RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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I'm seeing this show for the last 3 Volumes just to see how much more downhill it can go. Which is why my expectations are non-existent.

But even then I feel disappointed in how they're doing things at this point. Seriously, they just DBZ'd Emerald with the "yesterday's enemy is today's homie" thing. Worst part is, I know they'll render this useless somehow when Cinder comes back.
 
Xenomorphs Are Cute said:
I'm seeing this show for the last 3 Volumes just to see how much more downhill it can go. Which is why my expectations are non-existent.

But even then I feel disappointed in how they're doing things at this point. Seriously, they just DBZ'd Emerald with the "yesterday's enemy is today's homie" thing. Worst part is, I know they'll render this useless somehow when Cinder comes back.
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You think that they'll do things where Emerald is playing some long game as part of a way for Cinder to gain more power and grind Team RWBY into dust? Especialy since Salem is out of commission now and there's nothing stopping Cinder form exacting revenge on Ruby and she can be more than someone's lackey?
 
Random Dyke said:
Another issue is that 1) they're getting some of the points WRONG (for example, it's not that Ruby is too optimistic... it's the fact that she's impulsive and makes really stupid decisions sometimes) and 2) they're wasting all of this time crying and shit when thousands of people are going to die in an hour
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There's also some inconsistency regarding the status of the main characters. When they make decisions of their own without considering how others will be affected, they're seen as mature adults, but as soon as someone like Ruby gets overwhelmed by the consequences of something they chose to do, they're seen as innocent children, relieving them of any responsibility.
 
Chilson said:
Volume 8 is the definition of "insecure coping". Its like they are finally listening to all the critics, but they are trying to resolve all the criticism's in the worst ways possible through a strange mix of extreme ineptitude and their massive unearned ego's.
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A lot of the worst scenes of the Volume especially have this vibe of pandering to criticism communities by giving them scenes the writers think they want, but the problem is that they either bungle the delibery or think that if they just make a sly reference to the thing they're addressing that absolves them.

So you have something like Watts roasting Cinder for being a failure and the stans go "Wow so cool! Cinder's failures are a deliberate character flaw!" when in truth it's just them having a character mock another one for losing after realizing how often they had Cinder take a dive. Or having Ren explain why the Ace Ops lost in Volume 7 (which marked like the fifth fucking time in and out of the show they had to explain the Ace Ops lost, which reeks of them being pissed off that people called bullshit on the fight) with his Deus Ex Machina semblance. Or Ren straight up saying he doesn't think RWBYJNPR were ready, but because RWBY has protagonist centered morality, Ren is ostracised from the group until he apologizies for... airing his grievances.

(Side note, Nora calling out Ren for his bad attitude given his criticisms of the team's approach really feels like CRWBY trying to make a point regarding the criticism the show gets that a bad attitude will get you nowhere, but the metaphor falls apart when Ren, is treated like dogshit and told to fuck off until they say sorry like what happens with most critics of the show)

People wanted an Emerald redemption but now she's just part of the gang with no real stress about it even though there's a lot of unresolved things on Emerald's side like her bond with Mercury and the nature of her relationship with Cinder, to say nothing of the team giving Emerald more of a fair shake than Ozpin.
 
Also, wanna bet that, even though they trust Emerald now, no one is going to think to probe her for information about Salem and the other villains? Because nothing makes a conflict more interesting than nobody having any interest in actually asking questions.
 
this episode felt so much like a tim buckley comic with all the fucking words words words and doing literally nothing i almost forgot there was a threat of a city about to be nuked in the background

to be fair though i skipped good chunks of the episode because it was just rambling about shit i didnt care about so maybe they sprinkled in a ironwood bad in there
 
A Snek said:
this episode felt so much like a tim buckley comic with all the fucking words words words and doing literally nothing i almost forgot there was a threat of a city about to be nuked in the background
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It's funny you mention that since the OP mentions that RWBY is like an adaptation of a shitty webcomic.
 

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Lots to unpack here. Or at least a decent amount.
 
Chilson said:
Dude is not wrong tbh. RWBY would have been shitcanned after season 4 by any competent studio. The only reason it can still go on is due to RT appealing massively to online weeb autists and making it on the cheap by fucking over employees both by underpaying and overworking them.
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Yeah, I'm actually surprised Warner doesn't cancel it themselves.

Or wait, I'm not, because Warner themselves are basically Rooster Teeth in terms of their poor decisions. The only difference is that RT's the incompetent underling to their just as incompetent boss.
 
Chilson said:
Dude is not wrong tbh. RWBY would have been shitcanned after season 4 by any competent studio. The only reason it can still go on is due to RT appealing massively to online weeb autists and making it on the cheap by fucking over employees both by underpaying and overworking them.
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RWBY does (I imagine) extremely well from a corporation/money standpoint.

RoosterTeeth has the show and frequently tries to monetize it further by tying it into some type of subscription service. They don't pay any/many "big name" voice actors - everyone who works on the show typically works in the company in some other respect/does it for fun/free, etc. The creator died and probably didn't name anyone to "own" his part in the show, either (wasn't married, no kids) so RT probably gets a bigger piece of the pie on that end as well.

They license the fuck out of RWBY - there's like 3 "main" games, but RWBY characters are also licensed out in another 10+ more games (most famously BBTag). There are piles of licensed merch (manga, posters, shirts, whatever) that probably do very well even with the show's waning popularity. Even when the show is over, it will continue to make money because of the licensing.

The show probably makes enough money for Warner to not question how RT is run or care much about the quality of the show. Companies only care much about oversight when the product starts performing badly, from a financial standpoint - meaning that RT is likely free to run itself into the ground with RWBY.
 
Tanner Glass said:
RWBY does (I imagine) extremely well from a corporation/money standpoint.

RoosterTeeth has the show and frequently tries to monetize it further by tying it into some type of subscription service. They don't pay any/many "big name" voice actors - everyone who works on the show typically works in the company in some other respect/does it for fun/free, etc. The creator died and probably didn't name anyone to "own" his part in the show, either (wasn't married, no kids) so RT probably gets a bigger piece of the pie on that end as well.

They license the fuck out of RWBY - there's like 3 "main" games, but RWBY characters are also licensed out in another 10+ more games (most famously BBTag). There are piles of licensed merch (manga, posters, shirts, whatever) that probably do very well even with the show's waning popularity. Even when the show is over, it will continue to make money because of the licensing.

The show probably makes enough money for Warner to not question how RT is run or care much about the quality of the show. Companies only care much about oversight when the product starts performing badly, from a financial standpoint - meaning that RT is likely free to run itself into the ground with RWBY.
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I'm not certain how well RWBY does from a financial standpoint even with it's dwindling popularity. Warner is probably fine to let it continue for now to diversify it's portfolio and that they are breaking a small profit but I doubt the company is riding well especially not nearly as well as in their heyday. They are probably licensing things heavily to trying brand out and fill in the gaps financially from their fandom dwindling but that will only last for so long.

They have also been known known to crunch their employees, not pay them well, and not pay their overtime which has built a terrible employment reputation especially during the Genlock and RWBY disaster earlier in this tread.

Monty Ohm was married to Sheena Duquette at the time of his death but I am not sure if she gets any kind of royalty check or not with the employment contract he signed with Roosterteeth.
 
PeacefulViewer said:
I'm not certain how well RWBY does from a financial standpoint even with it's dwindling popularity. Warner is probably fine to let it continue for now to diversify it's portfolio and that they are breaking a small profit but I doubt the company is riding well especially not nearly as well as in their heyday. They are probably licensing things heavily to trying brand out and fill in the gaps financially from their fandom dwindling but that will only last for so long.

They have also been known known to crunch their employees, not pay them well, and not pay their overtime which has built a terrible employment reputation especially during the Genlock and RWBY disaster earlier in this tread.

Monty Ohm was married to Sheena Duquette at the time of his death but I am not sure if she gets any kind of royalty check or not with the employment contract he signed with Roosterteeth.
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The money is in the existing assets that are already created - the characters, songs, etc. It doesn't matter if RT sinks into the ground at this point, they're going to still make money off of the brand.

I thought the big drama is that Monty and Sheena were never "really" married (and I'd need more than a reddit AMA as a source) so even though they were engaged - she had no legal right to any of his assets. I know RoosterTeeth paid her $250k when Monty died, but that was more of a PR move and not a legal one.
 
I mean, does RWBY really do that well nowadays? The phone game got killed because it couldn't sustain enough interest, most of the manga were short-lived and essentially promotional material for the early volumes, it stopped getting a Japanese dub because the interested died out, etc etc.
 
Tism the Return said:
I mean, does RWBY really do that well nowadays? The phone game got killed because it couldn't sustain enough interest, most of the manga were short-lived and essentially promotional material for the early volumes, it stopped getting a Japanese dub because the interested died out, etc etc.
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It's not about how much money it makes - it's about how much money it costs vs how much money it makes.

Like - the show is shoddy, but it's also cheaply made, which boosts it's profitability. They don't pay much for VAs, they don't pay much for animators, they don't pay much for advertising, they don't pay much for music, etc - which are all things that "bigger" shows spend tons of cash on.

It costs RoosterTeeth $0 to license the characters/brand - so even if the revenue streams die out (like the phone game) - it still was generating nothing but effortless profit the entire time it existed and this is multiplied by every place they license the characters out. They don't need everything to be massively successful - they have virtually no risk in this line of business (the person buying the license is the one that carries the risk in this case).

It isn't a gigantic pile of money, but it's absolutely enough for the parent company to not look super closely at the financials and wonder why so many people have senior titles/salaries and how many people work there were brought on as "my wife, girlfriend, or friend".
 
Tanner Glass said:
The money is in the existing assets that are already created - the characters, songs, etc. It doesn't matter if RT sinks into the ground at this point, they're going to still make money off of the brand.

I thought the big drama is that Monty and Sheena were never "really" married (and I'd need more than a reddit AMA as a source) so even though they were engaged - she had no legal right to any of his assets. I know RoosterTeeth paid her $250k when Monty died, but that was more of a PR move and not a legal one.
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While the first part is true, that doesn't last forever and still doesn't take away that they might be doing a lot more licensing and merchandise due to dwindling returns of views. As Tism said above, the phone gamem video game division, Japanese dub, and manga got killed due to non-sustained interest and low sales.

I'm not sure if Monty and Sheena were or weren't legally married. I thought they married in May 10th, 2014. They might be that they paid her $250,000 due to an existing contact that Monty signed as a lump sum or as you stated, a PR move due to her being vocal on her disapproval of how RWBY was going after Monty's passing along with Shane.
 
Tanner Glass said:
I thought the big drama is that Monty and Sheena were never "really" married (and I'd need more than a reddit AMA as a source) so even though they were engaged - she had no legal right to any of his assets. I know RoosterTeeth paid her $250k when Monty died, but that was more of a PR move and not a legal one.
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From what I've heard, Monty and Sheena had basically eloped, and had Monty not died, they'd do a bigger wedding with family and friends sometime in 2015.
 
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PeacefulViewer said:
While the first part is true, that doesn't last forever and still doesn't take away that they might be doing a lot more licensing and merchandise due to dwindling returns of views. As Tism said above, the phone gamem video game division, Japanese dub, and manga got killed due to non-sustained interest and low sales.

I'm not sure if Monty and Sheena were or weren't legally married. I thought they married in May 10th, 2014. They might be that they paid her $250,000 due to an existing contact that Monty signed as a lump sum or as you stated, a PR move due to her being vocal on her disapproval of how RWBY was going after Monty's passing along with Shane.
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They allegedly married on that date, but it was never talked about or addressed. They were dating for a single year - most people (including his close friends and family) were unaware until she threw up the GoFundMe when he fell ill. She says they were married, but all that exists is a single facebook post about it. She's still in the country, but America does not give a single fuck about anyone overstaying a visa.

It seems like people think she's lying and/or they got secret married for her visa application. Either way, it appears that RWBY's legal team felt she doesn't have any legal standing over RWBY's ownership (as she isn't involved in any way).
 
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