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RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future
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I like that. For me, it came down to "Make it more like Phantasy Star Universe, HunterXHunter, and Final Fantasy VIII".
ngl I wrote all of that TL;DR in about two or so hours and conceived it off the top of my head. It is the result of doing a lot of study into storytelling and studying related topics but it wasn't that hard to make a good story and worldbuilding. Seriously, that's what could had been done if Monty were assed to put in the investment. Now that I think about it I refuse to do it because I'm not going help along this shit as I have my own shit to take care of. Tough world, but I'm not a RWBY fan and I don't mesh with what's given in that series. (RWBY honestly is pretty boring ass basic bitch ngl)
Oh I believe that Kerry Shawcross and Miles Luna were handpicked by Monty. I'm still going to call them fucking hacks and posers who can't write anime and J-video game shit worth shit.
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Maybe it's because I'm super procrastinating on shit I need to get done, but what you wrote is compelling I'd like to see more of what you would do. Also, do you have resources on where you picked up storytelling and worldbuilding? If you don't mind powerleveling that is, not that I care to memorize anyone's personal details, I'm just here to lurk interesting conversations.
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Eh, I think this show just didn't work as well after Monty died, and loyal fans kept huffing copium.
It was an amateur team with a talented lead guy who had the touch to make it work.
It was one man's passion project, and his hangers on failed miserably in trying to live up to his level.
It was an amateur team with a talented lead guy who had the touch to make it work.
It was one man's passion project, and his hangers on failed miserably in trying to live up to his level.
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I think that’s the consensus outside the fandom.
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RWBY might had a chance of being successful if Miles and Kerry had being humble enough to admitt they had no talent whatsoever, step down and let an actual writer take over.
But even after the vast majority of the internet told they they sucked they still refused to listen to anyone except for the RT echo chamber. If they truly cared about Mounty that's what they should have done.
Any success they had was because either Mounty or the few talented people that worked for them. Mojojoj for instance. Any success RWBY had was despite them not because them.
But of course their ego was more important and Monty's dream was turned into the poster child of wasted potential.
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I think you could very easily retool what's there into something that works. It really isn't that hard. RWBY's premise and central conflict is perfectly functional, even a solid idea. The monsters and the huntsmen are proxies in an age-old shadow war between two immortal but diametrically opposed beings. That could very easily be made into a compelling conflict if handled, not even differently, but consistently.
Retooling what already exists is fine. I think ripping everything out by the roots and turning it into a completely different idea is not a good idea because the core is what makes RWBY interesting to begin with.
Basically. When Monty died RWBY crashed and burned because there wasn't a super-autist on board to keep the hype train and good elements trucking. The idiots left behind could only do what they'd already been doing, aping other stuff badly as they tried to turn the show into something it wasn't.
When Monty died they decided to make the show purely corporate in design, but somehow, they still had Miles and Kerry acting as sole writers AND directors. RT not putting someone in charge to tard wrangle was undoubtedly one of their biggest mistakes.
Putting retards with no talent in charge after the people who actually made the thing people like leave (either by their own will or not) is AS CORPORATE as you can get.
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Think it was more lightning in a bottle and doomed either way. The shift of antagonists from the energetic torchwick and savage grim to the forever smug plot will be broken for my retarded ideas to work cinder was the death knell.
Just a weird tone shift I doubt it would have survived.
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Honestly, I think if it was structured better, Cinder and Salem could have worked. It’d be like Sonic: Cinder would be Dr. Eggman, and then once certain conditions are met (whatever RWBY’s version of “collect the Chaos Emeralds” would be), then you have the TRUE ending and TRUE final boss that is Salem.
I might be going against the grain here for thinking some ideas here aren’t on their face terrible, or have the setup to be at least decent, which is probably what these rewrite folks like Celtic Phoenix probably think as well, but I’ve also come to the conclusion that it’d be more fun to make your original thing. Maybe even with those ideas.
I won’t say it was an “ego” thing. I’d say it was more “underestimated the work needed to solve conflicts that can’t be fixed by punching that conflict in the face”. And never bothered to improve while making that same mistake constantly. Maybe that’s just me not wanting to tear Miles and Kerry to shreds as hard as everyone else here.
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Moreso that usually corporations have the writers then someone above them to actually keep things consistent and cobble shit together. RT lost Monty then decided M/K were good enough and just left them to their own devices. Gray was head of animation but clearly had no interest in actually being the head. N
I think the swerve into a darker narrative could work if the transition was smoother and, you know, the writing not-shit.
As it stands, you hit V4 and you are basically watching an entirely different show starring different characters, with nothing being consistent with what was established in V1-3, to the point where they might as well not even be canon.
I think people shit on them a little too hard considering what a nightmare RT is behind the scenes. Even a retard can be directed towards what he is good at and make a product functional if not amazing, that was all RWBY ever had to be, functional.
But they were in charge of everything. Writing, editing, and directing. RWBY needed someone at the head of all that to keep things on track and consistent.
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Dude, imagine if we put together a fund and actually managed to make RWBY the fucking property of the Kiwi Farms. Imagine how pissed the fanbase would be, holy shit.
I love your use of the myth/story theming, it's a great idea
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I think they do deserve all the criticisms. Specially because all their problems could have been solved with a healthy dose of humbleness.
If this was V4 or even as late as v5 I could probably get that point. And even that feels too generous. As of now it is too late to give them the benefit of doubt.
Literally everyone , outside RT fanboys, told them exactly what the issues were. Not one or twice. No. Entire YouTube channels and essays and detailed criticism were directed at them. People offered to help them all the time.
Nobody was forcing them at gunpoint to write RWBY. RT was able to get expensive A -listers for Gen lock like David Tennant but not a single decent writer to help them? I don't buy it.
If they couldn't get the message by v4 that they needed help. And that the show was failing, and still refused to listen that is on them. And the result was RT failing, people losing their jobs, the RWBY franchise being a massive financial failure, and if you care about it, Monty's dream ended up being a disappointment.
I say they do deserve it all. Because all they needed was being humble enough to step down, or ask for help, or at least listen to all the criticism.
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Might be worth it for the meltdown alone.
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Realistically, I could only see the Kiwi farms getting enough money to buy RWBY with a crowdfunding campaign. But the instant they know it's this site they will refuse due to all the bad publicty. Hell that's why they won't even consider Useful Mistake's offer.
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Honestly, I’d say I gave up hope for anything being at least passable after V7 or V8. And looking back, I think everyone realized that killing off Adam was more cutting the losses of that character than anything.
And honestly, I do think these guys thought their shit didn’t stink. Probably as early as V4 or V5.
I’m not really a “Monty’s vision” guy, but I think that this is probably the closest I’ll get to agreeing that Monty would be disappointed from the other side: the people that he trusted with his passion project have caused it to die in agony.
TBH, RT could have made it where they could have things have a softer blowback if:
1. they just did what Highschool of The Dead did (the illustrator and editor just decided to leave the series unfinished after the author died) considering they had a chance to do this after V2 AND V3.
2. Do what Berserk ended up doing after Kentaro Miura died (have the series be done by Miura’s remaining staff led by one of Miura’s best friends and confidants in the industry, but make it VERY CLEAR that this is not the main man behind the series but the folks he’s trusted to carry on his will and they’re doing they best they can to follow his instructions since they can’t consult a dead man). I’m willing to bet this is what CRWBY has said they’ve been doing, but there’s always going to be folks pressing X to doubt.
Either way, RWBY deserves to go out in a better way than how it’s being treated now.
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I didn’t email them from my KF email, nor did I use the words “Kiwi Farms” anywhere
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But you were almost certainly the only person who emailed them.
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I find it funny that they made the right choice in cutting the epilogue even though one of the writing staff (Kerry?) said that it was perfect and they were proud of it meaning they clearly got the right choice by accident.
The epilogue is bad for many reasons chief among them that bunch of people heard a call from Atlas for help against what was described as an unkillable foe, and for some reason all decided to not only go to help, but do so in fucking Vacuo of all places (which just so happens to be where the plot is, but they couldn’t have known that).
I won’t be wasting my time seeing the extended version of the epilogue because:
a) the epilogue is stupid
b) it was cut
c) and the series is canceled anyway