RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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The Schrodinger's Cat of what a Monty directed RWBY could've been is interesting. Would it have been good, bad, mediocre, a quality rollercoaster?

Whatever Monty did have planned is irrelevant now because the version of the show we did get is hot garbage, so people speculate, "What if it was actually good?"

The idealized version of what could've been exists in the minds of a lot of passionate fans.

That translates to a lot of analysis videos, fanfiction, and fan projects trying to do justice by these concepts for an anime stylized late 2000's early 2010's "Rule of Cool" science fantasy setting.

I think that's why it is still talked about even now. The ever powerful question of "What if?"
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
I highly doubt Monty had a "plan" as opposed to "ramblings" and Shane's letter has always been something that I took with a massive grain of salt.
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Given how much Monty made last minute changes to the series and hell, the number of one off characters that became mainstays is telling of how unplanned the whole thing was.
 
Every few months the discussion of "Monty's vision" comes up and every time its the same answer people. We should honestly just put it in the OP at this point since it gets brought up so much.

Monty had as many "visions" as there were days he was working on RWBY. He is not a good showrunner and constantly changed his mind on what RWBY was supposed to be. He should have remained a animation director with minimal story input. Not to say Kerry and Miles would have done better, they have proven they can't. But Monty was just as bad if not worse because he consistently fucked over everyone working on this with last minute changes.

Shane, Sheena, Kerry, Miles and whoever else he told his "vision" to all got a different ideas on what RWBY was supposed to be because he changed his mind every time he told them what it was. Miles and Kerry ABSOLUTELY scrapped all his nonsense and made their own thing though. They had to because Monty didn't leave them with anything close to a coherent plot.

Shane is mad salty he didn't get Monty's job, Sheena is a stupid greedy e-thot whore who indirectly killed Monty, M&K are hack frauds with no talent. Seasons 1-3 had potential for something more, but in reality are sub par trash. There, that is all there is to Monty's mythical vision.
 
Chilson said:
Every few months the discussion of "Monty's vision" comes up and every time its the same answer people. We should honestly just put it in the OP at this point since it gets brought up so much.

Monty had as many "visions" as there were days he was working on RWBY. He is not a good showrunner and constantly changed his mind on what RWBY was supposed to be. He should have remained a animation director with minimal story input. Not to say Kerry and Miles would have done better, they have proven they can't. But Monty was just as bad if not worse because he consistently fucked over everyone working on this with last minute changes.

Shane, Sheena, Kerry, Miles and whoever else he told his "vision" to all got a different ideas on what RWBY was supposed to be because he changed his mind every time he told them what it was. Miles and Kerry ABSOLUTELY scrapped all his nonsense and made their own thing though. They had to because Monty didn't leave them with anything close to a coherent plot.

Shane is mad salty he didn't get Monty's job, Sheena is a stupid greedy e-thot whore who indirectly killed Monty, M&K are hack frauds with no talent. Seasons 1-3 had potential for something more, but in reality are sub par trash. There, that is all there is to Monty's mythical vision.
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@Fougaro I think you have potential OP material.

Chilson said:
Monty had as many "visions" as there were days he was working on RWBY. He is not a good showrunner and constantly changed his mind on what RWBY was supposed to be. He should have remained a animation director with minimal story input. Not to say Kerry and Miles would have done better, they have proven they can't. But Monty was just as bad if not worse because he consistently fucked over everyone working on this with last minute changes.
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And he died before any of those last minute changes could fail. Which made him look a genius visionary, especially compared to what Miles and Kerry have brought to the table
 
I think the reason people harp on "Monty's vision" so much is that the crew don't really animate a lot of fight scenes or have a team dedicated to making them, thinking a deep plot or meaningful characters would be the better replacement for a main feature that was the selling point for RWBY.
 
LordBaron said:
I think the reason people harp on "Monty's vision" so much is that the crew don't really animate a lot of fight scenes or have a team dedicated to making them, thinking a deep plot or meaningful characters would be the better replacement for a main feature that was the selling point for RWBY.
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I’d say the issue was the show was never able to find the proper balance between the two aspects. And you could argue they still haven’t.
 
Xenomorphs Are Cute said:
Shane's letter is somewhere between a biased, borderline simpy, love letter for Sheena, with a bit of seethe in it. And a Nostradamus prophecy for Rooster Teeth becomes later on.
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Tism the Return said:
Yes, bet you Monty's plan was a bunch of scribbles on a napkin and glorified ramblings. Somehow I doubt his plan for whatever number of volumes he came up with was very well detailed if there was one at all.
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ChevroletBlackboard said:
I think Monty's planning was very much like how you'd talk about a book you're writing in your head where you have some big core beats planned out very well, alongside a lot of smaller stuff on the side, but nothing to really connect the big things.

I also doubt he ever wrote most of this shit down, meaning most of the ideas and concepts died with him, and that if RWBY even has a series bible, it was written after Monty died.
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Sup3r said:
Given how much Monty made last minute changes to the series and hell, the number of one off characters that became mainstays is telling of how unplanned the whole thing was.
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Pretty much all of this but you also must remember that Shane was being cut out of the show/production/company as a whole and so you could easily apply ulterior motive to the letter. His tone towards Sheena is also really thirsty which doesn't help that any.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Pretty much all of this but you also must remember that Shane was being cut out of the show/production/company as a whole and so you could easily apply ulterior motive to the letter. His tone towards Sheena is also really thirsty which doesn't help that any.
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Shane saw himself as far more important than he was, that being Monty's right hand when he was just another animator who shared Monty's shit work life balance. He wasn't "cut out" of the production as his job was to animate what he was told to. He was hired as an animator and was fired for refusing to do his job as an animator. By his own admission, he was only there for Monty.
 
Sup3r said:
Shane saw himself as far more important than he was, that being Monty's right hand when he was just another animator who shared Monty's shit work life balance. He wasn't "cut out" of the production as his job was to animate what he was told to. He was hired as an animator and was fired for refusing to do his job as an animator. By his own admission, he was only there for Monty.
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You're right and I misspoke, but the fact is that he didn't have a job and Monty-Senpai just died. There's a very easy argument to be made for ulterior motive in that letter.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
You're right and I misspoke, but the fact is that he didn't have a job and Monty-Senpai just died. There's a very easy argument to be made for ulterior motive in that letter.
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The fact that he namedrops the two chucklefucks that were in charge a grand total of once (in reference to Monty sneaking a scene into volume 1 with Miles not knowing and Kerry isn't mentioned at all) indicates this. He admitted to fighting RT at every point, especially with the changes to production. He refused to back down from Sheena voicing a specific character (Winter, who Shane claims that Monty had originally based on sheena before the original design was thrown out, I'd hate to see the original design then) as he was told that if she wanted to be a va in the show, she could just audition for it.

My guess is that he was upset that he wasn't considered to replace Monty as showrunner. After all he admits that he wasn't there for RT as a company but purely to work with Monty. He saw RWBY as Monty's and his work, not acknowledging the two names that come up in the writer's credit or even the co-director's credit.

And he behaved like no one else at RT was mourning Monty.
 
Sup3r said:
He refused to back down from Sheena voicing a specific character (Winter, who Shane claims that Monty had originally based on sheena before the original design was thrown out, I'd hate to see the original design then) as he was told that if she wanted to be a va in the show, she could just audition for it.
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And then he said that RT was stacking the deck against her because Sheena had to audition against professional VAs.
 
Random Internet Person said:
And then he said that RT was stacking the deck against her because Sheena had to audition against professional VAs.
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To be fair, looking at Sheena having to face off against the likes of Elizabeth Maxwell while then turning around to see Anna Hullum be given the role of Raven with no contest must have stung.

Sheena has herself also confirmed IIRC that she was gonna voice Winter.
 
Sup3r said:
Shane saw himself as far more important than he was
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Wasn’t he responsible for Pyrrha vs Cardin way back in season 3? I thought he was good at animating fights at the time, that if he’s been kept on then RWBY’s action would look less shit but now I’m thinking it would’ve been milky as hell if he stayed on the team (not good for RT but great for the thread).
 
ChevroletBlackboard said:
To be fair, looking at Sheena having to face off against the likes of Elizabeth Maxwell while then turning around to see Anna Hullum be given the role of Raven with no contest must have stung.

Sheena has herself also confirmed IIRC that she was gonna voice Winter.
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And from what I’ve heard, Anna Hullum was….not good.
 
BroccoliBrain said:
Wasn’t he responsible for Pyrrha vs Cardin way back in season 3? I thought he was good at animating fights at the time, that if he’s been kept on then RWBY’s action would look less shit but now I’m thinking it would’ve been milky as hell if he stayed on the team (not good for RT but great for the thread).
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But he saw himself as Monty's number 2. He saw himself as the only one working at RT who knew what Monty's vision was for the series. He was simply another animator working there, one who seemingly refused to integrate himself inside the company, and that isn't including everything that happened afterwards.

He admitted to barely trying to finish his workload and spent more time trying to argue with his superiors, often asking for help with his work and being ungrateful just because it wasn't the people he wanted. His whole issue was that his ego far outreaches his capacity and job role. If he had simply kept his head down, he may have still be working there to this day, or at least left under far better circumstances that meant he didn't commit career suicide.

Fun fact, he actually mentioned the issue of crunch in the letter but his emphasis on his melodrama overshadowed it. He inadvertently allowed for RT's abuse of it's employees by focusing too much on his hurt feelings.
 
I've been going through a few of Unicorn of War's recent videos and, well, it seems like he's not that much of a shill in comparison to Murder of Birds (no matter how many times that tool denies it).
 
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