RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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if They had killed off Jaune instead of Pyyrha would that make the show post beacon better? I think so because look at what they could have done:

1. Pyyrha looking to fuck up Cinder’s world. Would have added so much to best girl and a Depressed/revenge filled Pyyrha would be fun to explore. Plus she’s best girl next to Weiss and Yang.

2. JNPR exactly having a purpose and a story now.

3. Would have added a new dimension to Weiss

4. Ruby’s silver eyes would have fucking made sense.
Listen, much as I hate Jaune and feel like his absence from the show would be a direct improvement, him dying instead of Py would rob the show of one of its, like, four genuine moments of great writing and execution.
Honestly, I like what @Calzaghe has thought up more than what we got. Jaune's Arc (I didn't mean for this to be a pun and I fucking hate myself right now) naturally leads him towards a self-sacrificial end especially to save the women he loves and naturally make Pyrrha far more interesting in the aftermath as she has to deal with being largely responsible for his death. Pyrrha in general is also just a far more interesting character than self-insert Jaune, so its an automatic +1 writing points there.

Pyrrha's death is a genuinely good bit of writing, but it unfortunately only good by itself and leaves very little for other characters to build off of in the aftermath besides Jaune whose arc didn't really need it. Ruby would be absolutely livid over losing her first actual friend at Beacon and give JNPR the kick in the ass they need to start taking shit seriously.

I get that this is all just fanfiction and would require actual competent writers to accomplish it. But it creates a far easier writing environment and gives loads more content for the characters. Good writing typically creates a plot that will make things easier on the writer rather than harder, and killing Jaune instead of Pyrrha does exactly that.

Ironically, killing Jaune off at the fall of beacon would actually reward all the time his character stole from everyone else rather than serve as a further critique of this series god awful writing.
 
Honestly, I like what @Calzaghe has thought up more than what we got. Jaune's Arc (I didn't mean for this to be a pun and I fucking hate myself right now) naturally leads him towards a self-sacrificial end especially to save the women he loves and naturally make Pyrrha far more interesting in the aftermath as she has to deal with being largely responsible for his death. Pyrrha in general is also just a far more interesting character than self-insert Jaune, so its an automatic +1 writing points there.

Pyrrha's death is a genuinely good bit of writing, but it unfortunately only good by itself and leaves very little for other characters to build off of in the aftermath besides Jaune whose arc didn't really need it. Ruby would be absolutely livid over losing her first actual friend at Beacon and give JNPR the kick in the ass they need to start taking shit seriously.

I get that this is all just fanfiction and would require actual competent writers to accomplish it. But it creates a far easier writing environment and gives loads more content for the characters. Good writing typically creates a plot that will make things easier on the writer rather than harder, and killing Jaune instead of Pyrrha does exactly that.

Ironically, killing Jaune off at the fall of beacon would actually reward all the time his character stole from everyone else rather than serve as a further critique of this series god awful writing.
There is one potential problem to all of this.

Jaune plays to the old "underdog audience surrogate" formula, and starts off weak, which means that on paper, he's got plenty of room to grow and develop. Even if he's not malding at Cinder or angsting at Pyrrha's death, you could insert him in any different scenario and he'd still be easier to write on paper. Just ask Coeur Al'Aran - his fanfiction page is literally full of this.

Pyrrha's room for growth is limited unless the writers are smart enough to introduce new arch-nemeses and scenarios to keep Pyrrha more multifaceted than just going on a Cinder vendetta 24/7. Maybe being heartbroken that learning her fairy tale role model Salem was the enemy she must fight is one thing, but honest to God, there needs to be stronger opponents to deal with the power creep that Pyrrha's skill set brings to the table, especially if they have a counter to her magnetism.

Second, Pyrrha is fucking OP, even without a portion of the Maiden powers. Athleticism, Magnetism, a versatile set of weapons, OP martial arts skills - and this leads to the same problem for the animators and writers regarding her power levels and skill set - where in order to give a challenge during combat, they make her stupid or use a random BS the same way they did with the RWBY girls to hold her back to create "stakes" and "tension".

Ironwood, Tyrian and Watts can be brought down because of the metal weapons they use, which kinda steamrolls the oppostion.

Remember Weiss being a "spellcaster" because her Semblance was that versatile and her fighting style more complex to animate? Remember Ruby twirling her weapon like a dipshit and standing around like an idiot? Remember Yang going down in one hit getting whacked with an umbrella in Volume 8?

On paper, fanfictions that explore the "Pyrrha survived" aspect (e.g. Vindicta) might work, but I doubt very strongly that the writers are smart enough to let that happen, especially when they're cramming in that Rapunzel story into the show's canon, and increasing the focus on ending the Salem story ASAP with the pacing.
 
Listen, much as I hate Jaune and feel like his absence from the show would be a direct improvement, him dying instead of Py would rob the show of one of its, like, four genuine moments of great writing and execution.
Morbid curiosity but what are the other three?
 
Second, Pyrrha is fucking OP, even without a portion of the Maiden powers. Athleticism, Magnetism, a versatile set of weapons, OP martial arts skills - and this leads to the same problem for the animators and writers regarding her power levels and skill set - where in order to give a challenge during combat, they make her stupid or use a random BS the same way they did with the RWBY girls to hold her back to create "stakes" and "tension".
Honestly, that’s one of the reasons why I never Pyrrha, I never liked OP heroes. The only time, I like OP characters is usually when it’s a villain.

Like Darkseid, I love watching Darkseid wreck shit with his omega beams.
 
There is one potential problem to all of this.

Jaune plays to the old "underdog audience surrogate" formula, and starts off weak, which means that on paper, he's got plenty of room to grow and develop. Even if he's not malding at Cinder or angsting at Pyrrha's death, you could insert him in any different scenario and he'd still be easier to write on paper. Just ask Coeur Al'Aran - his fanfiction page is literally full of this.

Pyrrha's room for growth is limited unless the writers are smart enough to introduce new arch-nemeses and scenarios to keep Pyrrha more multifaceted than just going on a Cinder vendetta 24/7. Maybe being heartbroken that learning her fairy tale role model Salem was the enemy she must fight is one thing, but honest to God, there needs to be stronger opponents to deal with the power creep that Pyrrha's skill set brings to the table, especially if they have a counter to her magnetism.

Second, Pyrrha is fucking OP, even without a portion of the Maiden powers. Athleticism, Magnetism, a versatile set of weapons, OP martial arts skills - and this leads to the same problem for the animators and writers regarding her power levels and skill set - where in order to give a challenge during combat, they make her stupid or use a random BS the same way they did with the RWBY girls to hold her back to create "stakes" and "tension".

Ironwood, Tyrian and Watts can be brought down because of the metal weapons they use, which kinda steamrolls the oppostion.

Remember Weiss being a "spellcaster" because her Semblance was that versatile and her fighting style more complex to animate? Remember Ruby twirling her weapon like a dipshit and standing around like an idiot? Remember Yang going down in one hit getting whacked with an umbrella in Volume 8?

On paper, fanfictions that explore the "Pyrrha survived" aspect (e.g. Vindicta) might work, but I doubt very strongly that the writers are smart enough to let that happen, especially when they're cramming in that Rapunzel story into the show's canon, and increasing the focus on ending the Salem story ASAP with the pacing.
Honestly I was pursuing a fanfic that was probably the best depiction of JNPR I have ever read. It’s called Silver and it’s quite enjoyable. Much better depiction than on the show. Jaune actually has growth and isn’t a self insert of Miles. Pyrrha is not so op and isn’t automatically like “I love Jaune!” That’s where this came from this idea of if Pyrrha hadn’t died what would that look like.

It’s a shame that even fanfic writers are on a higher level of these rwby writers
 

Too much of a faggot. Jaune was already faggoty enough, but I guess even Miles has his limits.
I mean, Oscar was the second time they did "the nobody who finds himself in the crazy world", but Oscar's more of a way to just keep Ozpin around because he's the key to the bigger conflict.

Also, it ain't like Roman Torchwick would be a better host for Ozpin. Who'd actually try that?

It’s a shame that even fanfic writers are on a higher level of these rwby writers
It ain't like that's a hard bar to get over. Although, fanfiction writers don't have to worry about things like budgets and episode lengths.
 
I mean, Oscar was the second time they did "the nobody who finds himself in the crazy world", but Oscar's more of a way to just keep Ozpin around because he's the key to the bigger conflict.

Also, it ain't like Roman Torchwick would be a better host for Ozpin. Who'd actually try that?


It ain't like that's a hard bar to get over. Although, fanfiction writers don't have to worry about things like budgets and episode lengths.
True, but I was just surprised that the characterization by a fucking fanfic was a lot better than the show itself.
 
Morbid curiosity but what are the other three?
I suppose off the top of my head, the forest team-building episode and exercise, ending with the Nevermore fight, is mostly well-written and enjoyable. In particular the scenes with Ruby and Weiss, the other characters are nowhere near as strong and there's still some wonky moments, but overall Ruby and Weiss starting off hating each other and being catty, to then working together to eliminate the Nevermore is really solid.

Torchwick's death and final confrontation with Ruby is great. It was like writing yourself into the opposite of a corner, his untimely demise and the ideological clash between his brutal practicality and cynicism, versus Ruby's optimistic heroism, was fantastic, tense, and I'd say the closest the show ever got to having a tangible payoff for a theme.

It made me really wish the two had more chemistry and time on-screen leading up to it, but I digress.

I think the last one people usually point to as suspiciously well-written is when Ozpin talks to Ruby at the dance and tells her to lighten up. I guess I'd give special mention to Qrow's introduction and subsequent fight with Winter, as well as Ironwood's reveal and introduction towards the start of V7. I was actually really impressed with the show being willing to build up this iron-fist militarist as actually being very morally sound, right of mind, and approaching the incoming Salem invasion with the kind of intelligent stratagem that showed he really had his shit together. Then they fucked it up by making him go LE CUHRAYZEE of course but still.

Naturally, I'm more inclined to believe that all these good moments are the product of accidental genius, or a ghost writer, and not the actual 'talent' behind the scenes.
 
Torchwick's death and final confrontation with Ruby is great. It was like writing yourself into the opposite of a corner, his untimely demise and the ideological clash between his brutal practicality and cynicism, versus Ruby's optimistic heroism, was fantastic, tense, and I'd say the closest the show ever got to having a tangible payoff for a theme.

It made me really wish the two had more chemistry and time on-screen leading up to it, but I digress.
You want more Ruby and Roman interactions? Celtic Phoenix has you covered.
 
Pyyrha looking to fuck up Cinder’s world. Would have added so much to best girl and a Depressed/revenge filled Pyyrha would be fun to explore. Plus she’s best girl next to Weiss and Yang.
Plus it actually ties into her mythological inspiration, but then again I don't think any of the writers actually know what the Iliad is.
Also, it ain't like Roman Torchwick would be a better host for Ozpin. Who'd actually try that?
Mr. "McNeil" is also writing another book, this time it's a fucking Isekai about a nerd going to a medieval fantasy world and using SCIENCE! to be a marty sue.
 
There is one potential problem to all of this.

Jaune plays to the old "underdog audience surrogate" formula, and starts off weak, which means that on paper, he's got plenty of room to grow and develop. Even if he's not malding at Cinder or angsting at Pyrrha's death, you could insert him in any different scenario and he'd still be easier to write on paper. Just ask Coeur Al'Aran - his fanfiction page is literally full of this.

Pyrrha's room for growth is limited unless the writers are smart enough to introduce new arch-nemeses and scenarios to keep Pyrrha more multifaceted than just going on a Cinder vendetta 24/7. Maybe being heartbroken that learning her fairy tale role model Salem was the enemy she must fight is one thing, but honest to God, there needs to be stronger opponents to deal with the power creep that Pyrrha's skill set brings to the table, especially if they have a counter to her magnetism.

Second, Pyrrha is fucking OP, even without a portion of the Maiden powers. Athleticism, Magnetism, a versatile set of weapons, OP martial arts skills - and this leads to the same problem for the animators and writers regarding her power levels and skill set - where in order to give a challenge during combat, they make her stupid or use a random BS the same way they did with the RWBY girls to hold her back to create "stakes" and "tension".

Ironwood, Tyrian and Watts can be brought down because of the metal weapons they use, which kinda steamrolls the oppostion.

Remember Weiss being a "spellcaster" because her Semblance was that versatile and her fighting style more complex to animate? Remember Ruby twirling her weapon like a dipshit and standing around like an idiot? Remember Yang going down in one hit getting whacked with an umbrella in Volume 8?

On paper, fanfictions that explore the "Pyrrha survived" aspect (e.g. Vindicta) might work, but I doubt very strongly that the writers are smart enough to let that happen, especially when they're cramming in that Rapunzel story into the show's canon, and increasing the focus on ending the Salem story ASAP with the pacing.
I fell like you misunderstood what I was saying. I don't care about power levels as long as they don't break into Mary sue territory. Its pointless DBZ tier discussion that is ultimately meaningless because the writer can change them on a whim. There are lots of ways to beat Pyrrha in a competent writers hands and lots of ways to abuse it, its not completely unbeatable OP please nerf and I am moving on from it.

I am talking about how the characters would actually be affected and develop in response to Jaune's death considering he was for all intents and purposes the shows main character (to everyone's annoyance) and intimately connected with all parties involved. Pyrrha despite having a good death that does make sense, didn't have a whole lot of impact on most of the characters besides Jaune whose death would have made equally as much sense but accomplished far more for everyone else.

Pyrrha, JNPR and RWBY coming to terms with their loss and having to confront Jaune's death is frankly far more POTENTIALLY interesting than Jaune moping around for 3+ volumes while everyone else just doesn't really care because they had no real relationship with her.
 
Mr. "McNeil" is also writing another book, this time it's a fucking Isekai about a nerd going to a medieval fantasy world and using SCIENCE! to be a marty sue.
Wow it's not like that shit isn't done to death already. In a slight medieval nerd tangent, a lot of people really love to write off medieval men as stupid, overzealous, and lacking of self -preservation instinct. When in reality they're pretty fucking intelligent and resourceful than people give them credit for. Anyways, on the topic of his book, if his previous novels and FRWBY is anything to go by; this will just be a terrible rehash of fucking Dr.Stone fused with significant elements of that slime anime and/or goblin slayer with a smidgen of some vidya he's into, along with "I can make SAO better", contemporary politics, and an unhealthy dose of weeaboo lesbian fetishism thrown into the mix.
 

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It’s a shame that even fanfic writers are on a higher level of these rwby writers
When you're dealing with writing that's as amateur as RWBY's is it becomes super duper easy to write a fixfic, fixfic writing is probably the lowest form of fanfiction and it should have no bearing whatsoever on your perception of that author's actual writing ability since using your own characters setting and plot to build your own story from scratch is an order of magnitude more difficult than simply moving around the pieces for another person's property.
 
Mr. "McNeil" is also writing another book, this time it's a fucking Isekai about a nerd going to a medieval fantasy world and using SCIENCE! to be a marty sue.
Wow... haven't heard that premise before.
I get that were pretty mean and pessimistic about RWBY here, but dude is reacting like it raped him as a child. Calm down.
The RWBY hate community is arguably just as autistic as the RWBY love community. They react to everything any official account does or says with the utmost vitriol and spite, like the I.P. personally buttfucked their dying grandmother. One that sticks out is when the official RWBY account posted a dumb "Inside you there are two Weisses" meme and Floof artist was seething and pissing and shitting himself in the replies.

It's a unique I.P. in that it's so universally bad that almost any idiot with a half-baked idea can pitch something that sounds better, and then these weird parasites get a little fanbase of their own built up that treats them like God for having the unbridled genius to say "Oh man, RWBY should have, like, more CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT."

Wow shitstick! Yeah! Nobody thought of that!

Then they get a big ego and feel morally justified in flying off the handle at everything the show does because it gets them engagement.
 
It's a unique I.P. in that it's so universally bad that almost any idiot with a half-baked idea can pitch something that sounds better, and then these weird parasites get a little fanbase of their own built up that treats them like God for having the unbridled genius to say "Oh man, RWBY should have, like, more CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT."

Wow shitstick! Yeah! Nobody thought of that!

Then they get a big ego and feel morally justified in flying off the handle at everything the show does because it gets them engagement.
RTX was a mistake.

I get that were pretty mean and pessimistic about RWBY here, but dude is reacting like it raped him as a child. Calm down.
I mean, isn't V9, considered by some to be ANOTHER make or break volume, being delayed because of a crossover that could put more crunch and strain on the animators in an endeavor that's a way to avoid the Sword of Damocles from coming down not a thing that one should be worried about?
 
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