RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Smith Wesson said:
So the idea that Adam still dies in Mistral without actually him doing some serious damage in Atlas is absurd. Who honestly thinks that Jacques would be a competent pawn to start destabilizing Atlas?
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Oh, you mean the abusive, patriarchal "not-my-faunus" dipshit who tried to get in the way of my queens? How fucking dare you! - every goddamn RWBY cult member that's coping hard right now.
 
Gorillion others said:
Oh, you mean the abusive, patriarchal "not-my-faunus" dipshit who tried to get in the way of my queens? How fucking dare you! - every goddamn RWBY cult member that's coping hard right now.
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Yeah, they still went through with killing him off even though the abuse angle was taken out.
 
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Smith Wesson said:
It's just that I haven't seen a massive dissection of FRWBY Vol 6 here. Should we start digging at FRWBY Vol 6?
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It's probably the worst culmination of all Raymond's bad ideas.
Tom Honks said:
I’ll leave this here
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Can tell Kerry's fingers were hovering over the 'N' key on his keyboard with that last one. What an asshole lmao.
Tom Honks said:
Sorry to double post but here’s the copium from someone who worked on Rwby
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This argument is so gay. "You guys don't understand. We HAD to put in a gigantic lore dump about the gods that don't matter, rather than the scene literally everyone wanted to see. It was production issues!"

Kill yourself. At the very least you could have colored and polished the animatic and put that in as a bonus back when the finale fucking aired.
 
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Tom Honks said:
Sorry to double post but here’s the copium from someone who worked on Rwby

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These people have no idea how the real world works. No wonder RWBY failed. They will all have a rude awakening once they try to get jobs outside RT.

In the real world nobody cares how harsh you had it because we all have it hard. You are not special. The world only cares if you deliver or not. And if you don’t you will eventually get fired or replaced.

I guarantee you that as much as they fish for sympathy on twitter, they would have no mercy if their Starbucks barista messed up their soy Latte or whatever.
 
Mega Black said:
It's probably the worst culmination of all Raymond's bad ideas.
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Pretty much, yeah. He falls into every trap that Miles and Kerry also fall into as far as writing goes and it's made worse because now two of his side characters (one of which is the snarky, wise-cracking, endlessly sardonic self insert) are there too.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
Pretty much, yeah. He falls into every trap that Miles and Kerry also fall into as far as writing goes and it's made worse because now two of his side characters (one of which is the snarky, wise-cracking, endlessly sardonic self insert) are there too.
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This, and I can't remotely comprehend the decisions he makes for how to fix things. His solution to Vol. 6 was to grind the pacing to a halt so the protagonists could mill about doing exciting shit like... Cleaning graffiti? Learn lore? Ruby kills Adam for some reason?

He expands things outward that he shouldn't and cuts things that need expanding. His thought process is truly baffling since he makes all the same mistakes but arguably worse because he removes things that do work well for things that don't, or in favor of developing characters through an endless deluge of one on one conversations that contribute very little for how much time they take up.

That's completely disregarding the horrific mechanical mess that is his writing. His 'narrative essay' format is horrific, neither prose, nor a script, but a Frankenstein's monster of both with a clear lack of editing. He uses incorrect words constantly, his descriptions border on nonsensical, and his insistence on blandly summarizing information in a quirky way rather than just... Writing it out makes for an unpleasant listening and reading experience.

Art, well, he uses entirely volunteer talent. I won't critique people offering their services for free but it is hilarious that he unabashedly profits off of the work of others through this. Volume 6 has some decent moments of fanart, some bad stuff too, it's a mixed bag.
 
Mega Black said:
This, and I can't remotely comprehend the decisions he makes for how to fix things. His solution to Vol. 6 was to grind the pacing to a halt so the protagonists could mill about doing exciting shit like... Cleaning graffiti? Learn lore? Ruby kills Adam for some reason?

He expands things outward that he shouldn't and cuts things that need expanding. His thought process is truly baffling since he makes all the same mistakes but arguably worse because he removes things that do work well for things that don't, or in favor of developing characters through an endless deluge of one on one conversations that contribute very little for how much time they take up.

That's completely disregarding the horrific mechanical mess that is his writing. His 'narrative essay' format is horrific, neither prose, nor a script, but a Frankenstein's monster of both with a clear lack of editing. He uses incorrect words constantly, his descriptions border on nonsensical, and his insistence on blandly summarizing information in a quirky way rather than just... Writing it out makes for an unpleasant listening and reading experience.

Art, well, he uses entirely volunteer talent. I won't critique people offering their services for free but it is hilarious that he unabashedly profits off of the work of others through this. Volume 6 has some decent moments of fanart, some bad stuff too, it's a mixed bag.
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The reasoning behind killing Adam is that apparently the bad guys have TOO MANY cards to play, with Jacques, Ironwood, Salem, Watts, Tyrian at the helm, and that someone just as capable in Atlas can represent the outraged Faunus.

Sure, replacing Adam with a random nobody leader, instead of the canon backstory of Adam who was raised in Atlas, potentially ending in Atlas.

As if the "Ironwood going insane" plot and "discount Trump election Orange Man Bad allegory" were any better plotlines to use in Atlas.
 
Mega Black said:
This argument is so gay. "You guys don't understand. We HAD to put in a gigantic lore dump about the gods that don't matter, rather than the scene literally everyone wanted to see. It was production issues!"
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They've been using that argument since volume 4. "These are just small time corporate nobodies with no budget! As such they need to create a bunch of filler shit that arguably cost them more in the long run because, as a company built atop a couple of guys making an engaging story from just fucking about in Halo, nobody actually knows how to creatively work around budget concerns."

Like, the big team v team battle at the end of volume 5 would flow much better, and would probably be easier on the animators and the budget, if they just didn't have the fights take place in a giant empty hall where we can clearly see where all the fighters are supposed to be in relation to everyone else. Have someone knock a chunk of wall down or something to create things to divide the fights.
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
They've been using that argument since volume 4. "These are just small time corporate nobodies with no budget! As such they need to create a bunch of filler shit that arguably cost them more in the long run because, as a company built atop a couple of guys making an engaging story from just fucking about in Halo, nobody actually knows how to creatively work around budget concerns."

Like, the big team v team battle at the end of volume 5 would flow much better, and would probably be easier on the animators and the budget, if they just didn't have the fights take place in a giant empty hall where we can clearly see where all the fighters are supposed to be in relation to everyone else. Have someone knock a chunk of wall down or something to create things to divide the fights.
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You know, I don’t think RWBY ever did try to do anything dynamic like using the environment as a weapon. It all seemed like a turn based RPG all things considered.
 
Random Internet Person said:
You know, I don’t think RWBY ever did try to do anything dynamic like using the environment as a weapon. It all seemed like a turn based RPG all things considered.
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The first three volumes had more environment interaction during fight scenes, I think, but for the most part the environment is just a fighting game background. That's why most of them are laid out like arenas with virtually no clutter in them.
 
Smith Wesson said:
The reasoning behind killing Adam is that apparently the bad guys have TOO MANY cards to play, with Jacques, Ironwood, Salem, Watts, Tyrian at the helm, and that someone just as capable in Atlas can represent the outraged Faunus.
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I don't mind killing Adam in V6 as part of the rewrite, if anything I feel like RWBY proper should be axing one villain a season anyway. Which is something Raymond hasn't fixed, again, but even made worse since he decided to keep Roman around.

What he fucks up is making it a team battle where Ruby kills him. A team battle could kind of make sense, I suppose, but by handing the kill off to someone completely unrelated to him you rob the scene of any emotional catharais whatsoever. Blake and Yang killing Adam together is the culmination of three seasons of development for them and their relationship, a literal representation of them killing their past and overcoming shared trauma together.

Raymond, who has the literacy of a mongoloid, obviously missed all this so I'm not surprised he fucked it up in favor of making Ruby shoot him in an act of reflex because... I dunno. Shock value? To give her something to do? To try and fix the problem of Ruby not getting to do much in the show? (Even though V6 is ALREADY one of her better seasons, as she gets to heroically defeat both the giant robot and master her silver eyes, both things I think he changed if I remember right.)

That's not to say the main show handles Adam being killed particularly well in the aftermath, since it weirdly never really brings up the kill ever again, but it at least had purpose.
 
Mega Black said:
I don't mind killing Adam in V6 as part of the rewrite, if anything I feel like RWBY proper should be axing one villain a season anyway. Which is something Raymond hasn't fixed, again, but even made worse since he decided to keep Roman around.

What he fucks up is making it a team battle where Ruby kills him. A team battle could kind of make sense, I suppose, but by handing the kill off to someone completely unrelated to him you rob the scene of any emotional catharais whatsoever. Blake and Yang killing Adam together is the culmination of three seasons of development for them and their relationship, a literal representation of them killing their past and overcoming shared trauma together.

Raymond, who has the literacy of a mongoloid, obviously missed all this so I'm not surprised he fucked it up in favor of making Ruby shoot him in an act of reflex because... I dunno. Shock value? To give her something to do? To try and fix the problem of Ruby not getting to do much in the show? (Even though V6 is ALREADY one of her better seasons, as she gets to heroically defeat both the giant robot and master her silver eyes, both things I think he changed if I remember right.)

That's not to say the main show handles Adam being killed particularly well in the aftermath, since it weirdly never really brings up the kill ever again, but it at least had purpose.
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The most I’ve heard in regards to how Adam was treated in the fan circles is to address how Adam as a threat was diminished because of his obsession with Blake. Also, because Adam should have a connection to every member of Team RWBY if you ask some fans.
 
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