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Imagine if these idiots put their enthusiasm into encouraging that kind of stuff, perhaps commisioning a Arabian/persian classical litterature and folkslore scholar to help compose something rather than just putting random brown people in art.
That's exactly what I mean. It took so much effort to create LOTR. Tolkien was so immersed in his indigenous literature that he practically dreamed it every night. The only way to succeed at making such a groundbreaking thing for POC would be for them to put in the effort to learn what their culture is and then synthesize it intelligently over decades of intellectual labor.

These guys just won't do that, so they want whitey to do it for them.
 
Imagine if these idiots put their enthusiasm into encouraging that kind of stuff, perhaps commisioning a Arabian/persian classical litterature and folkslore scholar to help compose something rather than just putting random brown people in art.
Reminds me of a time when I was trying to get an associate to watch a Bollywood movie (Baahubali - I recommend it) but they acted more enthusiastic about watching "Crazy Rich Asians."

True, actual diversity kind of breaks these people's minds.

Exhibit A: https://talinthas.tumblr.com/post/150111624732/kaladesh-you-break-my-heart

But here it was, a girl in a sari. she had a little glass thing dancing in her hand, and some weird circus behind her, but that didn’t matter, surely. Just window dressing for the indian theros we were going to get. And look at all the consultants listed on the credits sheet, and all of the effort that went into creating the single character of Kaya. Heck, they even spoke to an expert about getting the details right. Kaladesh was going to be amazing, rich, and nuanced with Indian texture run through a magic lens. The artifacts thing was awesome, because it had been awesome in Origins, and Shawn Main was the designer, and he makes my favorite sets.
My favorite designer, running one of my favorite themes, through my culture? I didn’t know how badly I wanted this until then. I had no idea how all of the patching over that void of never belonging had built up and calloused until it was all torn away, knowing that it was coming, finally. I’d waited so long, and now i’d finally be a part of the game i loved so much.
I’d waited so, so long.
And i was totally wrong. Turns out it was the geegaw in her hand that mattered, and all that weird circus stuff in the background. That she was brown like my mom and in a gorgeous blue sari like my wife’s favorite? window dressing.
Over the PAX weekend, that wound i’d torn open was poked and prodded and filled with salt and vinegar and burned and burned and burned. My head spun as i sat through panel after panel talking about cars and energy and dwarves and elves.
dwarves! elves! literally the most tolkien scandinavian of folkloric creatures! and cars and gremlins and all of this other nonsense wrapped in pinks and purples right out of the Watchowski’s Speed Runner film. It was amazing. But it was not indian. Not even close.
I couldn’t believe it. What the hell even was this. There were people with indian names, coloration, hairstyles. The buildings were all weird mughal architecture that had been splattered with a million colors, as if the artist had seen one picture of the Taj Mahal and the movie Aladdin, and then decided to spray paint them together.
It was an amazing anime, but it was not Indian. Or even india. All of those buildings and clothing styles were persian, not indian. And over and over I was told “We didn’t want to offend anyone. We didn’t want to step on real beliefs, or real cultural influences, or do anything to make anyone mad.” So no four armed vedalken or elephant headed loxodon or gods. Fine. But then they kept going. No snakes. No monkeys. No rakshasas, no indian birds, no cultural markers of any kind at all. Literally just the skin.
But wait, isn’t that the representation you wanted? look! they look like you, and hell one of them even has your surname! it’s totally indian, dude, stop looking for something wrong, or something to hate, and enjoy this set quietly.
No, it is not what i wanted. Not what i’ve waited my whole life for. This isn’t me, or my people, or anything to do with me.

(though my associate did eventually cave to watching the movie and ended up enjoying it)
 
Reminds me of a time when I was trying to get an associate to watch a Bollywood movie (Baahubali - I recommend it) but they acted more enthusiastic about watching "Crazy Rich Asians."

True, actual diversity kind of breaks these people's minds.

Exhibit A: https://talinthas.tumblr.com/post/150111624732/kaladesh-you-break-my-heart

But here it was, a girl in a sari. she had a little glass thing dancing in her hand, and some weird circus behind her, but that didn’t matter, surely. Just window dressing for the indian theros we were going to get. And look at all the consultants listed on the credits sheet, and all of the effort that went into creating the single character of Kaya. Heck, they even spoke to an expert about getting the details right. Kaladesh was going to be amazing, rich, and nuanced with Indian texture run through a magic lens. The artifacts thing was awesome, because it had been awesome in Origins, and Shawn Main was the designer, and he makes my favorite sets.
My favorite designer, running one of my favorite themes, through my culture? I didn’t know how badly I wanted this until then. I had no idea how all of the patching over that void of never belonging had built up and calloused until it was all torn away, knowing that it was coming, finally. I’d waited so long, and now i’d finally be a part of the game i loved so much.
I’d waited so, so long.
And i was totally wrong. Turns out it was the geegaw in her hand that mattered, and all that weird circus stuff in the background. That she was brown like my mom and in a gorgeous blue sari like my wife’s favorite? window dressing.
Over the PAX weekend, that wound i’d torn open was poked and prodded and filled with salt and vinegar and burned and burned and burned. My head spun as i sat through panel after panel talking about cars and energy and dwarves and elves.
dwarves! elves! literally the most tolkien scandinavian of folkloric creatures! and cars and gremlins and all of this other nonsense wrapped in pinks and purples right out of the Watchowski’s Speed Runner film. It was amazing. But it was not indian. Not even close.
I couldn’t believe it. What the hell even was this. There were people with indian names, coloration, hairstyles. The buildings were all weird mughal architecture that had been splattered with a million colors, as if the artist had seen one picture of the Taj Mahal and the movie Aladdin, and then decided to spray paint them together.
It was an amazing anime, but it was not Indian. Or even india. All of those buildings and clothing styles were persian, not indian. And over and over I was told “We didn’t want to offend anyone. We didn’t want to step on real beliefs, or real cultural influences, or do anything to make anyone mad.” So no four armed vedalken or elephant headed loxodon or gods. Fine. But then they kept going. No snakes. No monkeys. No rakshasas, no indian birds, no cultural markers of any kind at all. Literally just the skin.
But wait, isn’t that the representation you wanted? look! they look like you, and hell one of them even has your surname! it’s totally indian, dude, stop looking for something wrong, or something to hate, and enjoy this set quietly.
No, it is not what i wanted. Not what i’ve waited my whole life for. This isn’t me, or my people, or anything to do with me.

(though my associate did eventually cave to watching the movie and ended up enjoying it)
tl;dr: "I don't even buy cards but I hate you for catering to me."
 
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Well L5R does have Hispanics.



NGL, an Africa based RPG could be pretty based.
Nyambe, Spears of the Dawn, and Southlands are all rpg settings based on african myths, I might have the pdfs. If you're interested I could look when I get back home.
 
Nyambe, Spears of the Dawn, and Southlands are all rpg settings based on african myths, I might have the pdfs. If you're interested I could look when I get back home.
Spears of the Dawn is amazing and I can wholly recommend everything Sine Nomine has published.

I can also recommend Arrows of Indra for an authentic Indian RPG. It's based on the Mahabarata in a lot of respects with people riding Vimanas and fucking about with the remnants of cosmic power from ancient wars. Hilariously, this being the most authentic Indian RPG, it's made by RPGPundit one of the most hated anti-SJW game authors. You just need to keep in mind it's more of a "traditional" RPG game so it takes its lessons from 2e or the OSR more than modern games.
 
Also I'd give my right eye for an Arabian nights style setting or an update for Al-Qadim. I had so much fun running WoD Sassanid Empire mage a few years back, I've been hankering for another go.

Offhand, there's Legend of the Burning Sands, for L5R, and Land of Fire, for Hellfrost. And Hellfrost is awesome.
 
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Social Justice is all about immediate gratification. They think that it is somehow both possible and desirable to raise up marginalized groups to full equality status overnight, and the fact that it hasn't happened yet is de facto proof of massive bigotry on the part of all of society. As if you could just turn someone with mental illnesses, personality problems, or low IQ due to bad/missing parents, childhood lead exposure, head injury from childhood abuse, etc. into a top-earning doctor, lawyer, or CEO overnight with a mandated hiring and having them watch some pop cultural "representation". What a complete joke.

Anyone who has actually struggled with real life problems for years or decades knows how completely unrealistic this is, but of course these pampered bozos who are everything they claim to despise had everything handed to them instantly and they assume that all other whites did too. The very concept of Tolkien putting in literal decades worth of work to create Middle-Earth is literally incomprehensible to them. If you challenged any of them to create, say, Middle-Africa, they would of course say that a PoC should be doing it, but the real reason is that they are too lazy and don't actually give a shit about Africa. Just as well really, who needs a fictional Africa cribbed entirely from the Black Panther movie and inhabited entirely with strong wheelchair-bound lesbians who don't need no man?
 
Social Justice is all about immediate gratification. They think that it is somehow both possible and desirable to raise up marginalized groups to full equality status overnight, and the fact that it hasn't happened yet is de facto proof of massive bigotry on the part of all of society. As if you could just turn someone with mental illnesses, personality problems, or low IQ due to bad/missing parents, childhood lead exposure, head injury from childhood abuse, etc. into a top-earning doctor, lawyer, or CEO overnight with a mandated hiring and having them watch some pop cultural "representation". What a complete joke.

Anyone who has actually struggled with real life problems for years or decades knows how completely unrealistic this is, but of course these pampered bozos who are everything they claim to despise had everything handed to them instantly and they assume that all other whites did too. The very concept of Tolkien putting in literal decades worth of work to create Middle-Earth is literally incomprehensible to them. If you challenged any of them to create, say, Middle-Africa, they would of course say that a PoC should be doing it, but the real reason is that they are too lazy and don't actually give a shit about Africa. Just as well really, who needs a fictional Africa cribbed entirely from the Black Panther movie and inhabited entirely with strong wheelchair-bound lesbians who don't need no man?
SocJus like The Moral Majority that spawned it is at it's core just a way for basic bitch Karens to feel important while doing nothing and for genuine pieces of shit to get away with horrendous behavior and harass their enemies.
 
The cabal of mysogynistic haters is at it again. Not content with ruining the Ghostbusters reboot, now they're trying to spoil the Harley Quinn movie!

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RPG dot Net is terrible about representation when it matters.

Back around 2004 some guys started talking on old ENWorld and other forums about the d20 Africa setting they were going to make. They talked about stating up magic items, creating PrC's (This was before 3.5 and AdC's and the other stuff), savage jungles, dangerous savanna, treacherous deserts, all that good shit.

Some of the art they posted was, of course, guys with spears and shields and leopard skins and other shit, and of course, people threw fits about Afro-Fetishism and racism and all that shit.

A section of legends of white sorceresses that people were afraid of because the Gods had bleached them because of their evil was met with "White savior!" and other shit.

The group making the sourcebook was even accused of racism because of their name, Kilimanjaro Press or something like that, that they tried to explain they'd chosen so it'd be familiar to Western audiences.

Finally, they got hounded off the various forums due to all the negativity.

It didn't matter that their mechanics were solid, their monsters were cool, their Gods new and different and involved in the world, and the legends were a lot different than the shit you normally saw, oh no, they were BAD because of "African Fetishists" and shit like that.

People found out a couple years later that the authors? Those evil white people who were trying to cash in on Africa and brown people?

Yeah. From Nigeria.

You know.

In Africa.

So every time RPGNet or any other of the big forums starts talking shit about "Why haven't there been an African Lord of the Rings?" I want to yell "Because either you scream at anyone from Africa trying to tell you about it, or you claim it's white people and shit all over it!"

Hell, most of the assholes screaming tried to claim that "Spider" was supposedly an "Africanized ripoff of Lloth" instead of their ignorant asses knowing he was a very familiar figure in African fables.
 
The cabal of mysogynistic haters is at it again. Not content with ruining the Ghostbusters reboot, now they're trying to spoil the Harley Quinn movie!

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I'm unsure what's more pathetic, going to the cinema to spite some hypothetical mysogenist who doesnt care if you do or pretending you are for asspats from people you'll never meet.
 
How do they not realize that the rpg hobby has decentralization as a defining trait. Each table is autonomous. Each table defines what they accept, and how. The designer and publisher cannot compel compliance to any agenda of their own. If the creators made a damn good system, and my money is on that their talking about Lamentations of the Flame Princess, (which is a damn good system just created by an idiot) just use it, Raggi isn't gonna show up at your table and yell at you cause you included a trans elf.

Edit: Oh ACKS was completely banned from the website. Holy shit is that exceptional. Ignore my money being on LotFP. I figured that's what they were talking about because I had received a warning for talking about a source book from that game
 
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There's nothing objectionable in the game, y'all are just a bunch of spergy exceptional individuals who can't separate the product from the author to the point that a gaming forum banned all discussion of a game because the site owner knew y'all would keep libeling the game developer.

It's the same with them sperging about Zak S. And threatening to burn their books. You wanna burn your old 50 dollar books be my fucking guest. Nothing was wrong with anything Zak wrote and he's a talented writer, his ego aside. As long as he's writing good systems and has good ideas I could give less than a fuck about their personal lives.
 
I love how that OSR hate thread completely glosses over the fact that Onyx Path/ White Wolf was the place where all the actual rapists and sexual harassers were hiding, because they at least believed the right things.
The White Wolf/Onyx Path sexual abusers trooned out, so their awful books (like Changing Breeds, which is an official book about rape and zoophilia) get a free pass.
 
The WW people were also deeply embedded in the forums community and the mod team, some of whom were fuckbuddies in confusing arrangements. (One of the worst mods could not be kicked off the team because he was co-renting the same apartment, and could not be physically kept away from the forums.) In its early years, RPGNet was a place mainly for the WW clique, with D&D and its like grudgingly tolerated as a lowly trash. WW staff and freelancers were always given a lot of extra leeway, and were only banned in the most extreme circumstances.
 
The WW people were also deeply embedded in the forums community and the mod team, some of whom were fuckbuddies in confusing arrangements. In its early years, RPGNet was a place mainly for the WW clique, with D&D and its like grudgingly tolerated as a lowly trash. WW staff and freelancers were always given a lot of extra leeway, and were only banned in the most extreme circumstances.

I remember Malcolm Sheppard (who went by a few variations on "eyebeams") getting into vicious fights with the "conservative cabal" that haunted the boards, which back then actually included Cessna and Darren MacLennan. Not sure of the circumstances, but he managed the trick of getting banned.
 
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