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Every now and then it'll be so bad it's unintentionally funny and the fanbase is like a herd of lolcows.
RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future
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Every now and then it'll be so bad it's unintentionally funny and the fanbase is like a herd of lolcows.
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Biggest problem with him getting allergy shots is that usually the doctor makes you sit in the waiting room for 20 minutes to make sure you don't have a reaction.
Given Monty's obsession with work to the point of self neglect he could have left early, but when you go to an allergist they put you on meds first then go up to shots if those don't work.
I doubt foul play but it was a tragedy that shouldn't have happened.
As for Rooster Teeth, I can see them scraping by to make volume 8 then get absorbed into Cartoon Network.
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All I’ve heard to elaborate is that Monty was such a workaholic that even a routine medicine procedure was enough to take him down given how he treated his body.
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I've heard that too. Apparently there is the possibility of "delayed anaphylaxis" where you can develop breathing problems hours after getting treated. It happens in less than 2 percent of people though.
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I do remember that whenever he wasn't working or being a human, he was just asleep.
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I think even inearly RWBY, Monty had issues with scope. That is he wasn’t realistic with how far he could go with those scrap resources and the show suffered for it.
Remember that infamous scene with Ruby eating cookies that just disappeared?
That could‘ve easily been solved by just moving the camera behind Ruby. That’s it.
Point is, although the show was super demanding on his health, a lot would’ve improved by working smarter not harder. But Monty tried to bridge the gap of money with hard work which just hurt him in the long run.
IMHO, RWBY should have focused on a small cast and reuse the same locations around Beacon, until they had the budget of a normal show instead of trying and failing to go full Pixar.
Remember that infamous scene with Ruby eating cookies that just disappeared?
That could‘ve easily been solved by just moving the camera behind Ruby. That’s it.
Point is, although the show was super demanding on his health, a lot would’ve improved by working smarter not harder. But Monty tried to bridge the gap of money with hard work which just hurt him in the long run.
IMHO, RWBY should have focused on a small cast and reuse the same locations around Beacon, until they had the budget of a normal show instead of trying and failing to go full Pixar.
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The funny thing is, the first two volumes managed to do that! The cast was small, Cinder was painted as the final boss in waiting, there was a clear power chain with the antagonists, and if Monty’s death ended the show with Volume 2 (or even 3), I don’t think people would be that mad once the initial shock of sorrow of Monty’s death wore off.
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I know next to nothing about this series, but I've seen it, and fucking lol, if they tried to reach any animation heights on what is obviously a shoestring 'budget' (I have difficulty using that word for this show; it implies it had any money in it) even for Flash animation.
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The primary issue was trying to make an action show in the first place. Action shows are notoriously more expensive than non-action shows due to the constant animation and attention to detail you have to possess. Its why most western cartoons are comedies and action anime fall into one of three categories. super high budget affairs guaranteed to print money due to a built in mega-fanbase (a la demon hunter or hero academia), cheap schlock that looks like ass 95% of the time (one piece and every other recent Toei project), or passion projects that almost never make back their money or at best just barely turn a profit (red line and megalo box).
I think if Monty was smart and actually brought in people who knew how to scope this project out with the limited resources he had, instead of going to his friends shit for brains miles and no experience kerry, then the structure could have been built at the beginning to build this thing up to be a success. cut down on pointless settings and the plots that lead there. focus more on an cheap artistic style that, if you were clever, could look great despite the cheapness along with a healthy use of good old camera tricks to hide poor animation and texture quality. Unfortunately, he wanted a lot of control it seems and purposely took in his two "yes men" friends in order to do whatever the fuck he wanted. Which is a shame because Monty is a very good action director/animator. He just fucking sucks at being a "traditional" director as Vol 1 and 2 showed with how awful everything outside the action looked.
I just realized that Monty fucking George lucased Rwby and didn't live long enough to, maybe, salvage it.
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Someone on Reddit did a volume by volume breakdown of RWBY’s production. https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFri..._we_have_a_lovehate_relationship_with_rwby_i/
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That sub is like the best place if you want to get opinions on what people thought of the show from both sides. Also I am not that surprised that Miles and Kerry didn't watch anime before RWBY.
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Honestly, that summary could be copy paste'd into the OP and it would summarize pretty efficiently why this fuck up is such a fun trainwreck to talk about.
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So, am I going insane now or what? After talking about this, I wanted to browse a few things and I found this:
Obviously there's not a lot of bombastic action, but it's got that really nice Fire Emblem on 3DS look; which I've always been really impressed by. Like, if all CG shows looked like that, I'd be totally okay with it.
I'm being generous with this comparison, but it's rendered just as well: (Granted this game is getting close to 5 years old now and still looks more polished)
Also... I kinda like the character designs. They're really nice, cute anime girls, what can I say? There are worse things in the world, haha.
I know the voice acting and writing is terrible, and that's really what matters, but at least right now, they really stepped up the animation from what I first saw. I'm just wondering if I'm alone in thinking that way.
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Honestly the main issue with RWBY has always been overconfidence on writers' part, nevermind the questionable capabilities of animators as well as crunching from time to time on management during production.
The writers keep thinking they're being clever, then try to retcon nonsense that just don't work and try to pass it off as something "oh, this is what Semblance can do now" or "Oh this is magic now" and the list goes on.
Also, the plot development for the main protagonist herself -- Ruby is as dumb as it can get.
She's basically Miles and Kerry's attempt to replicate Sora from Kingdom Hearts, and somehow -- above all odds, they managed to make an even more hard-to-relate protagonist that's overly optimistic and naive than even Sora himself, and what saddens me is that the autistic spectrum of the demographic just eat it up without a peep for quality and proper development writing for main characters.
And don't even get me started on the whole ship-war menagerie between casts -- especially Blake and Yang. It's like headcannon-with only them being led to believe they are gay for each other being the only drive those fans have and they're gonna use that to push their personal agenda further in having something to represent their sexual preference. Like, fucking hell we've had this nonsense before on Legend of Korra, and even Voltron for Christ's sake.
Honestly RWBY as a whole simply have too much going on with little to no focus on what type of story it even wants to be as the volume goes on.
Oh and Cinder is still a fucking worthless antagonist. I really could do without her anymore since Volume 5. The whole show can just skip to Salem and I still wouldn't have any issues with it because almost none of her goons were memorable or even interesting.
The writers keep thinking they're being clever, then try to retcon nonsense that just don't work and try to pass it off as something "oh, this is what Semblance can do now" or "Oh this is magic now" and the list goes on.
Also, the plot development for the main protagonist herself -- Ruby is as dumb as it can get.
She's basically Miles and Kerry's attempt to replicate Sora from Kingdom Hearts, and somehow -- above all odds, they managed to make an even more hard-to-relate protagonist that's overly optimistic and naive than even Sora himself, and what saddens me is that the autistic spectrum of the demographic just eat it up without a peep for quality and proper development writing for main characters.
And don't even get me started on the whole ship-war menagerie between casts -- especially Blake and Yang. It's like headcannon-with only them being led to believe they are gay for each other being the only drive those fans have and they're gonna use that to push their personal agenda further in having something to represent their sexual preference. Like, fucking hell we've had this nonsense before on Legend of Korra, and even Voltron for Christ's sake.
Honestly RWBY as a whole simply have too much going on with little to no focus on what type of story it even wants to be as the volume goes on.
Oh and Cinder is still a fucking worthless antagonist. I really could do without her anymore since Volume 5. The whole show can just skip to Salem and I still wouldn't have any issues with it because almost none of her goons were memorable or even interesting.
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See way I see it, first 3 seasons/volumes, while gradually improving, were done on a program only Monty could ever get working for animation. Neither his fellow animators could and really, when you look at anything done by the people who made Poser (or anyone on deviantArt who don't realize DAZ or Blender are free, or that Maya, ZBrush or other programs can be pirated or trialed), they look like shit. Yeah these seasons don't look much better, but it's more than I can say than to those who decide to only use it for disturbing, uncanny fetish porn.So, am I going insane now or what? After talking about this, I wanted to browse a few things and I found this:
The video itself doesn't really matter; it's just that throughout it's all talk about and shows a lot of the 6th season. And.... dare I say.... I actually liked the animation. :x
Obviously there's not a lot of bombastic action, but it's got that really nice Fire Emblem on 3DS look; which I've always been really impressed by. Like, if all CG shows looked like that, I'd be totally okay with it.
I'm being generous with this comparison, but it's rendered just as well: (Granted this game is getting close to 5 years old now)
Also... I kinda like the character designs. They're really nice, cute anime girls, what can I say? There are worse things in the world, haha.
I know the voice acting and writing is terrible, and that's really what matters, but at least right now, they really stepped up the animation from what I first saw. I'm just wondering if I'm alone in thinking that way.
Season 4 is just them trying to get used to Maya (though that also begs the question as to why they couldn't learn it before starting the season), but even then there's some blatant errors that even the cheapest of overseas studios (outside of the Norm of the North company) stopped doing after the 2000s. And it never seemed to improve all the much until Vol. 7, a large part of that is them not really tweaking the motion capture animations to be consistent with the keyframed animations in terms of timing (or vice-versa) and the designs are almost exact translations of their Poser-era appearances until their outfit changes early on in Vol. 7. And while some of these problems still persist, but it's not as obvious compared to the ones before it.
Thing is though, even anime can have better CGI than this series (or any of RT's CGI efforts if Gen;LOCK or their upcoming Transformers series, in spite of getting franchise vets Polygon Pictures on board, are of any consideration), and that's saying something given how the average anime CG tends to be pretty weak unless Orange is behind it.
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Personally I thought Ruby only did what she did simply because it fed into her grandiose fantasy of being the Hero like in the history books. She never exactly woke up and learned that the world ain't like that. And even at the end of v7, it still went into the direction that Ruby's Chuuni-tiered delusions of playing hero is turning into cult mentality where everyone that ISN'T following Ruby are just "following orders" and "bootlickers"
I remembered them bragging that they were using Golaem in those crowd scenes in v5 and never improving on them with how very few the Atlas droids were on v7...
And people often wondered why there are more and more deconstructive narrative for this sort of thing nowadays.
Because it's story-writer's job to make sure the characters are at least relatable and not just being a detached one-dimensional piece of tool used to further a plot with nothing of interest to invest into.
And that's just what Ruby is -- a tool protagonist with not a shred of interesting thing about her other than "well she's the MC so she has to do this and say that to move things along."
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It felt like ALL of what Made RWBY's characters interesting were reduced to archetypes, RT's mouthpieces, or cardboard cutouts with bad waifu outfits (or all three). In fact all of their quirkier personalities ended up in RWBY CHIBI while the main plot's characters literally are just walking dakimakuras.
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Wait, they used a plug-in for that? Usually you'd need more assets if you want to use a crowd sim plugin effectively. It's not that difficult- most VFX studios do it all the time. How Rooster Teeth couldn't do something ILM and WETA have been doing for 2-and-a-half decades at this point shocks me considering how many shortcuts they usually take. Plus it wouldn't cost any more to do it given they only have like 6-7 background fanus and 1 Atlas soldier droid model.
You have to remember, RT only uses shortcuts to make things paradoxically harder. We are dealing with man children who have no idea how to manage an animation team due to a lack of experience and genuine talent.