🐱 Rudy Giuliani faces questions after compromising scene in new Borat film

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film

The reputation of Rudy Giuliani could be set for a further blow with the release of highly embarrassing footage in Sacha Baron Cohen’s follow-up to Borat.

In the film, released on Friday, the former New York mayor and current personal attorney to Donald Trump is seen reaching into his trousers and apparently touching his genitals while reclining on a bed in the presence of the actor playing Borat’s daughter, who is posing as a TV journalist.

Following an obsequious interview for a fake conservative news programme, the pair retreat at her suggestion for a drink to the bedroom of a hotel suite, which is rigged with concealed cameras.

After she removes his microphone, Giuliani, 76, can be seen lying back on the bed, fiddling with his untucked shirt and reaching into his trousers. They are then interrupted by Borat who runs in and says: “She’s 15. She’s too old for you.”

Representatives for Giuliani have not replied to the Guardian’s requests for comment.

 

[It's HK-47]

However, people on this site who claim to be "moderate" sure spend a lot of time defending every single thing Trump does.

I think that the most frightening way I can really respond to that is to say that's because Trump is actually fairly moderate. It sounds completely insane, but if you stop and analyze his positions and policies and compare him to even the Neo-Cons of the previous 'generation' of Republicans, he has very few similarities to them. He's hopped party affiliations multiple times in the past, but he's always been fairly liberal-minded, just not in the modern sense because modern Liberalism is insane.

If you stuck him down in the middle of the Democratic party 15-20 years ago, he wouldn't even really stand out apart from the fact that he was never against gay marriage and all of them hated it at the time, and even the Democrats thumped their Bibles pretty frequently back in the day. Otherwise, none of his policies have really budged throughout the years. You can find interviews with him saying the same things in the 1980s that he says today.

Apart from some mild nationalism a la America First and securing the borders--Which even the DNC was all gung-ho about prior to 2016--and the occasional blurb about Christianity--which also was just Politics 101 prior to 2016--Trump really isn't that far off to the right, they've just shoved the Overton Window so violently over the past decade that it makes him seem like he's way off on that side of the field.

But like, he's fine with gay marriage, he doesn't try to force Christianity into everything, he's worked extensively to help "level the playing field" for minorities by targeting their unemployment rates and helping to rip out unfair practices in the judicial system with the criminal justice reform, he's unquestionably pro-Israel, he's exceedingly anti-war, and his administration spends its recreational time slamming multinational corporations with a bat for trying to bypass the American economy and circumvent sanctions against the countries trying to rob us of our manufacturing, or crushing down on "Big Pharma" so hard that the company that produces OxyContin pleaded guilty to an $8b lawsuit and had to close its doors.

How is he anything but a moderate? If anything, I'd actually call him Center Left.

 

[LaxerBRO]

A pretend 15 year old that is an adult and portrayed herself as an adult lead a guy on and I am supposed to be outraged???

If you want to talk about questionable ages how about Harvey Milk and his then 16 year old boyfriend?

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

I think that the most frightening way I can really respond to that is to say that's because Trump is actually fairly moderate. It sounds completely insane, but if you stop and analyze his positions and policies and compare him to even the Neo-Cons of the previous 'generation' of Republicans, he has very few similarities to them. He's hopped party affiliations multiple times in the past, but he's always been fairly liberal-minded, just not in the modern sense because modern Liberalism is insane.

If you stuck him down in the middle of the Democratic party 15-20 years ago, he wouldn't even really stand out apart from the fact that he was never against gay marriage and all of them hated it at the time, and even the Democrats thumped their Bibles pretty frequently back in the day. Otherwise, none of his policies have really budged throughout the years. You can find interviews with him saying the same things in the 1980s that he says today.

Apart from some mild nationalism a la America First and securing the borders--Which even the DNC was all gung-ho about prior to 2016--and the occasional blurb about Christianity--which also was just Politics 101 prior to 2016--Trump really isn't that far off to the right, they've just shoved the Overton Window so violently over the past decade that it makes him seem like he's way off on that side of the field.

But like, he's fine with gay marriage, he doesn't try to force Christianity into everything, he's worked extensively to help "level the playing field" for minorities by targeting their unemployment rates and helping to rip out unfair practices in the judicial system with the criminal justice reform, he's unquestionably pro-Israel, he's exceedingly anti-war, and his administration spends its recreational time slamming multinational corporations with a bat for trying to bypass the American economy and circumvent sanctions against the countries trying to rob us of our manufacturing, or crushing down on "Big Pharma" so hard that the company that produces OxyContin pleaded guilty to an $8b lawsuit and had to close its doors.

How is he anything but a moderate? If anything, I'd actually call him Center Left.

If I saw more action against corporations, or more action to reduce the size of the bureaucratic apparatus, I'd move him to slightly right of center, but everything he's done is the same kind of shit a Clintonian neoliberal would have pushed in the 90s, without question.

 

[Kulee Baba]

"SHE WAS PRETENDING TO BE 15 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK!"

Who fucking cares? Sacha Baron Cohen hasn't been funny since the Bush administration.

 

[The Pink Panther]

How is he anything but a moderate? If anything, I'd actually call him Center Left.

That's going a little far buddy.

Economically right-wing, socially liberal, culturally conservative, is pretty much where he lines up. That ain't exactly center-left; he's more center-right, desu.

 

[Screw Danlon]

Not really. I have said I didn't like him and shit on him for things (like being a touchy feely boomer, saying "you're not black if you don't vote for me" and other crap). I am not a huge fan overall, but I am a huge fan compared to Trump. However, people on this site who claim to be "moderate" sure spend a lot of time defending every single thing Trump does.

When the media has tilted at windmills to the point that they can unironically say “Trump is the worst president in history”, saying “No, he’s actually not”. *IS* a moderate position. Saying that Trump isn’t Hitler/Voledmort/PolPot/Zod is a pretty neutral and balanced opinion.

I’ve even said as much to you before - if the news was simply sane and rational about him, most people would be like “yeah, he’s mediocre” and not care either way. Kind of like how even though I thought Bush was an ok guy, I also thought people making fun of him was hilarious.

But because people have been pushed to such extremes, and because our culture abhors a vacuum of opinions, people either have to be vocally anti-Trump or be seen as sucking his balls.

 

[Trapitalism]

Was Sacha Baron Cohen gang raped by a bunch of Republicans as a kid? What the fuck happened to him to make him so deranged and hateful?

The answer lies in the "Early life" section of his Wikipedia article, (((Cohen))) indee...

Note: I will not accept his last name in triple parentheses as a valid argument

I mean that it is a total mystery.

 

[mr.moon1488]

That's going a little far buddy.

Economically right-wing, socially liberal, culturally conservative, is pretty much where he lines up. That ain't exactly center-left; he's more center-right, desu.

That's pretty much only if you use modern secular democratic standards. To all of your points, he's a mercantilist lite on the economic front. Outside of modern times, no one would have accepted a system wherein it was acceptable for the patrician class to outright call themselves "multinational companies" and then defer all loyalty to their home nations. On the socially liberal thing, yes he's mostly left-leaning in that he takes a huge laissez-faire stance on this, so on this, I agree with you. As for culturally conservative, this really is a topic that completely hinges on what you set as the standard. I would define someone as "culturally conservative" if they were absolutely defenders of their own cultures, which Trump is not. The most "culturally conservative" thing Trump has done has been to press for the stemming of immigration, which he has not really done all that effectively.

 

[The Pink Panther]

I would define someone as "culturally conservative" if they were absolutely defenders of their own cultures, which Trump is not. The most "culturally conservative" thing Trump has done has been to press for the stemming of immigration, which he has not really done all that effectively.

He's a civnat.

Does that count? I would count that in the literal terms as being "culturally conservative" by American standards.

 

[muh_moobs]

Trying to place Trump on the political spectrum is a rather difficult thing to do, but I think you've all gotten it wrong. Trump is a "Republican" in the classical sense of the word. Once upon a time this was a VERY left of center position and by all reasonable measures still should be, but times have changed and the political spectrum has been completely flipped.

The left/right paradigm as it is understood post-enlightenment was originally Republicanism vs Royalism, or individualism vs. authoritarianism. The "American identity" as it solidified with the ratification of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights was a nation built on the rawest concepts of individualism. This would establish America as a liberal nation, both then and now.

However, the "progressives", people who have come to value change for it's own sake regardless of the consequences, have moved "the left" so far left they've come all the way back around to authoritarianism. While "conservatism" is usually regarded as someone trying to hold on to traditions and older ways of thinking, the split is between the emergence of America and classical Europe.

So, while to any reasonable person Trump would be a absolute centerist, in clown world he is unquestionably right of center as he is "conserving" AMERICAN traditions and old ways of thinking; we're all equal and a man should be free to do as he pleases so long as he does not interfere with anyone else when doing so, and that violence is only appropriate to stop one man from intruding upon the rights of another.

There is no "ethnic identity" in America to be maintained as it's always been a transient, racially diverse nation. There's no "religious identity" for similar reasons. The only thing an "American" conservative seeks to conserve are American principles.

the company that produces OxyContin pleaded guilty to an $8b lawsuit and had to close its doors.

Off topic, but unless there's SEC involvement to prevent the owners from conducting business, that doesn't mean that much, though. The owners probably set it up as an LLC or some other corporate shell that lets them avoid personal financial responsibility. They'll just shuffle the money around, declare bankruptcy, dissolve the current company, and start up a new one.

The only think different is that they'll get new office furniture. They probably won't even change offices.

 

[AnnLurker]

I think that the most frightening way I can really respond to that is to say that's because Trump is actually fairly moderate. It sounds completely insane, but if you stop and analyze his positions and policies and compare him to even the Neo-Cons of the previous 'generation' of Republicans, he has very few similarities to them. He's hopped party affiliations multiple times in the past, but he's always been fairly liberal-minded, just not in the modern sense because modern Liberalism is insane.

If you stuck him down in the middle of the Democratic party 15-20 years ago, he wouldn't even really stand out apart from the fact that he was never against gay marriage and all of them hated it at the time, and even the Democrats thumped their Bibles pretty frequently back in the day. Otherwise, none of his policies have really budged throughout the years. You can find interviews with him saying the same things in the 1980s that he says today.

Apart from some mild nationalism a la America First and securing the borders--Which even the DNC was all gung-ho about prior to 2016--and the occasional blurb about Christianity--which also was just Politics 101 prior to 2016--Trump really isn't that far off to the right, they've just shoved the Overton Window so violently over the past decade that it makes him seem like he's way off on that side of the field.

But like, he's fine with gay marriage, he doesn't try to force Christianity into everything, he's worked extensively to help "level the playing field" for minorities by targeting their unemployment rates and helping to rip out unfair practices in the judicial system with the criminal justice reform, he's unquestionably pro-Israel, he's exceedingly anti-war, and his administration spends its recreational time slamming multinational corporations with a bat for trying to bypass the American economy and circumvent sanctions against the countries trying to rob us of our manufacturing, or crushing down on "Big Pharma" so hard that the company that produces OxyContin pleaded guilty to an $8b lawsuit and had to close its doors.

How is he anything but a moderate? If anything, I'd actually call him Center Left.

Four words define all TDS: IT WAS HER TURN

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Sasha is a satirist and a comedian

 

[Secret Asshole]

Why would Biden's campaign deny the content of the laptop? Hunter isn't running for president.

I am totally sure that Hunter flew 2000 miles to drop off a laptop at some random IT shop, where the guy who ran it didn't recognize him, and then Hunter couldn't somehow come up with $85 to pick up his laptop with incriminating evidence on it. Oh, and you will totally believe unnamed sources and random blogs about that story, but not about other stuff. I got a bridge for sale, would you like to buy it?

Because it establishes that Hunter was an intermediary between a vice president and foreign interests? That Biden used his position to enrich himself?

Are you fucking loony? Hunter Biden is a fucking crackhead. Crackheads, no matter who they are, do shit like this all. the. fucking. time. He smoked so much crack and meth that he had to have his teeth replaced. And where did these magic photos come from? Did Hunter Biden put these photos on the internet himself of his fucking meth mouth? Crackheads don't have the best judgement skills. Hunter Biden's lawyer also tried to get the hard drive back. Biden isn't saying they're false. There's way more evidence to this than there was ever anything on Russia.

We've got the Director of National Intelligence saying it isn't foreign disinformation. The FBI and the CIA have nothing further to add to this, meaning they have no evidence of it being disinformation. So what, Trump just mystically made this up and hacked Hunter's phone? And then Biden doesn't bother denying that, we've got video evidence of him saying he wanted a prosecutor gone that was causing trouble for his son and purposefully withheld military aid to Ukraine to remove him. So we already know all this.

Why isn't anyone in a position where it matters most denying it is fake? Where is Hunter Biden? Why doesn't he come out and say he has a drug problem but the e-mails are fake? Why didn't Biden? Why did his lawyer try to get the hard drive back? We have more than enough evidence outside of anonymous sources on an email chain to corroborate the story.

I think that the most frightening way I can really respond to that is to say that's because Trump is actually fairly moderate. It sounds completely insane, but if you stop and analyze his positions and policies and compare him to even the Neo-Cons of the previous 'generation' of Republicans, he has very few similarities to them. He's hopped party affiliations multiple times in the past, but he's always been fairly liberal-minded, just not in the modern sense because modern Liberalism is insane.

If you stuck him down in the middle of the Democratic party 15-20 years ago, he wouldn't even really stand out apart from the fact that he was never against gay marriage and all of them hated it at the time, and even the Democrats thumped their Bibles pretty frequently back in the day. Otherwise, none of his policies have really budged throughout the years. You can find interviews with him saying the same things in the 1980s that he says today.

Apart from some mild nationalism a la America First and securing the borders--Which even the DNC was all gung-ho about prior to 2016--and the occasional blurb about Christianity--which also was just Politics 101 prior to 2016--Trump really isn't that far off to the right, they've just shoved the Overton Window so violently over the past decade that it makes him seem like he's way off on that side of the field.

But like, he's fine with gay marriage, he doesn't try to force Christianity into everything, he's worked extensively to help "level the playing field" for minorities by targeting their unemployment rates and helping to rip out unfair practices in the judicial system with the criminal justice reform, he's unquestionably pro-Israel, he's exceedingly anti-war, and his administration spends its recreational time slamming multinational corporations with a bat for trying to bypass the American economy and circumvent sanctions against the countries trying to rob us of our manufacturing, or crushing down on "Big Pharma" so hard that the company that produces OxyContin pleaded guilty to an $8b lawsuit and had to close its doors.

How is he anything but a moderate? If anything, I'd actually call him Center Left.

Yeah, I wouldn't say center left. Definitely more of a moderate republican or a center-right Republican.

 

[mr.moon1488]

He's a civnat.

Does that count? I would count that in the literal terms as being "culturally conservative" by American standards.

Honestly, to me, "civic nationalism" the delusion that because the people who took over your society now support "your society" post take over, that this is somehow a "victory" for your now non-existent society.

 

[Andrew Neiman]

If this stunt had involved a progressive politician rather than Giuliani, I doubt there would be an entire thread full of people tying themselves in knots over it.

 

[muh_moobs]

Honestly, to me, "civic nationalism" the delusion that because the people who took over your society now support "your society" post take over, that this is somehow a "victory" for your now non-existent society.

No, civic nationalism is basically Imperial Japan during the isolationist period. Super proud of who and what you are but not trying to forcefully adapt other nations to those standards or absorb other nations/territories into your country.

 

[RollerGator]

If this stunt had involved a progressive politician rather than Giuliani, I doubt there would be an entire thread full of people tying themselves in knots over it.

Yes because this site is just full of hardcore Giuliani lovers

 

[The Pink Panther]

Honestly, to me, "civic nationalism" the delusion that because the people who took over your society now support "your society" post take over, that this is somehow a "victory" for your now non-existent society.

No, civic nationalism is basically Imperial Japan during the isolationist period. Super proud of who and what you are but not trying to forcefully adapt other nations to those standards or absorb other nations/territories into your country.

Moobs said it in better words than I.

It's also nationalism that is based on national identity rather than race characteristics. Not really a matter of domination over nations or minority influx. America was still civnat when it was 90% white, you realize that, right?

 

[mr.moon1488]

Moobs said it in better words than I.

It's also nationalism that is based on national identity rather than race characteristics. Not really a matter of domination over nations or minority influx. America was still civnat when it was 90% white, you realize that, right?

>America was still civnat when it was 90% white, you realize that, right?
Yeah, now it's not. That shit worked out great huh?

 

[The Pink Panther]

>America was still civnat when it was 90% white, you realize that, right?
Yeah, now it's not. That shit worked out great huh?

It still is.

It's just that uhhhh...now there's like uhhhh...you know more people that ain't.