Rolling Coal

[Holdek]

I don't agree with this nonsense, But it's not just coal rollers fucking up the environment. Hybrid and electric car drivers do as well just by buying their car. Do you realize how much harm producing the lithium for the power cells on those vehicles does? Not only does mining the lithium do a lot of damage, But the chemical waste to refine the lithium is pretty brutal. Not only that, But the lithium has to be shipped all over the world during the process. It get mined in places like Canada, put on a big ship that Burns bunker oil for fuel, shipped to Europe to be refined, then shipped again to China to be further refined into a gel and put into a power cell, then shipped again to the automobile manufacturer and placed into a car. It does more damage to just build a hybrid than it does to just drive a regular car for 10 years.

Rolling coal =/= driving a Prius. That's why these guys specifically target Priuses to roll coal on.

And it doesn't inflict more damage to build a hybrid than to build a regular car anymore. It maybe used to before economies of scale kicked in. The problem with hybrids now is that they cost more to buy than the energy savings make up for for most drivers.

 

[Zenotwapal]

I live in the South and see these sorts of folk frequently, and I really don't see them as a group of people "making a stand against environmentalists". Many people take trucks and all kinds of stupid shit to them because that's just their hobby and they like doing it. I really have never heard of someone deliberately putting smokestacks on a 3/4 ton pick-up just to piss off Prius drivers.
Sure, they make a lot of jokes about it, but it's not like their entire lifestyle revolves around blowing smoke on a Prius.

TL;DR This is kind of an off characterization of these sorts of people. They do stupid things but I wouldn't call it cringe worthy business. But that's just my two cents.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

Isn't this a quick way to ruin your motor? One would think that this inject-extra-fuel-make-black-smoke-clouds stuff seriously hurts the engine or at least drastically reduces its lifespan.

 

[c-no]

Isn't this a quick way to ruin your motor? One would think that this inject-extra-fuel-make-black-smoke-clouds stuff seriously hurts the engine or at least drastically reduces its lifespan.

Considering OP said along the lines of shortening the life of your engine, it may as well be a way to ruin your motor. The fact these guys do it to stick it to environmentalist isn't just obnoxious but also stupid not only because they give liberals possible ammunition, they are also hurting their own vehicles.

 

[Le Bateleur]

I would so love to see a conversation between these guys and some of the less sane hypermilers - the ones who turn off their engines and drift along right behind trucks on the highways to save fuel.

 

[klystron]

It's fucking stupid, and if you do it, you're being a fucking douche.

For fuck's sake. I don't care if you only do it once, you have to be an exceptional individual to deliberately pollute just to show up those dern libruls. God, I'm stunned I haven't seen any bogan warriors out here doing this shit to stick it to the politicians who don't want the carbon tax repealed.

That isn't really the point. The smoking truck thing has been around a long time. Because of the war on all things carbon some people just wear it as a badge of honor. I actually think "Prius Repellent" is really funny and no more offensive than rainbow bumper stickers. To each their own.

Not if I have to drive behind them and inhale that shit, thanks.

I think if you did some research you may find that the black smoke is really just soot -- long carbon chains that weren't burned. Is it healthy? No. But it's probably no worse than smelling the guy's cigarette in front of you when sitting in traffic.

Besides, they do it for moments like this:

Honestly my crowd doesn't like the stacks. They're way too loud (due to distance especially on a regular cab) and everyone knows exhaust out the back acts like a rocket and gives you 50 more torkaberries, yo. I don't personally know anyone who would do that regularly on the street but there are events where they go nuts.

I just put a South Bend clutch in my truck so I'll be babying it for the 500 mile break-in period. (500 miles of fuel obtained with 4th mortgage on house.)

 

[Holdek]

But it's probably no worse than smelling the guy's cigarette in front of you when sitting in traffic.

Diesel exhaust is one of the nation’s most pervasive sources of toxic air pollution. America’s 11 million diesels—buses, trucks, trains, ships, and construction equipment—emit pollutants that lead to 21,000 premature deaths each year and create a cancer risk that is seven times greater than the combined risk of all 181 other air toxics tracked by the EPA. Scientific studies link pollutants in diesel exhaust to a myriad of public health effects, including asthma attacks, heart attacks, stroke, cancer, and premature death.

(http://www.catf.us/diesel/)

 

[TheUltimatePickle]

I'm a car freak and also pretty left leaning and also from the south.

I'm not really that up on truck culture, but it's my understanding that most people who roll coal just do it because they think it looks cool, not so they can blast Priuses and make political statements. It's sort of like a redneck version of those ricer kids who put massive fartcan mufflers on their crappy old Civics to make them louder.

 

[Francis E. Dec Esc.]

I'm a car freak and also pretty left leaning and also from the south.

I'm not really that up on truck culture, but it's my understanding that most people who roll coal just do it because they think it looks cool, not so they can blast Priuses and make political statements. It's sort of like a redneck version of those ricer kids who put massive fartcan mufflers on their crappy old Civics to make them louder.

White trash assholes are white trash assholes. If they can't afford a diesel dually and they're stuck in an 1970s or 1980s Ranger or S-10 they'll make it up by throwing their spit cups at pedestrians and cyclists.

 

[klystron]

(http://www.catf.us/diesel/)

Holdek, we are not talking about diesel exhaust. We are talking about the black smoke that comes out. Normally that doesn't occur unless there is an over-fueling condition which is deliberately caused sometimes to tick people off as discussed. One of the problems with posts like yours is that it ignores the positive benefits of diesel with regards to today's technology.

For starters, according to http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf diesel fuel contains 137,380 btu/gal while gasoline contains only 124,340. Also keep in mind that with today's E10 gas you get 10% by volume mixture of something that contains only 84,530 btu/gal. That's why people's mpg dropped when they started putting in ethanol. It may burn cleaner, but that is negated when you have to use about 6% more of it to go the same distance. In addition that corn to make ethanol is harvested by a ton of farm equipment running on diesel! (not to mention trucked to refineries on diesel trucks)

In addition, diesel engines are capable of running extremely lean. The Bosch wideband air/fuel sensor on my wife's TDI beetle can handle readings down to 40:1 parts air/fuel. Of course that is one reason they produce the emissions they do. Running too lean produces a lot more nitrous oxide. However, stoichiometric air/fuel ratio is 14.7:1 with pure gas and about 14.13 (iirc) with E10. So if you can cruise down the freeway and maintain 70 mph at 20:1 that's a pretty big savings. That's one reason why a lot of TDI owners get upwards of 60 mpg on constant speed flat drives. Also, diesel engines do not produce carbon monoxide which of course is extremely bad.

TheUltimatePickle has the best analogy. It's redneck ricer kids. Love it.

 

[thatsforubeme]

Holdek, we are not talking about diesel exhaust. We are talking about the black smoke that comes out. Normally that doesn't occur unless there is an over-fueling condition which is deliberately caused sometimes to tick people off as discussed. One of the problems with posts like yours is that it ignores the positive benefits of diesel with regards to today's technology.

Diesel particulate matter, which comprises unburnt fuel and oil, is the unhealthiest part of diesel exhaust. I'd like to see where you read that black smoke was benign.

For starters, according to http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_comparison_chart.pdf diesel fuel contains 137,380 btu/gal while gasoline contains only 124,340. Also keep in mind that with today's E10 gas you get 10% by volume mixture of something that contains only 84,530 btu/gal. That's why people's mpg dropped when they started putting in ethanol. It may burn cleaner, but that is negated when you have to use about 6% more of it to go the same distance. In addition that corn to make ethanol is harvested by a ton of farm equipment running on diesel! (not to mention trucked to refineries on diesel trucks)

The advantage of using ethanol is that it is carbon neutral outside of production emissions (which regular fuels are also subject to). The carbon released during combustion was captured from the air recently, instead of millions of years ago.

In addition, diesel engines are capable of running extremely lean. The Bosch wideband air/fuel sensor on my wife's TDI beetle can handle readings down to 40:1 parts air/fuel. Of course that is one reason they produce the emissions they do. Running too lean produces a lot more nitrous oxide. However, stoichiometric air/fuel ratio is 14.7:1 with pure gas and about 14.13 (iirc) with E10. So if you can cruise down the freeway and maintain 70 mph at 20:1 that's a pretty big savings. That's one reason why a lot of TDI owners get upwards of 60 mpg on constant speed flat drives. Also, diesel engines do not produce carbon monoxide which of course is extremely bad.

I don't think anyone disagrees that diesels are lean and more energy efficient than gas. The problem with them is that if you don't run them at constant speed, they will generate a lot more particulate matter.

 

[For The Internet]

That isn't really the point. The smoking truck thing has been around a long time. Because of the war on all things carbon some people just wear it as a badge of honor. I actually think "Prius Repellent" is really funny and no more offensive than rainbow bumper stickers. To each their own.

I'm not talking about bumper stickers, they're harmless. I don't care why they do it, if they're expelling that shit into the air around other people they're dumb, selfish fucks. It makes people sick.

 

[A-Stump]

FUDCK U KIWI FORUM LIBERAL FUCKS

I BURN FUEL LIKE I BURN GRASS

NOW THAT IS A FLAG YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

OH AND GUESS WHAT DO YOU PUSSIES WORSHIP, THAT FAGGOT MOHAMMED OR SOME NAKED WITCH GODDESS

YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, JESUS LOVES THE MEEK BUT GUESS WHAT, SOMETIMES HE APPROVES OF FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. JUST LIKE MY SMOKE STACKS WHICH YOU KEEP TRYING TO TAKE AWAY

HOMOS CAN GO TO HELL, THIS SUMS IT UP PRETTY WELL

Spoiler: OBAAAMMMMMMAAAAA

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QLhtEPILFks/UrSRQl0GcAI/AAAAAAAAEvw/Vv3JNhyElkw/s1600/phil-and-obama.jpg

YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, GOOD OLD DUCK DYNASTY I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS

GET WREKTD

 

[Pikonic]

FUDCK U KIWI FORUM LIBERAL FUCKS

I BURN FUEL LIKE I BURN GRASS

NOW THAT IS A FLAG YOU CAN BELIEVE IN

OH AND GUESS WHAT DO YOU PUSSIES WORSHIP, THAT FAGGOT MOHAMMED OR SOME NAKED WITCH GODDESS

YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, JESUS LOVES THE MEEK BUT GUESS WHAT, SOMETIMES HE APPROVES OF FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. JUST LIKE MY SMOKE STACKS WHICH YOU KEEP TRYING TO TAKE AWAY

HOMOS CAN GO TO HELL, THIS SUMS IT UP PRETTY WELL

Spoiler: OBAAAMMMMMMAAAAA

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QLhtEPILFks/UrSRQl0GcAI/AAAAAAAAEvw/Vv3JNhyElkw/s1600/phil-and-obama.jpg

YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, GOOD OLD DUCK DYNASTY I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS

GET WREKTD

You forgot to put the Obama picture in img tags

 

[A-Stump]

You forgot to put the Obama picture in img tags

That was intentional actually.

 

[Pikonic]

That was intentional actually.

Ah, like Tyce "ok this site sucks"
Nice touch

 

[Randall Fragg]

One of my favorite political weapons?

My Gerber Multi-tool.

Any asshole I catch "rolling coal", parking in a handicap space without a tag or visor badge, or sporting anti-LBGT bumper stickers is prone to loose a few valve stems.

I just stick a rag in their gas tank opening and light it up. Much more satisfying.

 

[Surtur]

Interesting topic but I am not sure if it belongs in Lolcow.

 

[klystron]

YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, GOOD OLD DUCK DYNASTY I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS

Truck dynasty

I'm not talking about bumper stickers, they're harmless. I don't care why they do it, if they're expelling that shit into the air around other people they're dumb, selfish fucks. It makes people sick.

That is a good point. Poor comparison on my part. Maybe there are people out there smoking all the time but I've never met them. Meanwhile I pride myself in that my truck doesn't smoke unless I bog it down and floor it (which I don't.)

 

[Android raptor]

I live in the South and have never encountered these fucks amazingly, though all other brands of dumb truck modifications that scream overcompensation are commonplace.

Shit like this makes the thought of moving back to Tacoma even more tempting.