Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[make_it_so]

>Universal Political Themes
>Anything Political cannot be universal
I hope Bob's brain just shit itself like mine did trying to understand the logic behind what he said. His head missed/misread that by miles. If not, what a freaking psued.

There is no thinking in Bob's twitter takes - words come and he lets his logorrhea go to work.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Movie: Has one political or philosophical theme that provides social commentary but isn't the main focus.
Remake of Movie: Ignores everything about the movie to just focus on this one theme that was barely a thing.
Diabeeto: WOW THIS MOVIE HAS BEEN ALWAYS ABOUT [THEME]! YOU STUPID NERDS WON'T UNDERSTAND THE ADVANCED META NARRATIVE THIS MOVIE WILL SPEAK OF!

 

[Jack Awful]

>Universal Political Themes
>Anything Political cannot be universal
I hope Bob's brain just shit itself like mine did trying to understand the logic behind what he said. His head missed/misread that by miles. If not, what a freaking psued.

I miss when we could have movies that touched on political themes that actually served the story and wasn't blatantly shoved down our throats.

 

[Captain Marvelous]

Has Bob weighed in on the situation going on with this site right now?

 

[Positron]

Since I've gotten you all worked up over imaginary politics, I might as well add fuel by presenting this speculation about the political affiliation of MCU characters:


Bobby:


Luke kicks off the next International Symposium in Capeshitology:


Someone disrespects Loki:


Can you imagine Bobby stoned?

 

[Koby_Fish]

And I thought Bob was genre savvy, being a "cultural critic" and all. Death is less of an inconvenience than the common cold in comic books as the status quo is god so Peter, Wanda, and Stephen will return eventually because some things are immutable. It's not the first time some of them died as Peter "died" when Otto Octavius switched bodies with him in Superior Spider-Man. I don't remember if Wanda ever died, but Stephen Strange has lost the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme to have Brother Voodoo take it in his place. What Bob fails to understand is that part of what makes certain characters iconic is that they are timeless and archetypal. Peter Parker will always be Spider-Man. Steve Rogers will always be Captain America. Clark Kent will always be Superman. Bruce Wayne will always be Batman. It only gets murky when bring up the Flash, Green Lantern, and other lower tier characters as there was a generational component to them since 1956 though I would argue that Barry Allen and Hal Jordan were the most iconic.

"B-B-But 'Into The Spider-Verse'!" Bob may sputter, but I would argue that it was a blip. Another version of Peter played the role of Miles' mentor and had his own character arc. I doubt that the film would've had as much of an impact had there not been Peter B. Parker. Furthermore, Miles is not replacing 616-Peter in the comics as he did 1610-Peter. No, Ben Reilly--who briefly replaced Peter in 1996--is going to be Peter's replacement in the upcoming Spider-Man Beyond storyline. Wanda is not going to remain dead as Marvel will want to keep brand synergy in the wake of Wandavision and the upcoming Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Same with Stephen. The fatal flaw in Bob's logic is that fans will rush to devour more product because that is his sole reason for existence.

What truly galls me is that Bob has no idea of how dire the situation is for the American comic book industry. Mark Millar (rightly) observed that the publishers are chasing a phantom audience on Twitter and ignoring 95% of their audience who are leaving in droves. We, the true comic fans and not pretenders like Bob, are jaded bastards and savvy enough to recognize that Marvel and DC are recycling stories from 10-20 years ago, if not longer. In the case of the former, we know that the House of Ideas is a shambling shell of itself that takes most of its cues from the MCU rather than the other way around. I suspect the smarter fans will jump ship now that Phase 4 is looking to resemble the disaster that was All-New, All-Different Marvel from 2016.

TL;DR Bob has no idea of what he's talking about, as always.

I mean, Bob purports to be a Transformers fan, reviewed TFTM in "really that good", and so he should be aware (since Transformers had a comic run) of how many times Optimus Prime died and came back (not to mention Starscream, lol), so this shouldn't be difficult. I didn't even read Superman comics back when I heard there was "Death Of Superman" comics (1990s), so this should literally be old hat. Bob's just being exceptional so the Woke Muh Representashun Token Recasting can begin.

 

[The Valeyard]

Noah Hawley is going to turn Alien into an allegory of class warfare (Vanity Fair article archived). Bobby thinks worker exploitation is a feature of the franchise all along.

I enjoyed Legion so I'll give Noah Hawley's Alien a chance, but Bob still has a retarded take on the franchise as @Adamska pointed out.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Can you imagine Bobby stoned?

So that explains the small amount of McDonalds.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So that explains the small amount of McDonalds.

Doubt it, the only drug Bob is probably addicted on is caffeine from all the sodas he likely drinks

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I mean, Bob purports to be a Transformers fan, reviewed TFTM in "really that good", and so he should be aware (since Transformers had a comic run) of how many times Optimus Prime died and came back (not to mention Starscream, lol), so this shouldn't be difficult. I didn't even read Superman comics back when I heard there was "Death Of Superman" comics (1990s), so this should literally be old hat. Bob's just being exceptional so the Woke Muh Representashun Token Recasting can begin.

He watched the G1 cartoon as a kid, and a box set of it while writing the book. That's the only thing he's a fan of. Like Spiderman, he's only watched the movies, but still calls himself a Spiderman fan because he loved the Raimi ones.

 

[Info Player Start]

Has Bob weighed in on the situation going on with this site right now?

I don't think this site isn't famous/infamous enough for him to bother.

 

[Bolo]

Trying to invest any deeper meaning or political analysis to Alien besides the time period it was made in is ridiculous. The script was a salvage job from a shitty space slasher that was a WW2 flick? it was written by a SF guy who got was mostly interested in the monster and effects, and Ridley Scott is on the record numerous times saying that his first concern with the movie was the designs and photography, and the actor and script were the least of his concerns. Even the feminist angle is a bit iffy, since Ripley was a dude at the first drafts, and just turned into a wom,an later because Weaver was such a great fit for the role.

"Corporations BAD" theme of the movie is a holdover from the era, 60's and 70's sci-fi were all about the all consuming, de-humanizing corporations maaan! It is the most basic bitch plot device, but no one gave a shit because the point was to survive the space bug.

What truly galls me is that Bob has no idea of how dire the situation is for the American comic book industry. Mark Millar (rightly) observed that the publishers are chasing a phantom audience on Twitter and ignoring 95% of their audience who are leaving in droves. We, the true comic fans and not pretenders like Bob, are jaded bastards and savvy enough to recognize that Marvel and DC are recycling stories from 10-20 years ago, if not longer. In the case of the former, we know that the House of Ideas is a shambling shell of itself that takes most of its cues from the MCU rather than the other way around. I suspect the smarter fans will jump ship now that Phase 4 is looking to resemble the disaster that was All-New, All-Different Marvel from 2016.

TL;DR Bob has no idea of what he's talking about, as always.

I think the american comics were fucked way, way before all this "current year topics" nonsense started to be fair.

The American comics marked should have parted ways with the Marvel/DC system a looong time, or at the very least, expanded their market to something beyond capeshit.

Capeshit iconography is great to sell toys and shirts, and it is quite something to have decades old universes shared stories like the capeshit comics do, even if you don't like it, hard to deny that there isn't anything like the scope of the Marvel and DC universes, and a lot of people tried to make their own universes and failed, so that is the unique and fascinating thing about american comics.

However, continuity, reboots, and convoluted storylines spaming diverse titles are brick wall to enjoy any title or get into reading.

Not to mention that since the 80's or so, people like more to wear a captain America shirt than to read the comic. Capshit became too iconic for the sake of their own stories, people who never opened a superman comic know what superman is and what he is about.

And like I said, this ain't a recent problem, Marvel and DC have been struggling to keeps people's attention for since the 80's or so, so you get some gritty takes a la Dark Knight, or big reboot like Crisis on Infinite earth, or big events like Secret wars or the Infinity Gauntlet (91 I know, still), or in the 90's, when they started to kill characters like Superman, or make big changes like Clone Saga, just to walk it back later. Even hyped up stuff like the image comics didn't last much in the popular tastes, and since then, comics were never that big ever again.

And the reason is, American comics didn't manage to grow beyond the capeshit stuff. Look, if you take away Naruto and Dragon Ball from manga, that market wouldn't even blink with the sheer amount of titles and genres. Same goes for the European comics, who not only have a large amount of titles and genres, but has the biggest age diverse readers, old folks LOVE to read comics in Europe, same goes for kids, teens, etc, there is a market for every age group there.

But if you take away Spiderman, next day marvel comics is closing the door (or it would without Diney money). Sure, there are plenty American comics that aren't capeshit, great ones at that, but very few manage to make any sucess, and even less manage to become a brand, and Walking Dead alone can't make a wealthy market.

The overdependence of the American comic market on Marvel and DC is what is going to kill it, and I say it is way past time for it to happen, because no matter how impressive is to see these universes reaching for almost a century of stories, it is hard to deny the stench of rot that comes them either.

There is a reason why in Japan grampa might remember Astroboy with foundness, but he buys Demon Slayer and My hero Academia toys for his grandson

Can you imagine Bobby stoned?
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No, because the easiest way to spot someone who never did pot in their lives are the ones who speak of it as being this SUUUPER trippy, psychodelic colors trip, when in reality, smoking pot will only so much relax you or leave you a bit punch drunk, laughing at stupid shit, stuff like that.

This notion that Pot leaves you with some sort of sensory perception alterations, seeing colors or some heavy experience, yeah, that is what people who only know the depiction of Pot on TV thinks what is like. Robert wouldn't even know where to get grass to begin with, let alone know "the good stuff"

 

[Andrew Neiman]

Bobby thinks worker exploitation is a feature of the franchise all along.

This is difficult to dispute, at least regarding the first film.

 

[ChampFantana]

CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are openly liberal. Though CM Punk I know has used homophobic slurs in the past. I don't really know what Cena genuinely believes in since so much of the things he does comes off as fake and pandering.

I haven't been keeping up with any of them, but I'm not at all surprised to find out that CM Punk is a liberal. He's a complete douche.

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

They're super safe movies that are all flash and effects, but aren't really anything else after that.

MCU movies just exist to sell merchandise and make money. Not only that, but they attract consumers like Blobert, who are attracted to all the effects and pretty lights. Plot and story wise, they're just decent.

It's like they have it down to a science how to make a movie that appeals to the broadest demographic possible.

That's okay and all, but eventually you start craving something more.

Unless you're Moviebob, I guess.

 

[King Dead]

And I thought Bob was genre savvy, being a "cultural critic" and all. Death is less of an inconvenience than the common cold in comic books as the status quo is god so Peter, Wanda, and Stephen will return eventually because some things are immutable. It's not the first time some of them died as Peter "died" when Otto Octavius switched bodies with him in Superior Spider-Man. I don't remember if Wanda ever died, but Stephen Strange has lost the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme to have Brother Voodoo take it in his place. What Bob fails to understand is that part of what makes certain characters iconic is that they are timeless and archetypal. Peter Parker will always be Spider-Man. Steve Rogers will always be Captain America. Clark Kent will always be Superman. Bruce Wayne will always be Batman. It only gets murky when bring up the Flash, Green Lantern, and other lower tier characters as there was a generational component to them since 1956 though I would argue that Barry Allen and Hal Jordan were the most iconic.

"B-B-But 'Into The Spider-Verse'!" Bob may sputter, but I would argue that it was a blip. Another version of Peter played the role of Miles' mentor and had his own character arc. I doubt that the film would've had as much of an impact had there not been Peter B. Parker. Furthermore, Miles is not replacing 616-Peter in the comics as he did 1610-Peter. No, Ben Reilly--who briefly replaced Peter in 1996--is going to be Peter's replacement in the upcoming Spider-Man Beyond storyline. Wanda is not going to remain dead as Marvel will want to keep brand synergy in the wake of Wandavision and the upcoming Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Same with Stephen. The fatal flaw in Bob's logic is that fans will rush to devour more product because that is his sole reason for existence.

What truly galls me is that Bob has no idea of how dire the situation is for the American comic book industry. Mark Millar (rightly) observed that the publishers are chasing a phantom audience on Twitter and ignoring 95% of their audience who are leaving in droves. We, the true comic fans and not pretenders like Bob, are jaded bastards and savvy enough to recognize that Marvel and DC are recycling stories from 10-20 years ago, if not longer. In the case of the former, we know that the House of Ideas is a shambling shell of itself that takes most of its cues from the MCU rather than the other way around. I suspect the smarter fans will jump ship now that Phase 4 is looking to resemble the disaster that was All-New, All-Different Marvel from 2016.

TL;DR Bob has no idea of what he's talking about, as always.

Playing devil's advocate here, I do see the point Bob's making. There's a big difference between comic books and movies, and that's the vagaries of time.

The average comic book will have a couple dozen pages of art that can be flipped through in a few minutes. The majority of titles are coming out once a month, so that's twelve issues a year. You can play around with how much time elapses between issues, but if there's an ongoing story arc, then it could take months of real-world time to get through a day or a week of comic time. Thus, characters are generally not going to age anywhere near as fast as we do, and as mentioned, this isn't even taking into account other time-related shenanigans the authors could get up to, like flashbacks.

But here in the real world, we're all aging at the rate of one second per second. While that's normal, in the world of Hollywood, if you age out of a role, then that's that (barring retarded situations like Indy 5; please, someone, just get Harrison Ford some whiskey and send him home). You see this more often with female actors, but it can be true for everyone. Makeup and CGI can only go so far.

In the case of the MCU, some of these actors have been doing these roles for over a decade now; ScarJo was 25 when Iron Man 2 came out, but now she's in her mid-late-30s. Beyond just being tired of doing capeshit and wanting out, killing off a character can be a method of getting the actor out the door before they get too old to play it anymore.

Where I disagree with Diabeeto is audience reactions. He believes that Disney is trying to get people acclimated to the idea of having their favorite characters replaced with (potentially inferior) other actors for this reason, but he seems to think that people won't generally be opposed to it. In a post-Endgame world, the MCU has lost two of its most bankable stars in Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans, and Black Widow is the swan song for ScarJo. Thor has been turned into a walking punchline and is already set to be replaced by Natalie Portman, so Chris Hemsworth fans are fucked for the foreseeable future as well.

So most of the core group is dead or actively being shit on, and now you have a bunch of movies coming out with nothing but literal who's that are supposed to carry the MCU on their shoulders after the coof threw a gigantic wrench in the works. I know I shouldn't underestimate the power of the consoomer, but I can't help but wonder what the response will be. Is Bob correct in that it's the characters that matter more than the actors playing them, or have people become attached to how the actors bring those roles to life?

Well, we've got four (sigh) MCU movies coming out this year, so we'll probably know soon.

Also, to that fucking moron who claimed that a Captain Marvel boycott must not have done anything because it still made over a billion dollars: remember, that movie got a massive unwarranted boost through being sandwiched between the biggest tentpoles of the MCU, and a not-that-subtle implication from Disney that you had to see it if you wanted to fully understand Endgame (along with theories that Disney was buying up a lot of tickets themselves to artificially inflate its numbers, but that's unconfirmed). Somehow, I don't think The Marvels (Brie Larson can't even get a movie to herself anymore, haha) is going to replicate that "success."

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It's like they have it down to a science how to make a movie that appeals to the broadest demographic possible.

That's okay and all, but eventually you start craving something more.

Unless you're Moviebob, I guess.

Yeah like it's perfectly fine to enjoy MCU stuff, it's just Bob takes fandom shit way too far with inane ideas how Marvel is modern shakespeare/religion/greek mythology because of certain lines of dialogue really there to make the audience feel smart.

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Yeah like it's perfectly fine to enjoy MCU stuff, it's just Bob takes fandom shit way too far with inane ideas how Marvel is modern shakespeare/religion/greek mythology because of certain lines of dialogue really there to make the audience feel smart.

Like I've said before, I don't think Bob actually cares if these movies are good or not. He just likes that they're popular. He apparently thinks that he's really knowledgeable about Marvel comics lore, and he likes feeling like he gets to explain to the dumb masses what all this shit means, and where it's probably going.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Like I've said before, I don't think Bob actually cares if these movies are good or not. He just likes that they're popular. He apparently thinks that he's really knowledgeable about Marvel comics lore, and he likes feeling like he gets to explain to the dumb masses what all this shit means, and where it's probably going.

I think Bob does care to some extent that the movies are good and he feels happy that they are popular so he feels like he is some sort of elite. If they were good films that were unpopular, he'd try hard to sell them as being too smart for the common moviegoer. Like Bob has done this before with the Monsterverse movies especially King of the Monsters which was not really liked by critics.

Bob just likes to consoom his products and insist their good even in times where he is in the minority.

The only time he doesn't care about a film's quality is if they are from a perceived rival since he hates a lot of DC movies due to associating their fans with jocks and dudebros.

 

[Koby_Fish]

Trying to invest any deeper meaning or political analysis to Alien besides the time period it was made in is ridiculous. The script was a salvage job from a shitty space slasher that was a WW2 flick? it was written by a SF guy who got was mostly interested in the monster and effects, and Ridley Scott is on the record numerous times saying that his first concern with the movie was the designs and photography, and the actor and script were the least of his concerns. Even the feminist angle is a bit iffy, since Ripley was a dude at the first drafts, and just turned into a wom,an later because Weaver was such a great fit for the role.

"Corporations BAD" theme of the movie is a holdover from the era, 60's and 70's sci-fi were all about the all consuming, de-humanizing corporations maaan! It is the most basic bitch plot device, but no one gave a shit because the point was to survive the space bug.


I think the american comics were fucked way, way before all this "current year topics" nonsense started to be fair.

The American comics marked should have parted ways with the Marvel/DC system a looong time, or at the very least, expanded their market to something beyond capeshit.

Capeshit iconography is great to sell toys and shirts, and it is quite something to have decades old universes shared stories like the capeshit comics do, even if you don't like it, hard to deny that there isn't anything like the scope of the Marvel and DC universes, and a lot of people tried to make their own universes and failed, so that is the unique and fascinating thing about american comics.

However, continuity, reboots, and convoluted storylines spaming diverse titles are brick wall to enjoy any title or get into reading.

Not to mention that since the 80's or so, people like more to wear a captain America shirt than to read the comic. Capshit became too iconic for the sake of their own stories, people who never opened a superman comic know what superman is and what he is about.

And like I said, this ain't a recent problem, Marvel and DC have been struggling to keeps people's attention for since the 80's or so, so you get some gritty takes a la Dark Knight, or big reboot like Crisis on Infinite earth, or big events like Secret wars or the Infinity Gauntlet (91 I know, still), or in the 90's, when they started to kill characters like Superman, or make big changes like Clone Saga, just to walk it back later. Even hyped up stuff like the image comics didn't last much in the popular tastes, and since then, comics were never that big ever again.

And the reason is, American comics didn't manage to grow beyond the capeshit stuff. Look, if you take away Naruto and Dragon Ball from manga, that market wouldn't even blink with the sheer amount of titles and genres. Same goes for the European comics, who not only have a large amount of titles and genres, but has the biggest age diverse readers, old folks LOVE to read comics in Europe, same goes for kids, teens, etc, there is a market for every age group there.

But if you take away Spiderman, next day marvel comics is closing the door (or it would without Diney money). Sure, there are plenty American comics that aren't capeshit, great ones at that, but very few manage to make any sucess, and even less manage to become a brand, and Walking Dead alone can't make a wealthy market.

The overdependence of the American comic market on Marvel and DC is what is going to kill it, and I say it is way past time for it to happen, because no matter how impressive is to see these universes reaching for almost a century of stories, it is hard to deny the stench of rot that comes them either.

There is a reason why in Japan grampa might remember Astroboy with foundness, but he buys Demon Slayer and My hero Academia toys for his grandson


No, because the easiest way to spot someone who never did pot in their lives are the ones who speak of it as being this SUUUPER trippy, psychodelic colors trip, when in reality, smoking pot will only so much relax you or leave you a bit punch drunk, laughing at stupid shit, stuff like that.

This notion that Pot leaves you with some sort of sensory perception alterations, seeing colors or some heavy experience, yeah, that is what people who only know the depiction of Pot on TV thinks what is like. Robert wouldn't even know where to get grass to begin with, let alone know "the good stuff"

I mean, if someone laced the pot with something like LSD or something, then maybe they'd get trippy shit going on. Just recently around here some guy died because his pot was laced with fentanyl.