because she was now an X-Men villain and (as seen in the Brian Reed run, where Reed was explicitly banned from using Mystique until the very final issue of the run) off limits to the Avengers team due to Marvel constantly flipping back and forth on Mystique being a hero or villain depending on writer whims, to Rogue being infinitely more popular and so enshrined into fans consciousness as a hero thanks to the cartoon and the Claremont run, that even if the X-Men editors DID want to turn Rogue back into a villain, fans would scream bloody murder.

And hell, going back to the infamous "Avengers Disassembled" storyline; the whole fucking thing actually would have made actual god-damn sense had Bendis used Carol as the traitor, not Wanda. And kind of would have made a more perfect way to bring shit full-circle, given that Busiek's run brought Carol back into the Avengers orbit.

The ruination of Carol Danvers is one of those things that should be taught as what not to do with a character and a warning to future writers of how to render a character radioactive.

Not directly, but, the sum-total of the Democrats did denounce the peons derailing the plans of poor, innocent, billionaire, short-selling hedge fund managers over GameStonk, and immediately demanded new laws to make it impossible to trade stocks if you were a hayseed or GamerGater because you won't do it in "good faith" or whatever... the message was loud and clear.

"Ordinary" people can't be trusted with the free market, they're either too stupid to know how it works or malicious out to derail the money-making machine that is Wall Street investment firms, because either outcome means DNC donations from same are imperiled...

They never said it, but you can bet any random Democrat would be against crypto for the same reason: an "unregulated" thing that's being overtaken by racists, sexists, trolls, alt-righters, etc and it must be denied to them (and anyone else in their lowly tax-bracket) to save the integrity of the money-printing machin..... er.... .economy.

And it's Bobby we're talking about.... if he knows in his heart of heart it's true, that's all that matters. Evidence on record be damned.

I'll add this as to why the DNC's Wall Street overlords don't like Bit Coin/Crypto; they didn't invent it and can't control it and will inevitably want Bit Coin/Crypto banned the second they create their own government backed, Wall Street controlled Crypto Currency that Wall Street and the banking elites control 100% (see Mr Robot; where after Elliot and Darlene's Fight Club stolen plan to "erase the debt" ends up crashing the economy instead, corporate America rushes out to create a new crypto currency to try and salvage shit with E-Coin, the crypto-currency of megacorp E/Evilcorp ending up winning official status as the default, officially recognized federally backed crypto currency of the United States)

I'm more upset they gave Iron-Man everything he ever wanted and took it away so they could make Captain America look like Joe Biden.

Did you watch the fucking movie? They explicitly rule out simply going back in time and stopping the snap, solely because Tony got Pepper pregnant and ONLY got her pregnant because the Snap broke him mentally to the point that he retired as Iron Man and married Pepper at long last, let alone get her pregnant on purpose and he REFUSED to erase the last five years of pain and sorrow because if they did? Tony would never have reached the lowest point mentally that would result in him agreeing to marriage, let alone fatherhood.

Because if the Snap never happened? Tony would CONTINUE to string Pepper along refusing to marry her and damn sure make it so that he never knocked her up.

TL;DR Tony is responsible for all of the misery of the world and the horrors that befell everyone who got snapped coming back to nothing but ruined lives and abject poverty, because he wanted his daughter to continue to exist; a daughter who at the same time, he would damn sure would not be allowed to exist in a world where the Snap never happened.

This is also probably WHY Strange never told anyone the details of the timeline he found where Thanos lost: because Tony's selfishness and narcissism most likely kept the Avengers from reversing the snap and Strange explicitly chose to bring about the timeline where Tony ends up dying as a result of his selfish decision and Strange, knowing this about Tony, explicitly steered shit towards the timeline where Tony died for being a shitstain.

I agree. While I do think Thanos and his motioves are the weakest link in the Marvel movies, they can be easly overlooked, more so with the whole big fights showdowns and all that, and it is unrealistic to expect a 1 to 1 adaptaion from the comics to the movies in the same way anime does to the mangas (for the most part, till they run out of manga in case of the big series).

Closest thing we got was watchmen, and they couldn't even deliver on the giant octopus.

Still, I think it is a bit of shame how far the movies diverged from the comics, if there was any real love to bring comics to movies, there could have been a better way.



That Green Lantern movie sucked, but not because we couldn't understand Hammond's motivation: shitty beta male loser, resentful of he doesn't have, angry at what others have, but without the willpower to achieve something on his own, quietly blaming everyone else for his misfortunes. And once this person gets a taste of power, it corrupts them in no time, such is their eagerness to resort violence against those who have "wronged him", a lot of the time out of petty jealousy.

There are a tons of characters like that. Fuck, Akira's Tetsuo is pretty much the epidome of this character.

This sort of characterization is pretty cut and dry, either Mr. Professional Moviecritic doesn't grasp the basics of writing, or seeing Hammond cutting too close to home to the fat, lonely, job ender, frustated speaker, he lashed out in a petty and resentfull rant that sorta proves the point of Hammond's character.

The funny thing about Hector Hammond is that in his early Silver Age stories, Hector is a very attractive, mustachioed lothario who uses pseudo science parlor tricks to scam wealthy elites of money while fucking 10/10 wealthy women who swoon over his good looks and aura of being the total package of brains and handsomeness.

It wasn't until a couple of stories into the character's existence that he was turned into an oversized head/small body type freak with psychic powers. And IIRC, that happened mainly due to Hector falling in with another alien villain who was searching for immortality. And even then, a big part of his hate boner for Hal Jordan was that he was a jealous as fuck former Chad who was pissed off that another Chad like Hal Jordon, wasn't a freak like him and the fact that Hal was also bedding Carol Ferris (who Hector was successfully seduced and later, in an Englehart GL story, explicitly stated that he was fucking before Hal outed him as a con man and caused Carol to dump him).

It wasn't until Geoff Johns came along that Johns retconned Hector as being an incel/kissless virgin and someone who was explicitly jealous of Hal being a Chad and going so far as to mindrape Hal so he could steal/vicariously relive Hal's memories of his various sexual conquests.

Silver/Bronze Age Hector Hammond was an interesting villain in the form of a male version of the "former attractive woman who is a horrible person getting by solely on her looks who got disfigured/made ugly and who now arches a heroine purely out of jealously of the heroine being attractive" trope. Incel Hector Hammond is just boring and doesn't have the extra level of "it's personal" malice that comes from Hector having fucked Hal's girlfriend and having Carol so wrapped around his lothario finger that he would have gotten her wealth if not for Hal outing him being a criminal.

I agree. While I do think Thanos and his motioves are the weakest link in the Marvel movies, they can be easly overlooked, more so with the whole big fights showdowns and all that, and it is unrealistic to expect a 1 to 1 adaptaion from the comics to the movies in the same way anime does to the mangas (for the most part, till they run out of manga in case of the big series).

Closest thing we got was watchmen, and they couldn't even deliver on the giant octopus.

Still, I think it is a bit of shame how far the movies diverged from the comics, if there was any real love to bring comics to movies, there could have been a better way.



That Green Lantern movie sucked, but not because we couldn't understand Hammond's motivation: shitty beta male loser, resentful of he doesn't have, angry at what others have, but without the willpower to achieve something on his own, quietly blaming everyone else for his misfortunes. And once this person gets a taste of power, it corrupts them in no time, such is their eagerness to resort violence against those who have "wronged him", a lot of the time out of petty jealousy.

There are a tons of characters like that. Fuck, Akira's Tetsuo is pretty much the epidome of this character.

This sort of characterization is pretty cut and dry, either Mr. Professional Moviecritic doesn't grasp the basics of writing, or seeing Hammond cutting too close to home to the fat, lonely, job ender, frustated speaker, he lashed out in a petty and resentfull rant that sorta proves the point of Hammond's character.

The funny thing about Hector Hammond is that in his early Silver Age stories, Hector is a very attractive, mustachioed lothario who uses pseudo science parlor tricks to scam wealthy elites of money while fucking 10/10 wealthy women who swoon over his good looks and aura of being the total package of brains and handsomeness.

It wasn't until a couple of stories into the character's existence that he was turned into an oversized head/small body type freak with psychic powers. And IIRC, that happened mainly due to Hector falling in with another alien villain who was searching for immortality. And even then, a big part of his hate boner for Hal Jordan was that he was a jealous as fuck former Chad who was pissed off that another Chad like Hal Jordon, wasn't a freak like him and the fact that Hal was also bedding Carol Ferris (who Hector was successfully seduced and later, in an Englehart GL story, explicitly stated that he was fucking before Hal outed him as a con man and caused Carol to dump him).

It wasn't until Geoff Johns came along that Johns retconned Hector as being an incel/kissless virgin and someone who was explicitly jealous of Hal being a Chad and going so far as to mindrape Hal so he could steal/vicariously relive Hal's memories of his various sexual conquests.

Silver/Bronze Age Hector Hammond was an interesting villain in the form of a male version of the "former attractive person who got disfigured/made ugly and who now arches a hero purely out of jealously of the hero being attractive" trope. Incel Hector Hammond is just boring and doesn't have the extra level of "it's personal" malice that comes from Hector having fucked Hal's girlfriend and having Carol so wrapped around his lothario finger that he would have gotten her wealth if not for Hal outing him being a criminal.

Oh trust me, my meatbag buddies and I have spent many a late evening debating the finer points of accuracy vs "spirit" in adaptions. (heck I'm torn on the giant octopus in both the source & movie)

One of the reasons I think comics will last in some form as a medium for many, many years is that they are, in a way, pretty much movies with no budget limits on them. (probably why Bob loves them so much) I think there's an interesting debate to be had - especially as movie effects grow more sophisticated - as to whether movies should try for 1 to 1 adaption, or should work to better highlight the divergence between the mediums. I'll admit, I'm still agnostic on the question.

Not only that but he was on about how Hal Jordan is "just like Hammond" in getting undeserved power (never mind the ring's "seeking" function), so in Bob's mind, Hal Jordan - being the jock - should have been the evil one with the loser beta-nerd the hero. He can't stand one of his precious movies preaching heresy. (oh and ryan reynolds? perfect as deadpool - could do a decent guy gardner, is not hal jordan)

I mean I can just imagine his reaction if say... Firestorm was adapted as in the original 70s comic, it was not just a jock, but the college quarterback who gained the superpowers and it was the high school nerd/valedictorian who bullied him and eventually turned to supervillainy. Heck not only that, but the other main character, Professor Stein, a scientist who is a thinker working towards the superior future, is actually just a little bit of a jerk and in danger of becoming a villain himself UNTIL it is being around the quarterback that pulls Stein onto the straight and narrow. Bob probably would have gone on a jihad! (for a whole 30 feet before running out of breath)

(Hm I may have to go pull out my old comics and give them a re-read. There may be even more bob-parallels than I remember.)

I bought the entire Fury of Firestorm run a couple of years ago. The Conway issues (around #1-53 plus the original aborted ongoing and the flash back-ups; the last of which I'm still trying to track down) are interesting in that it's basically Conway deconstructing/reconstructing the mythos of Spider-Man, who Conway wrote as the first post-Lee writer on the title.

But the bully turning into a supervillain was entirely John Ostrander's doing. Conway quit the book under mysterious circumstances (which he refuses to talk about to this day) and Ostrander put on the book. Ostrander had no interest in writing a Peter Parker-style young adult hero and turned it into a bizarre mishmatch of international intrigue and poor man's rip off of the Alan Moore Swamp Thing run with Firestorm as a fire elemental. And the "intellectual bully" character didn't become a proper super-villain in Firestorm (he simply got arrested when he tampered with Ronnie's football helmet, which ended up being worn by another player who ended up crippled from the neck down due to the tampering; which was the only story Ostrander told with the Conway supporting cast before dumping them without any follow-up). The guy didn't become a proper super-villain until the Ostrander Suicide Squad run, where he became the new Thinker and fought Barbara "Batgirl/Oracle" Gordon for a two part story and basically the template for all future media adaptations of the character (an evil malcontent nerd who put computer parts into his brain to make him smarter).

 

[DeeDee Megadoodoo]

I've always thought that Captain marvel in her modern conception in both comics and film is malformed, she's obviously a product of a series of corporate comitee decisions. Effectively she's trying to be Marvels Superman but pretty much everything about her feels artificial rather than developed and this cultivates resentment due to bad writting. She's bassically poochie.

The current Captain Marvel is a snapshot of the brain of Hillary fans in 2016, before she lost. I believe that's when this current version really congealed. The angry, "it's Her turn" attitude, the hair, the constant, phony assurances that she's "Earth's Favorite Superhero"... she's basically Marvel's personification of the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign.

 

[Flexo]

I bought the entire Fury of Firestorm run a couple of years ago. The Conway issues (around #1-53 plus the original aborted ongoing and the flash back-ups; the last of which I'm still trying to track down) are interesting in that it's basically Conway deconstructing/reconstructing the mythos of Spider-Man, who Conway wrote as the first post-Lee writer on the title.

But the bully turning into a supervillain was entirely John Ostrander's doing. Conway quit the book under mysterious circumstances (which he refuses to talk about to this day) and Ostrander put on the book. Ostrander had no interest in writing a Peter Parker-style young adult hero and turned it into a bizarre mishmatch of international intrigue and poor man's rip off of the Alan Moore Swamp Thing run with Firestorm as a fire elemental. And the "intellectual bully" character didn't become a proper super-villain in Firestorm (he simply got arrested when he tampered with Ronnie's football helmet, which ended up being worn by another player who ended up crippled from the neck down due to the tampering; which was the only story Ostrander told with the Conway supporting cast before dumping them without any follow-up). The guy didn't become a proper super-villain until the Ostrander Suicide Squad run, where he became the new Thinker and fought Barbara "Batgirl/Oracle" Gordon for a two part story and basically the template for all future media adaptations of the character (an evil malcontent nerd who put computer parts into his brain to make him smarter).

I have most of those issues. PM me which ones you need I might find some.

When Firestorm got rebooted the first time (and boy is Jason and interesting case study on "replacement") they brought back Carmichael as the villain for Ronnie's last hurrah.

Though maybe not a "proper" supervillain, sabotaging someone's football helmet so they could die or be paralyzed is still pretty damn villainous in my book.

 

[Donuteater]

When the films were announced doesn't mean much when it's public knowledge that Endgame was being rewritten until the last minute, mostly because Infinity War left the series so that there was no way to do a satisfying sequel. Captain Marvels own film probably got a decent production cycle, but her place in the MCU sure didn't. You could remove her from Endgame and nothing at all would change, which is emblematic of how little thought they put into her character. Most other characters had some sort of relationship, activity or development they went through over the film but I couldn't tell you a damn thing about what she did aside from say stopping the guy who killed half the universe was below her.

Hey, she was vital to the plot! That bit where it looks like she's going to fuck spiderman is incredibly important to the movie.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

Bob decided to pick a fight with writer Scott Greer and got humiliated.

 

[Red Hood]

They live this deranged fantasy of somehow being persecuted by society while being largely accepted and having their ideas and talking points being parroted by mainstream media, corporations and celebrities.

This is why I always laughed at people that called themselves "Resistance" because oh no, Trump got elected. Actual resistance movements faced death squads and operated clandestine networks of sabotage. Somehow tweeting on a public platform doesn't seem like much of a resistance movement, no matter how much the press and TDS sufferers screeched about it.

 

[Jazz never died!]

The Russos are Team Olsen and don't like Brie Larsen.

Also, they probably had a bit of an eye towards merchandise: Hulk and Iron Man wielding the gauntlet made more sense as far as Hulk's version of the gauntlet justifies making the gauntlet oversized prop-wise, and the idea of doing a version of Iron Man with the gauntlet (same with Hulk).


To be more exact: Marvel/Disney want a version of Wonder Woman in the movies but are hamstringed by the fact that all of the popular female Marvel characters are locked up by Fox (IE Rogue, Storm, Marvel Girl, Invisible Woman), have convoluted rights issues combined with editorial and the top writers hating said character's guts (Scarlet Witch), or in the case of She-Hulk, despised even worse by the Hollywood elites for being "Hulk in drag".

Adding to this, while the movies elevated Black Widow to A-List character status, in the comics she has always been strictly D-List and attempts to capitalize on her movie popularity has failed in that she can't hold a series. Also, the issues with Ike not wanting to do a Black Widow film and blocking it for the longest time.

So Carol Danvers got the position due to default BUT got fucked over and then some by Marvel editorial: Kelly Sue DeConnick infamously mindwiped Carol a SECOND TIME at the start of her run literally so she could have the justification to ignore ALL previous Carol stories and portrayals so she and she alone would get "credit" for what got made into the movies. Furthermore, the disastrous visual revamp as Carol's bikini costume is pretty damn iconic and was replaced with a full body catsuit that, along with the dyke haircut and SJW artists drawing her flat chested and drawing her explicitly in a masculine fashion face-wise, killed the character's sex appeal which was a huge deal breaker because then you lose the entire male audience that is required if you fucking want a character to be a huge hit.

Adding to this, let's be frank: pre-DeConnick rape, Carol's chief claim to fame was that of an eternal victim. That was why fans liked her, in that it was sympathy of repeatedly being fucked over. This was 100% the fault of Chris Claremont, who in his own way, defiled Carol as badly as DeConnick did.

The Marcus storyline was bad, but Carol was 100% salvagable if it was handled by someone who cared to address it. Kang shows up out of the blue, claiming that his empire is under siege from his future self's son and Ms Marvel and finds out that the Avengers are under mind control that made them not wanting to get involved; Kang breaks the mind control and the Avengers didn't let Carol run off with her rapist who had used mind control on her; they were also under mind control which is why they didn't do or say anything. Kang and the Avengers go rescue Kang's kingdom, beat Marcus, and Carol is freed from her mind control and kills Marcus. Afterwords, Carol finds out that the Avengers were under the same mind control spell (so no hard feelings) and that she returns to Earth with the Avengers but goes her separate ways from them. And having the Avengers effectively turn a blind eye towards Carol killing Marcus due to the circumstances.

Claremont instead pretty much doubled down on the rape being bad AND WORSE, sacrificed Carol to get over Rogue as a big bad, which he promptly pissed away when he got bored one day and decided to make Rogue a good guy because you know, why the fuck not? This was especially kind of galling, as Claremont had a huge storyline planned for Carol's book (which he was writing when it was canceled) and still insisted that he wanted to tell it (but never did, due to Shooter's "no gays" ban and Claremont insisting that he portray Destiny and Mystique as gay in said storyline). Storyline plans he could have still done in UXM had he not fucking rendered Carol radioactive from having her lose her powers and memories to Rogue and shipping her off into outer space.

Even Kurt Busiek, who explicitly chose to use Carol as a major figure in his Avengers and Iron Man runs, couldn't help but to fuck shit up with Carol: giving her a drinking problem that seemed to reflect the meta issue that even if he wanted to fix Carol after Claremont salted the Earth, he could never fucking have her get proper revenge on Mystique and Rogue for what they did to her. The former, because she was now an X-Men villain and (as seen in the Brian Reed run, where Reed was explicitly banned from using Mystique until the very final issue of the run) off limits to the Avengers team due to Marvel constantly flipping back and forth on Mystique being a hero or villain depending on writer whims, to Rogue being infinitely more popular and so enshrined into fans consciousness as a hero thanks to the cartoon and the Claremont run, that even if the X-Men editors DID want to turn Rogue back into a villain, fans would scream bloody murder.

And hell, going back to the infamous "Avengers Disassembled" storyline; the whole fucking thing actually would have made actual god-damn sense had Bendis used Carol as the traitor, not Wanda. And kind of would have made a more perfect way to bring shit full-circle, given that Busiek's run brought Carol back into the Avengers orbit.

The ruination of Carol Danvers is one of those things that should be taught as what not to do with a character and a warning to future writers of how to render a character radioactive.

Miss Marvel is iconic for her swimsuit with a sash look but her storyline is tragic and any chance for a come back against Rogue and the Avengers is stuffed out because the editorial doesn't want Rogue portrayed as a villian shes too popular and no one wants to see the Avengers as the bad guys despite half the teammembers being assholes who went on the straight and narrow. Then Marvel had the briaght idea to change her character and look because sexism and retconed her to be a major hero despite always being a b-list hero. It bombed numerous times causing multible retcones and revamps and they did all of this so the movies can have a popular female character despite having the most popular iteration of the Black Widow. We get Miss Marvel out of nowhere at the end of the franchise imo being mega powerfull no one really cares about only to be bitchslaped by Thanos despite being the most powerful in that universe. To bad her movie was mediocre not bad to be interesting and not good enough to be memorable. Although the woke anti wahmen made this forgetable movie more than it is because meh feminism. Now why would Marvel want a forgettable charcter being in their films they wanted a powerfull female character and Fox at the time owned the rights to most of the fan favorites. Funny now that they are all under the same roof and Captain Marvel looks like shes on her way to being forgotten about.

 

[glib]

Did you watch the fucking movie? They explicitly rule out simply going back in time and stopping the snap, solely because Tony got Pepper pregnant and ONLY got her pregnant because the Snap broke him mentally to the point that he retired as Iron Man and married Pepper at long last, let alone get her pregnant on purpose and he REFUSED to erase the last five years of pain and sorrow because if they did? Tony would never have reached the lowest point mentally that would result in him agreeing to marriage, let alone fatherhood.

Because if the Snap never happened? Tony would CONTINUE to string Pepper along refusing to marry her and damn sure make it so that he never knocked her up.

TL;DR Tony is responsible for all of the misery of the world and the horrors that befell everyone who got snapped coming back to nothing but ruined lives and abject poverty, because he wanted his daughter to continue to exist; a daughter who at the same time, he would damn sure would not be allowed to exist in a world where the Snap never happened.

The movie is written by the people who wrote the 3 Captain America movies. The movie is directed by the people who directed the second and third Captain America movies.
Who do you think they favored? Iron Man, or Captain America?

Interesting though, that you think that marrying the person who you keep ending up with is "a low point" and that the reason he got Pepper pregnant was because he was mentally broken. Is that explicitly in the movie? I must've missed that.
I think you missed the point in my stupid biden joke. Tony had a family, he had a company, he had things to live for. Captain America lived out the rest of his life until he was an old man in an entirely different timeline. The movie ends on a funeral note, aka a sad one, instead of a happy one with Tony hugging his daughter and coming home. Instead of having a father this kid is going to have fucking cheeseburgers with his butler. Thats so fucking stupid lol. But yeah, if you disagree I mean thats cool.

This is the kind of movie where a fucking rat running across a panel brings back ant-man, thus saving the day. The hero of the entire saga is a fucking rat. Maybe i'm just a moron and don't get this MCU brilliance.

 

[Bolo]

Adding to this, while the movies elevated Black Widow to A-List character status, in the comics she has always been strictly D-List and attempts to capitalize on her movie popularity has failed in that she can't hold a series. Also, the issues with Ike not wanting to do a Black Widow film and blocking it for the longest time.

So Carol Danvers got the position due to default BUT got fucked over and then some by Marvel editorial: Kelly Sue DeConnick infamously mindwiped Carol a SECOND TIME at the start of her run literally so she could have the justification to ignore ALL previous Carol stories and portrayals so she and she alone would get "credit" for what got made into the movies. Furthermore, the disastrous visual revamp as Carol's bikini costume is pretty damn iconic and was replaced with a full body catsuit that, along with the dyke haircut and SJW artists drawing her flat chested and drawing her explicitly in a masculine fashion face-wise, killed the character's sex appeal which was a huge deal breaker because then you lose the entire male audience that is required if you fucking want a character to be a huge hit.

I still wonder how Marvel managed to fuck up this whole push to make Carol Denvers the new face of Marvel back in the middle 2010's.

it isn't hard to get the logic, even if trying to artificially push a character into popularity has never really worked, Marvel needed a female lead for their movies, you know, get that demo and all that.

What I don't get is Kelly Sue DeConnick herself, why on fuck Marvel gave to her this pivotal character for their movie plans to this woman who barely had any real sucess in writing, working on one offs for marvel and some issues on ghost, a forgotten Dark horse hero. She never even created any new character.

People like to point out that's because Kelly Sue DeConnick is the wife of popular writer Matt "the cuck" Fraction, but even if quirk Matt was popular at the time (heavens knows why, I don't get why people like this cuck, but whatever), he doesn't have the pull to get his wife to write the next big Marvel push, or get her into the Hollywood machine.

When the DeConnick reboot came, I was out of the capeshit game. But such was the buzz that I had to check it out, and it sucked, but in a surprising way for me.

Look, if you want your feminist hero, by the gace of god go you, but why did anyone at Marvel thought the overly combative and downright unpleasent portrait of Carol Denvers was going to win anyone over, more so when Marvel WANTED to win people over. And trust me, the feminist angle was the LEAST of that book's problem.

I can't even blame Kelly Sue DeConnick really, because she isn't the one with the final say, that is to editors, and what is worse, they kept that characterization over the rest of the 2010's. So much so that in the garbage fire that was Civil War 2, Iron Man point blank tells Carol that nobody likes her, and Carol was going nuts imprisoning people over visions from precog.

Man Civil War 2 was shit... it was my first time finnally "getting it" when people talked how much Bendis fell from grace.

but seriously, why not give Carol to anyone else, there are plenty of women writers out there, even fucking Gail Simone would've done a better job, since she hasn't completely lost her mind to twitter back in 2012.

 

[Jazz never died!]

The movie is written by the people who wrote the 3 Captain America movies. The movie is directed by the people who directed the second and third Captain America movies.
Who do you think they favored? Iron Man, or Captain America?

Interesting though, that you think that marrying the person who you keep ending up with is "a low point" and that the reason he got Pepper pregnant was because he was mentally broken. Is that explicitly in the movie? I must've missed that.
I think you missed the point in my stupid biden joke. Tony had a family, he had a company, he had things to live for. Captain America lived out the rest of his life until he was an old man in an entirely different timeline. The movie ends on a funeral note, aka a sad one, instead of a happy one with Tony hugging his daughter and coming home. Instead of having a father this kid is going to have fucking cheeseburgers with his butler. Thats so fucking stupid lol. But yeah, if you disagree I mean thats cool.

This is the kind of movie where a fucking rat running across a panel brings back ant-man, thus saving the day. The hero of the entire saga is a fucking rat. Maybe i'm just a moron and don't get this MCU brilliance.

The mcu isn't brilliant its well made entertainment for the masses and they like it and the only note wothy thing about the saga is they never made a bad film at worst it was boring. Unlike the dcu where it failed after the Justice League sucked and having only one film in that lineup being good causing them to rethink how the films should be more arthouse with your dumb superhero films still thrown in. But hey as a result we got the Joker one of my favorite films of the last decade and a great film that is stand alone. Even at its worst at least it was memorable. But this is what happens when the corp has no faith in the people dirrecting the films even though they let Zach run the direction of the universe after Man of Steel was a decent success. Then last miniate getting him off it after BVS flopped and Zach wanting off to mourn. Even then with Zach back they only produced 4 good films with the rest sucking and while Zach's Justice League is better its still not good. The thing Marvel did right was having a control of the dirrection of where the saga will end up with competant people in charge and dirrectors who knew what they were doing using their strength depending on the films tone.

 

[MirrorNoir]

I still wonder how Marvel managed to fuck up this whole push to make Carol Denvers the new face of Marvel back in the middle 2010's.

it isn't hard to get the logic, even if trying to artificially push a character into popularity has never really worked, Marvel needed a female lead for their movies, you know, get that demo and all that.

What I don't get is Kelly Sue DeConnick herself, why on fuck Marvel gave to her this pivotal character for their movie plans to this woman who barely had any real sucess in writing, working on one offs for marvel and some issues on ghost, a forgotten Dark horse hero. She never even created any new character.

People like to point out that's because Kelly Sue DeConnick is the wife of popular writer Matt "the cuck" Fraction, but even if quirk Matt was popular at the time (heavens knows why, I don't get why people like this cuck, but whatever), he doesn't have the pull to get his wife to write the next big Marvel push, or get her into the Hollywood machine.

When the DeConnick reboot came, I was out of the capeshit game. But such was the buzz that I had to check it out, and it sucked, but in a surprising way for me.

Look, if you want your feminist hero, by the gace of god go you, but why did anyone at Marvel thought the overly combative and downright unpleasent portrait of Carol Denvers was going to win anyone over, more so when Marvel WANTED to win people over. And trust me, the feminist angle was the LEAST of that book's problem.

I can't even blame Kelly Sue DeConnick really, because she isn't the one with the final say, that is to editors, and what is worse, they kept that characterization over the rest of the 2010's. So much so that in the garbage fire that was Civil War 2, Iron Man point blank tells Carol that nobody likes her, and Carol was going nuts imprisoning people over visions from precog.

Man Civil War 2 was shit... it was my first time finnally "getting it" when people talked how much Bendis fell from grace.

but seriously, why not give Carol to anyone else, there are plenty of women writers out there, even fucking Gail Simone would've done a better job, since she hasn't completely lost her mind to twitter back in 2012.

DeConnick's entire career is based off her being Matt Fraction's wife and nepotism, along with her being a devotee of Warren Ellis* and basically being schooled personally by Ellis on how to create an online cult of personality that will stan you hard AND attack anyone who calls you out on your asshole behavior and lack of talent.

Fraction was super popular and had a popular X-Men run and an Iron Man run under his belt that pandered hard for people who hated Civil War and the shit Tony did, even if his run ended with Stark explicitly still refusing to take any blame for the bad shit that he did and Fraction himself admitting that he thought Stark did nothing wrong and Cap was the one in the wrong and was just pandering to the anti-Tony fans for sales.

In particular, her recent run on at DC was part of a contrived scheme by her and Andy Khouri (who abused his position at DC as an editor to run a blacklist barring anyone conservative or supporting Comicsgate from getting work there during his time as editor and hired a ton of sexual predators, along with Zoe fucking Quinn) to get Fraction to sign with DC after Fraction famously declared he was "retiring" from Big Two comics in order to do indie shit at Image and get a TV/movie deal.

Fraction however didn't sign until after Khouri found his ass on the chopping block after him filling Vertigo with sexual predators pretty much scorched earth the entire Vertigo brand and caused TPTB to kill the entire line and branding. And even then, he only did a Jimmy Olsen mini-series and both DeConnick and Khouri ended up getting fired.

Adding to this, DeConnick herself also admitted in a rare moment of her admitting how much she sucked and how much her "Carol Corps" cult of fangirls who worship her suck, when she once stated upfront that self-describing "Carol Corps" members only bought her first TPB on Captain Marvel and even told her to her face that they had no intention of buying the later volumes, since "they don't like comics". Meaning they bought her first Carol trade purely to virtue signal and have it be the token comic on their bookcase shelf for fake nerd girl "street cred".

I'm sure Marvel would hire her back in a heartbeat damn the fans, especially if they could get a deal in play ala her deal with Khouri that hiring her would guarantee that Matt did capebooks again. Though part of me fully expects that she's currently trying her hardest to get Bitch Planet fast tracked as a TV show or movie, as she and Matt were bragging a while back that they got a production deal with a major studio that covers their collective indie output. Bitch Planet, like Matt's Sex Criminals, is clearly a TV show pitch disguised as a comic and I'm sure she is doubling down on trying to get into TV work or movies, now that she doesn't have Ellis to fall back on given that she was forced to denounce and disown/disavow Ellis after his shitty behavior finally caught up to him and got him brought down.

*It's been widely rumored, since the early 00s, that DeConnick either fucked Ellis outright or just engaged in cyber/webcam sex with Ellis to try and get into the comic industry and that she only hooked up with and married Matt Fraction, when she decided that fucking/marrying Fraction would expedite things for her a lot faster due to Matt being a rising star and enough of a simp that she could bully him into extorting Marvel into giving her work if they wanted Fraction to write stuff for them.

 

[Red Hood]

DeConnick's entire career is based off her being Matt Fraction's wife and nepotism, along with her being a devotee of Warren Ellis* and basically being schooled personally by Ellis on how to create an online cult of personality that will stan you hard AND attack anyone who calls you out on your asshole behavior and lack of talent.

Fraction was super popular and had a popular X-Men run and an Iron Man run under his belt that pandered hard for people who hated Civil War and the shit Tony did, even if his run ended with Stark explicitly still refusing to take any blame for the bad shit that he did and Fraction himself admitting that he thought Stark did nothing wrong and Cap was the one in the wrong and was just pandering to the anti-Tony fans for sales.

In particular, her recent run on at DC was part of a contrived scheme by her and Andy Khouri (who abused his position at DC as an editor to run a blacklist barring anyone conservative or supporting Comicsgate from getting work there during his time as editor and hired a ton of sexual predators, along with Zoe fucking Quinn) to get Fraction to sign with DC after Fraction famously declared he was "retiring" from Big Two comics in order to do indie shit at Image and get a TV/movie deal.

Fraction however didn't sign until after Khouri found his ass on the chopping block after him filling Vertigo with sexual predators pretty much scorched earth the entire Vertigo brand and caused TPTB to kill the entire line and branding. And even then, he only did a Jimmy Olsen mini-series and both DeConnick and Khouri ended up getting fired.

Adding to this, DeConnick herself also admitted in a rare moment of her admitting how much she sucked and how much her "Carol Corps" cult of fangirls who worship her suck, when she once stated upfront that self-describing "Carol Corps" members only bought her first TPB on Captain Marvel and even told her to her face that they had no intention of buying the later volumes, since "they don't like comics". Meaning they bought her first Carol trade purely to virtue signal and have it be the token comic on their bookcase shelf for fake nerd girl "street cred".

I'm sure Marvel would hire her back in a heartbeat damn the fans, especially if they could get a deal in play ala her deal with Khouri that hiring her would guarantee that Matt did capebooks again. Though part of me fully expects that she's currently trying her hardest to get Bitch Planet fast tracked as a TV show or movie, as she and Matt were bragging a while back that they got a production deal with a major studio that covers their collective indie output. Bitch Planet, like Matt's Sex Criminals, is clearly a TV show pitch disguised as a comic and I'm sure she is doubling down on trying to get into TV work or movies, now that she doesn't have Ellis to fall back on given that she was forced to denounce and disown/disavow Ellis after his shitty behavior finally caught up to him and got him brought down.

*It's been widely rumored, since the early 00s, that DeConnick either fucked Ellis outright or just engaged in cyber/webcam sex with Ellis to try and get into the comic industry and that she only hooked up with and married Matt Fraction, when she decided that fucking/marrying Fraction would expedite things for her a lot faster due to Matt being a rising star and enough of a simp that she could bully him into extorting Marvel into giving her work if they wanted Fraction to write stuff for them.

I mean considering Ellis has more or less admitted to sleeping with fangirls...yeah that sounds 100 percent accurate. Of all the industries to sleep your way into though...Jeez, why comics? Sad. The pay isn't great unless you do creator-owned work that happens to really take off or get a multimedia deal like Spawn or Hellboy.

On a side note comics as TV/movie treatments is increasingly common, especially since Kirkman had a huge hit with Walking Dead.

 

[Boston Brand]

DeConnick's entire career is based off her being Matt Fraction's wife and nepotism, along with her being a devotee of Warren Ellis* and basically being schooled personally by Ellis on how to create an online cult of personality that will stan you hard AND attack anyone who calls you out on your asshole behavior and lack of talent.

Fraction was super popular and had a popular X-Men run and an Iron Man run under his belt that pandered hard for people who hated Civil War and the shit Tony did, even if his run ended with Stark explicitly still refusing to take any blame for the bad shit that he did and Fraction himself admitting that he thought Stark did nothing wrong and Cap was the one in the wrong and was just pandering to the anti-Tony fans for sales.

In particular, her recent run on at DC was part of a contrived scheme by her and Andy Khouri (who abused his position at DC as an editor to run a blacklist barring anyone conservative or supporting Comicsgate from getting work there during his time as editor and hired a ton of sexual predators, along with Zoe fucking Quinn) to get Fraction to sign with DC after Fraction famously declared he was "retiring" from Big Two comics in order to do indie shit at Image and get a TV/movie deal.

Fraction however didn't sign until after Khouri found his ass on the chopping block after him filling Vertigo with sexual predators pretty much scorched earth the entire Vertigo brand and caused TPTB to kill the entire line and branding. And even then, he only did a Jimmy Olsen mini-series and both DeConnick and Khouri ended up getting fired.

Adding to this, DeConnick herself also admitted in a rare moment of her admitting how much she sucked and how much her "Carol Corps" cult of fangirls who worship her suck, when she once stated upfront that self-describing "Carol Corps" members only bought her first TPB on Captain Marvel and even told her to her face that they had no intention of buying the later volumes, since "they don't like comics". Meaning they bought her first Carol trade purely to virtue signal and have it be the token comic on their bookcase shelf for fake nerd girl "street cred".

I'm sure Marvel would hire her back in a heartbeat damn the fans, especially if they could get a deal in play ala her deal with Khouri that hiring her would guarantee that Matt did capebooks again. Though part of me fully expects that she's currently trying her hardest to get Bitch Planet fast tracked as a TV show or movie, as she and Matt were bragging a while back that they got a production deal with a major studio that covers their collective indie output. Bitch Planet, like Matt's Sex Criminals, is clearly a TV show pitch disguised as a comic and I'm sure she is doubling down on trying to get into TV work or movies, now that she doesn't have Ellis to fall back on given that she was forced to denounce and disown/disavow Ellis after his shitty behavior finally caught up to him and got him brought down.

*It's been widely rumored, since the early 00s, that DeConnick either fucked Ellis outright or just engaged in cyber/webcam sex with Ellis to try and get into the comic industry and that she only hooked up with and married Matt Fraction, when she decided that fucking/marrying Fraction would expedite things for her a lot faster due to Matt being a rising star and enough of a simp that she could bully him into extorting Marvel into giving her work if they wanted Fraction to write stuff for them.

That explains so much... as awful as her run of Aquaman was, bad enough it got Aquaman canceled for the first time in a decade, at least it got DC to kick her out on her ass.

Shame DC might be past the point of no return.

 

[Red Hood]

That explains so much... as awful as her run of Aquaman was, bad enough it got Aquaman canceled for the first time in a decade, at least it got DC to kick her out on her ass.

To kinda quote JustSomeGuy: "When you want to kill a series, you hire Kelly Sue DeConnick. You don't have to cancel the book, it cancels itself."

 

[Bolo]

DeConnick's entire career is based off her being Matt Fraction's wife and nepotism, along with her being a devotee of Warren Ellis* and basically being schooled personally by Ellis on how to create an online cult of personality that will stan you hard AND attack anyone who calls you out on your asshole behavior and lack of talent.

Fraction was super popular and had a popular X-Men run and an Iron Man run under his belt that pandered hard for people who hated Civil War and the shit Tony did, even if his run ended with Stark explicitly still refusing to take any blame for the bad shit that he did and Fraction himself admitting that he thought Stark did nothing wrong and Cap was the one in the wrong and was just pandering to the anti-Tony fans for sales.

In particular, her recent run on at DC was part of a contrived scheme by her and Andy Khouri (who abused his position at DC as an editor to run a blacklist barring anyone conservative or supporting Comicsgate from getting work there during his time as editor and hired a ton of sexual predators, along with Zoe fucking Quinn) to get Fraction to sign with DC after Fraction famously declared he was "retiring" from Big Two comics in order to do indie shit at Image and get a TV/movie deal.

Fraction however didn't sign until after Khouri found his ass on the chopping block after him filling Vertigo with sexual predators pretty much scorched earth the entire Vertigo brand and caused TPTB to kill the entire line and branding. And even then, he only did a Jimmy Olsen mini-series and both DeConnick and Khouri ended up getting fired.

Adding to this, DeConnick herself also admitted in a rare moment of her admitting how much she sucked and how much her "Carol Corps" cult of fangirls who worship her suck, when she once stated upfront that self-describing "Carol Corps" members only bought her first TPB on Captain Marvel and even told her to her face that they had no intention of buying the later volumes, since "they don't like comics". Meaning they bought her first Carol trade purely to virtue signal and have it be the token comic on their bookcase shelf for fake nerd girl "street cred".

I'm sure Marvel would hire her back in a heartbeat damn the fans, especially if they could get a deal in play ala her deal with Khouri that hiring her would guarantee that Matt did capebooks again. Though part of me fully expects that she's currently trying her hardest to get Bitch Planet fast tracked as a TV show or movie, as she and Matt were bragging a while back that they got a production deal with a major studio that covers their collective indie output. Bitch Planet, like Matt's Sex Criminals, is clearly a TV show pitch disguised as a comic and I'm sure she is doubling down on trying to get into TV work or movies, now that she doesn't have Ellis to fall back on given that she was forced to denounce and disown/disavow Ellis after his shitty behavior finally caught up to him and got him brought down.

*It's been widely rumored, since the early 00s, that DeConnick either fucked Ellis outright or just engaged in cyber/webcam sex with Ellis to try and get into the comic industry and that she only hooked up with and married Matt Fraction, when she decided that fucking/marrying Fraction would expedite things for her a lot faster due to Matt being a rising star and enough of a simp that she could bully him into extorting Marvel into giving her work if they wanted Fraction to write stuff for them.

Wasn't Fraction's run on the X-men the most hated one, second only to Chuck austen?

I know he had a popular sting with Hawkeye, which I haven't read, but I can't possibly imagine Faction having any real pull anymore, his "hey days" seem behind him. Maybe he can get Sex Criminals to be a streming series, a middle budget one like Umbrella Academy.

But Sex Criminals sorta sucks as well. it starts off with a fun premise, but it whimpers at the end, I can see it getting picked on, but I can't see it rising about the swamp that is streaming services.

Now if Bitch Planet gets turned into a series, that will be impressive, so much that I want to see it happening.

It has been an interesting age in American comics now, when writers gave up on comics and now want to be hollywood no matter what. It is a bit of a sad show, like what happened to Mags Visaggio, but their very up front desperation for sucess on wanting a TV show is far more entertaining than anything that they have written recently.

 

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Bob decided to pick a fight with writer Scott Greer and got humiliated.
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always good seeing movieblob getting bloodied. he probably is jacking off to that chink with bolt ons this very second mutting to himself how he totally destroyed this dude by not responding and defending hot dog lady honor

 

[MirrorNoir]

Wasn't Fraction's run on the X-men the most hated one, second only to Chuck austen?

I know he had a popular sting with Hawkeye, which I haven't read, but I can't possibly imagine Faction having any real pull anymore, his "hey days" seem behind him. Maybe he can get Sex Criminals to be a streming series, a middle budget one like Umbrella Academy.

But Sex Criminals sorta sucks as well. it starts off with a fun premise, but it whimpers at the end, I can see it getting picked on, but I can't see it rising about the swamp that is streaming services.

Now if Bitch Planet gets turned into a series, that will be impressive, so much that I want to see it happening.

It has been an interesting age in American comics now, when writers gave up on comics and now want to be hollywood no matter what. It is a bit of a sad show, like what happened to Mags Visaggio, but their very up front desperation for sucess on wanting a TV show is far more entertaining than anything that they have written recently.

Fraction's X-Men run is quite loved and the main complaint from his run was his hiring Greg Land, who the SJW nazis hate because he draws sexy women unapologetically. Under Fraction, UXM because the flagship X-Book for the first time since 1991 and more to the point, he brought back a lot of classic villains including Magneto, Empath, Scalphunter, and long forgotten characters like Adam X and Madison Jeffries.

Also, in general the most hated X-Men runs that have eclipsed the Austen runs are the Gillen run (as Gillen infamously pushed Scott into full on Nazi Supremacist territory), the Bendis run, and collectively the entire post-Secret Wars 5 runs that ran until the Rosenbaum and Hickman runs.

Sadly, Hawkeye is one of the books where the sole appeal was on the artist as Fraction's writing was widely reviled but Fraction's fanboys like to claim it was his writing that sold the book, even though he ruined Clint badly with it. Also the less said about his involvement in trying to fuck over Heinberg the better or his disastrous Fantastic Four run, the later of which say him a widely reviled Fantastic Four and basically allowing Mike Allred (who was the artist on Future Foundation) to ghostwrite said Future Foundation book due to Fraction hating Scott Lang and trying to rekill him in Defenders solely to help his friend Bendis out due to Bendis being butt-hurt over Heinberg finally forcing Marvel to let him undo Lang's death.

That said, his Iron Man and X-Men run have granted him a lot of rose tinted lenses in terms of people wanting him back and his recent Jimmy Olsen mini-series was a decent return to form given his dire last couple of years worth of writing and his final couple of Marvel projects.

I mean considering Ellis has more or less admitted to sleeping with fangirls...yeah that sounds 100 percent accurate. Of all the industries to sleep your way into though...Jeez, why comics? Sad. The pay isn't great unless you do creator-owned work that happens to really take off or get a multimedia deal like Spawn or Hellboy.

On a side note comics as TV/movie treatments is increasingly common, especially since Kirkman had a huge hit with Walking Dead.

Comics is one of the lowest rungs on the entertainment field ladder, just under writing for video games in terms of bottom of the barrel career moves if you want to write professionally for a living. And the general idea of a lot of these failed screenwriters and novelists is that you do 3-5 years writing for the Big Two and then use your fame to pivot to creator owned shit, which in theory leads to a TV and movie deal and means you finally make it in hollywood.