RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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CheezzyMach said:
Reminds me of when Korra went down the shitter and Korra/Asami came out of nowhere and for a month Twitter acted like it was the best show ever.

Now either no-one remembers it or admits it was a letdown as a sequel.
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The hilarious thing about it is that the same progressives who cheered for it years ago are only now figuring out that it did a "terrible" job representing them with the Equalists.

Yeah. Sure. Communists and anarchists are violent nutjobs. Oh, but it's wrong, they're actually not and just misrepresented.

These people are dumber than dog shit.
 
Effluvium said:
The hilarious thing about it is that the same progressives who cheered for it years ago are only now figuring out that it did a "terrible" job representing them with the Equalists.

Yeah. Sure. Communists and anarchists are violent nutjobs. Oh, but it's wrong, they're actually not and just misrepresented.

These people are dumber than dog shit.
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I'd say that the show and the fans treat the show as smarter than it actually is.
 
This is from the latest Korra book btw:
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Fougaro said:
While I am not familiar with the Japanese FNDM, I suspect that the main reason might be the all-star cast of the Japanese dub.
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It isn't popular in Japan at all. It reached its peak after volume 4, after which, the dubbing stopped when the school setting ended. It'll be lucky enough that anyone even remembers it there.
 
LordBaron said:

So... RWBY fucked up in one department.
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Thought an embed would be nice.

Also, someone on Reddit was Nice enough to make a summary.
Summary of Vacarros racism video

Intro
Asked opinions from people of colour (Unlike the writters of the show). Also noted that they are not a monolith and as such opinions may vary, which is more than a fair statement. Proceeds to explain why representation is important.

Real world paralels
Goes over what is the real life paralel. Concludes that it is American racism and not Irish opression due to the racial component of the WF and the actions of racism and resistance given in the show.

White fang are not the bad guys
States that there is no one right way to fight for your rights, states that the show itself portrays (Through Blake) that Faunus attacking their opressors is a bad thing. And its extremelly tone deaf and completely ahistorical considering the history of race relations in America. Points out how stupid it was that Blake had to explain WF and faunus racism to a faunus.

"White fang are what media frames BLM to be as well as the historical framing of the BPP"

Big true on that quote. If you completely failed to go deeper into these movements you would think they are just violent terrorists, they arent and they werent.

Violence is justified when everything else fails as it is the opressors who start the violence with their abuses. The attacker is the problem, not the victim.

Why does team RWBY, and everyone else like Belladonas only fight against WF, and not the cause of the WF, the racism?

Why is there no actual racist group like KKK if things are so bad that WF rises up? And many more various questions that basically boil down to. WHY!? Why choose to write fighting against WF as one of the main story arcs?

The ideologies of protest
Those who do not experience discrimination most often will call for peacefull protest.Peacefull protests depend on the society acknowledging what is happening as being wrong. If that is not the case, such protesting is ineffective.

The plot fucked up with specific characters.

Belladonas - Meant to be for peacefull protest, but where is it? We dont actually see them doing their kind of protest. All we see from them is comfortably sitting in their palace. Peacefull protests arent passive. If the show wants to argue for peacefull protest then they should show what it entails - violence and abuse against the protesters etc. Ghira argues against WF, but offers literally no alternatives besides rolling over.

Albains - Who the fuck are they? An argument can be made that they are depictions of religious extremism, but WF was never about religion!!!! WHY? What does this add to the show especially since they die so quickly?

Ilia - Struggles about not killing those who are not as violent as her. "When do violent protesters attack their own marginalized communities when they are not violent enough, THIS ISNT A THING". Ilia is redeemed by accepting the Belladona "do nothing" way.

We are told that SDC abuses the faunus, but we arent really shown any of it, nothing directly. Thus allowing for the show to push both Adam and Sienna as terrorists. Not those who fight against opression, but terrorists, agressors.

Some information on the BPP from its members is given by Thomas, such as BPP also being a humanitarian movement, helping black communities in various ways, such as medical help etc. This is brought up because it show that WF is really shite at portraying BPP.

Sienna and WF tossed out and made into Faunus supremacists by Adam. Points out how this is exact the fucking idea that white supremacists bandy out when people of colour resits opression, that they only do it to opress white people. (Basically, the show echoes white supremacist sentiments).

Blake is privileged (That does no mean she has not suffered) this makes her arguments with Ilia look bad, not to mention that the belladonas call the police on the WF (Cops of a kingdom that allows racist businesses) and they basically stand for laying down and waiting for humans to give them equal rights.

Blakes V5 speech has aged poorly. The show portrays faunus civilians as the ones at fault, for not wanting to save a historically racist kingdom that used faunus slave labour and still discriminates against faunus.

Now after V6 - all violent protesters basically dead - peacefull protests out there somewhere, we have no proof of them doing literally anything. Blake was the only person left to push the protest angle.

Adam (Oh boy)
The issue with trying to hammer this idea of Adam as being only the bad abuser of Blake completely ignores the WF and race plot. Adam was really the only violent resistance character left after V5, could have been an ideological fight but only resulted in bleached fight, a shell of what it might have been.

The white fang, who is she
V7 was dissapointing from WF point. WF does not exist anymore. They should have many cells, they have none. Its just gone. All storylines about race abandoned to just focus on class. Blake just taken from the racial plot. Jacquest arrested only for working with Salem and stealing the election (Ignoring all faunus abuse). Suggestion that Robyn should have been a WF member (Yes). And weiss takes down jacques, and deals with the drunk guy. Blake is just gone.

Colourism racism and representation
Faunus being people with animal traits while being stands in for minorities who have been called animals is a yikes. Faunus jokes made on their animal traits, really racist undertones.

Show fails at showing any racism at all. Shown as just bullying by some people, no systemic racism at all.

All moments that should have been Blakes are taken by Weiss on anti-racism front. Why is blake okay with Weiss actions?

Points that us relating to Weiss story is bad, that we should relate to Blakes story more.

Objection - Blakes arc is written badly. This has nothing to do with race. This has to do with Weiss story being written well while Blakes wasnt.

Points out the colours of characters - Why are characters like Kali and Ghira (Indian) why are they white? Why are all the main cast white? RWBY fights against Ace-Ops, almost all of whom are clearly people of colour (Yikes). Most POC are the bad guys... Yang, Tayiang, Sun, all chinese related names - All white as fuck. Also, why did Pietro, a black man, make his daughter white??? Flynt Coal - Nothing but stereotypes.
 
LordBaron said:

So... RWBY fucked up in one department.
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Random Internet Person said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc
Thought an embed would be nice.
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It's astonishing that this guy still manages to sound like a shill even when he's "criticizing" this show.
Random Internet Person said:
Summary of Vacarros racism video

Intro
Asked opinions from people of colour (Unlike the writters of the show). Also noted that they are not a monolith and as such opinions may vary, which is more than a fair statement. Proceeds to explain why representation is important.

Real world paralels
Goes over what is the real life paralel. Concludes that it is American racism and not Irish opression due to the racial component of the WF and the actions of racism and resistance given in the show.

White fang are not the bad guys
States that there is no one right way to fight for your rights, states that the show itself portrays (Through Blake) that Faunus attacking their opressors is a bad thing. And its extremelly tone deaf and completely ahistorical considering the history of race relations in America. Points out how stupid it was that Blake had to explain WF and faunus racism to a faunus.

"White fang are what media frames BLM to be as well as the historical framing of the BPP"

Big true on that quote. If you completely failed to go deeper into these movements you would think they are just violent terrorists, they arent and they werent.

Violence is justified when everything else fails as it is the opressors who start the violence with their abuses. The attacker is the problem, not the victim.

Why does team RWBY, and everyone else like Belladonas only fight against WF, and not the cause of the WF, the racism?

Why is there no actual racist group like KKK if things are so bad that WF rises up? And many more various questions that basically boil down to. WHY!? Why choose to write fighting against WF as one of the main story arcs?

The ideologies of protest
Those who do not experience discrimination most often will call for peacefull protest.Peacefull protests depend on the society acknowledging what is happening as being wrong. If that is not the case, such protesting is ineffective.

The plot fucked up with specific characters.

Belladonas - Meant to be for peacefull protest, but where is it? We dont actually see them doing their kind of protest. All we see from them is comfortably sitting in their palace. Peacefull protests arent passive. If the show wants to argue for peacefull protest then they should show what it entails - violence and abuse against the protesters etc. Ghira argues against WF, but offers literally no alternatives besides rolling over.

Albains - Who the fuck are they? An argument can be made that they are depictions of religious extremism, but WF was never about religion!!!! WHY? What does this add to the show especially since they die so quickly?

Ilia - Struggles about not killing those who are not as violent as her. "When do violent protesters attack their own marginalized communities when they are not violent enough, THIS ISNT A THING". Ilia is redeemed by accepting the Belladona "do nothing" way.

We are told that SDC abuses the faunus, but we arent really shown any of it, nothing directly. Thus allowing for the show to push both Adam and Sienna as terrorists. Not those who fight against opression, but terrorists, agressors.

Some information on the BPP from its members is given by Thomas, such as BPP also being a humanitarian movement, helping black communities in various ways, such as medical help etc. This is brought up because it show that WF is really shite at portraying BPP.

Sienna and WF tossed out and made into Faunus supremacists by Adam. Points out how this is exact the fucking idea that white supremacists bandy out when people of colour resits opression, that they only do it to opress white people. (Basically, the show echoes white supremacist sentiments).

Blake is privileged (That does no mean she has not suffered) this makes her arguments with Ilia look bad, not to mention that the belladonas call the police on the WF (Cops of a kingdom that allows racist businesses) and they basically stand for laying down and waiting for humans to give them equal rights.

Blakes V5 speech has aged poorly. The show portrays faunus civilians as the ones at fault, for not wanting to save a historically racist kingdom that used faunus slave labour and still discriminates against faunus.

Now after V6 - all violent protesters basically dead - peacefull protests out there somewhere, we have no proof of them doing literally anything. Blake was the only person left to push the protest angle.

Adam (Oh boy)
The issue with trying to hammer this idea of Adam as being only the bad abuser of Blake completely ignores the WF and race plot. Adam was really the only violent resistance character left after V5, could have been an ideological fight but only resulted in bleached fight, a shell of what it might have been.

The white fang, who is she
V7 was dissapointing from WF point. WF does not exist anymore. They should have many cells, they have none. Its just gone. All storylines about race abandoned to just focus on class. Blake just taken from the racial plot. Jacquest arrested only for working with Salem and stealing the election (Ignoring all faunus abuse). Suggestion that Robyn should have been a WF member (Yes). And weiss takes down jacques, and deals with the drunk guy. Blake is just gone.

Colourism racism and representation
Faunus being people with animal traits while being stands in for minorities who have been called animals is a yikes. Faunus jokes made on their animal traits, really racist undertones.

Show fails at showing any racism at all. Shown as just bullying by some people, no systemic racism at all.

All moments that should have been Blakes are taken by Weiss on anti-racism front. Why is blake okay with Weiss actions?

Points that us relating to Weiss story is bad, that we should relate to Blakes story more.

Objection - Blakes arc is written badly. This has nothing to do with race. This has to do with Weiss story being written well while Blakes wasnt.

Points out the colours of characters - Why are characters like Kali and Ghira (Indian) why are they white? Why are all the main cast white? RWBY fights against Ace-Ops, almost all of whom are clearly people of colour (Yikes). Most POC are the bad guys... Yang, Tayiang, Sun, all chinese related names - All white as fuck. Also, why did Pietro, a black man, make his daughter white??? Flynt Coal - Nothing but stereotypes.
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Thank God. I thought my brain would have melted if I listened to that horse lover any longer.

And, holy shit, lots to unpack here. Apparently, only the racism plot was shown badly, but everything else is a masterpiece. I can't with these kids.:c

Hero Hei and adel aka have been saying this for some time now, but only now do they actually explicitly criticize it. Oh, BLM is popular now. Time to flip.
 
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Effluvium said:
"Yeah, I'm just gonna offer lip service and not actually do anything. You kids are adorable."

I actually find it amazing that CODE GEASS did racism and discrimination better in portraying what it looks like.
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Or how Fullmetal Alchemist portrayed imperialism.
I miss FMA.
 
I rewatched Volume 2 tonight on a whim and Christ it's janky as fuck.

I loved it. I wish RWBY had leaned more in on the jank instead of trying to be something bigger than it was.
 
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