RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Random Internet Person said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G54cEln_cwc
Thought an embed would be nice.

Also, someone on Reddit was Nice enough to make a summary.
Summary of Vacarros racism video

Intro
Asked opinions from people of colour (Unlike the writters of the show). Also noted that they are not a monolith and as such opinions may vary, which is more than a fair statement. Proceeds to explain why representation is important.

Real world paralels
Goes over what is the real life paralel. Concludes that it is American racism and not Irish opression due to the racial component of the WF and the actions of racism and resistance given in the show.

White fang are not the bad guys
States that there is no one right way to fight for your rights, states that the show itself portrays (Through Blake) that Faunus attacking their opressors is a bad thing. And its extremelly tone deaf and completely ahistorical considering the history of race relations in America. Points out how stupid it was that Blake had to explain WF and faunus racism to a faunus.

"White fang are what media frames BLM to be as well as the historical framing of the BPP"

Big true on that quote. If you completely failed to go deeper into these movements you would think they are just violent terrorists, they arent and they werent.

Violence is justified when everything else fails as it is the opressors who start the violence with their abuses. The attacker is the problem, not the victim.

Why does team RWBY, and everyone else like Belladonas only fight against WF, and not the cause of the WF, the racism?

Why is there no actual racist group like KKK if things are so bad that WF rises up? And many more various questions that basically boil down to. WHY!? Why choose to write fighting against WF as one of the main story arcs?

The ideologies of protest
Those who do not experience discrimination most often will call for peacefull protest.Peacefull protests depend on the society acknowledging what is happening as being wrong. If that is not the case, such protesting is ineffective.

The plot fucked up with specific characters.

Belladonas - Meant to be for peacefull protest, but where is it? We dont actually see them doing their kind of protest. All we see from them is comfortably sitting in their palace. Peacefull protests arent passive. If the show wants to argue for peacefull protest then they should show what it entails - violence and abuse against the protesters etc. Ghira argues against WF, but offers literally no alternatives besides rolling over.

Albains - Who the fuck are they? An argument can be made that they are depictions of religious extremism, but WF was never about religion!!!! WHY? What does this add to the show especially since they die so quickly?

Ilia - Struggles about not killing those who are not as violent as her. "When do violent protesters attack their own marginalized communities when they are not violent enough, THIS ISNT A THING". Ilia is redeemed by accepting the Belladona "do nothing" way.

We are told that SDC abuses the faunus, but we arent really shown any of it, nothing directly. Thus allowing for the show to push both Adam and Sienna as terrorists. Not those who fight against opression, but terrorists, agressors.

Some information on the BPP from its members is given by Thomas, such as BPP also being a humanitarian movement, helping black communities in various ways, such as medical help etc. This is brought up because it show that WF is really shite at portraying BPP.

Sienna and WF tossed out and made into Faunus supremacists by Adam. Points out how this is exact the fucking idea that white supremacists bandy out when people of colour resits opression, that they only do it to opress white people. (Basically, the show echoes white supremacist sentiments).

Blake is privileged (That does no mean she has not suffered) this makes her arguments with Ilia look bad, not to mention that the belladonas call the police on the WF (Cops of a kingdom that allows racist businesses) and they basically stand for laying down and waiting for humans to give them equal rights.

Blakes V5 speech has aged poorly. The show portrays faunus civilians as the ones at fault, for not wanting to save a historically racist kingdom that used faunus slave labour and still discriminates against faunus.

Now after V6 - all violent protesters basically dead - peacefull protests out there somewhere, we have no proof of them doing literally anything. Blake was the only person left to push the protest angle.

Adam (Oh boy)
The issue with trying to hammer this idea of Adam as being only the bad abuser of Blake completely ignores the WF and race plot. Adam was really the only violent resistance character left after V5, could have been an ideological fight but only resulted in bleached fight, a shell of what it might have been.

The white fang, who is she
V7 was dissapointing from WF point. WF does not exist anymore. They should have many cells, they have none. Its just gone. All storylines about race abandoned to just focus on class. Blake just taken from the racial plot. Jacquest arrested only for working with Salem and stealing the election (Ignoring all faunus abuse). Suggestion that Robyn should have been a WF member (Yes). And weiss takes down jacques, and deals with the drunk guy. Blake is just gone.

Colourism racism and representation
Faunus being people with animal traits while being stands in for minorities who have been called animals is a yikes. Faunus jokes made on their animal traits, really racist undertones.

Show fails at showing any racism at all. Shown as just bullying by some people, no systemic racism at all.

All moments that should have been Blakes are taken by Weiss on anti-racism front. Why is blake okay with Weiss actions?

Points that us relating to Weiss story is bad, that we should relate to Blakes story more.

Objection - Blakes arc is written badly. This has nothing to do with race. This has to do with Weiss story being written well while Blakes wasnt.

Points out the colours of characters - Why are characters like Kali and Ghira (Indian) why are they white? Why are all the main cast white? RWBY fights against Ace-Ops, almost all of whom are clearly people of colour (Yikes). Most POC are the bad guys... Yang, Tayiang, Sun, all chinese related names - All white as fuck. Also, why did Pietro, a black man, make his daughter white??? Flynt Coal - Nothing but stereotypes.
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So much autism... Just... So much.
 
Effluvium said:
😭😭 "End racism now, or I won't save people." 😭😭
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Reminds me of my old writing class where the lecturer would throw a fit on pieces that were otherwise decent for not addressing 'Moral Topics' that had nothing to do with what the story was focusing on. "I know this is a story about two noblemen trying to kill each other in exceedingly comedic ways because of how age has effected them, BUT IT DOESN'T WAX ABOUT HOW THEIR WIVES (who are barely in the story, of course) DON'T HAVE AS MANY RIGHTS AS MODERN WOMEN DO!"
 
I couldn't make it past season 1, but something I'm willing to admit is that most of the vocal tracks on the soundtracks are bangers, especially I'm The One. I'm such a sucker for songs that get me in that "I wanna kick someone's ass" mood. If anything can prove the lost potential of this show, it's definitely all the songs from Jeff and Casey Williams.
 
5t3n0g0ph3r said:
What went wrong was that other people (Miles & Kerry being the prime offenders) tried to make that simple concept into something bigger than it needed to be.
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Random Internet Person said:
The selling point was “cute anime girls fighting monsters”. Where things went wrong beyond that can be found in various parts of this thread.
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I saw that two hour long TL;DW review on RWBY, and wow, I am impressed. It hit not only a lot of notes I could sense was wrong with the series, but the biggest insight is that Miles and Kerry wanted to recreate Avatar: The Last Airbender. You can do whatever with what you're inspired by, but writing requires experience and study, and good writing does not revolve around wanting to merely recreate other series. You do that shit when you're in your teens and experiment and test out story elements and plots in fan fictions, not on a big budget series.

Also, "anime homework" does work, but you need to have the drive more than the dream in the long run. Anime isn't this paradox bullshit mind checkers puzzle of illusive mysterious nature that weeaboos put on a pedestal and guess with divining the feces out of their own asses, there are cultural roots and themes and influences and historic milestones in its development just as much as any other form of literature and art in the world that you need to grasp and link together with your own muses and inspiration to properly create. If you witness the life of any other creator, they're always rewatching certain favorites on repeat or buy development materials and study the shit out of them to understand what made them so great. I've gone out and bought dev books on old series and scoured the Web 1.0 for old anime websites that had Japanese majors translate shit on their own free time in college.

Now what I am talking about is the long way, but the longest way apparently is making RWBY levels of work. Stories with anime women fighting monsters as a career choice shouldn't be this hard, but if you always copy directly, you'll never get where you need to be. What the writers should be doing is taking creative writing courses and doing all of the OCD shit I've mentioned above, but they aren't. Also, what works in Japan will not always work out elsewhere, and vice versa. As I've said before, I'm doubtful they felt that burst of inspiration when anime came onto their TV and signaled not just something cool to watch but a new zeitgeist into sequential art that dared to face a dour world at large.

Also, personal level, if you're merely inspired by Avatar The Last Airbender and just want to recreate that or other Amerime series, then wow, because if I was a teacher in Anime Homework 101, I'd give you an F- and recommend you repeat your grade another year. As @OneHandClapping said before, "shamfur dispuray." Go watch real shit like Rurouni Kenshin, Trigun, Outlaw Star, Cyborg 009, Slayers, Tenchi Universe, Battle Angel Alita, Fist of the North Star, or Record of Loddoss War or play real anime spirit angled games like Lunar, Popful Mail, Tales of Phantasia, Phantasy Star, Trials of Mana, Guilty Gear, El Vivento, and Alisa Dragoon and then scrape your face below the surface for shit like old OAVs, arcade games, PC engine games, mainstream sensation radar dodging works, and anime and video game series that never left Japan. What Monty, rest his soul, gave them, was basic bitch shit.

Dumpster dived waifu said:
Imagine if you will, a world where RWBY decided that instead of going the route of large overarching epic involving an ever expanding cast of characters, the writers devoted 80% of the season to monster of the week shenanigans, and 20% to an overarching plot, similar to actual serialized television. The series would probably be better paced, and Ruby might have more character depth than "Gud vs Ebil" speech vending machine.
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XtrmGamr719 said:
Are we just circling back to Tokusatsu/Power Rangers?
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No, it's to general good pacing in storytelling. The problem with RWBY was that it never explored what made itself unique outside the flashy visuals and cool character designs. You generally have gradual schedules and arcs so that you can present what the world is like and what kind of things are going on in the background for the audience to get a feel for your story, and then, when it's right, that's when you present a greater arc. RWBY threw everything at you at once because the writers never wrote before in their life and there was too much of an emphasis on style.

It was not only trying to fit in the adult sized clothes at such an immature time of development and progress, but also trying to be again Avatar: The Last Airbender. I swear everytime I come across anything related with this series, it eventually devolves into idiocy that can't even match with weeaboo fuckery at times.
 
Chilson said:
Would it surprise you to know that Miles had written several seasons of RvB before this? Its probably not a surprise that it was all bad though.
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Yes, it does. Apparently that shows a major in comedic writing and farce but a lack of investment in anything else.
 
I Love Beef said:
I saw that two hour long TL;DW review on RWBY, and wow, I am impressed. It hit not only a lot of notes I could sense was wrong with the series, but the biggest insight is that Miles and Kerry wanted to recreate Avatar: The Last Airbender. You can do whatever with what you're inspired by, but writing requires experience and study, and good writing does not revolve around wanting to merely recreate other series. You do that shit when you're in your teens and experiment and test out story elements and plots in fan fictions, not on a big budget series.

Also, "anime homework" does work, but you need to have the drive more than the dream in the long run. Anime isn't this paradox bullshit mind checkers puzzle of illusive mysterious nature that weeaboos put on a pedestal and guess with divining the feces out of their own asses, there are cultural roots and themes and influences and historic milestones in its development just as much as any other form of literature and art in the world that you need to grasp and link together with your own muses and inspiration to properly create. If you witness the life of any other creator, they're always rewatching certain favorites on repeat or buy development materials and study the shit out of them to understand what made them so great. I've gone out and bought dev books on old series and scoured the Web 1.0 for old anime websites that had Japanese majors translate shit on their own free time in college.

Now what I am talking about is the long way, but the longest way apparently is making RWBY levels of work. Stories with anime women fighting monsters as a career choice shouldn't be this hard, but if you always copy directly, you'll never get where you need to be. What the writers should be doing is taking creative writing courses and doing all of the OCD shit I've mentioned above, but they aren't. Also, what works in Japan will not always work out elsewhere, and vice versa. As I've said before, I'm doubtful they felt that burst of inspiration when anime came onto their TV and signaled not just something cool to watch but a new zeitgeist into sequential art that dared to face a dour world at large.

Also, personal level, if you're merely inspired by Avatar The Last Airbender and just want to recreate that or other Amerime series, then wow, because if I was a teacher in Anime Homework 101, I'd give you an F- and recommend you repeat your grade another year. As @OneHandClapping said before, "shamfur dispuray." Go watch real shit like Rurouni Kenshin, Trigun, Outlaw Star, Cyborg 009, Slayers, Tenchi Universe, Battle Angel Alita, Fist of the North Star, or Record of Loddoss War or play real anime spirit angled games like Lunar, Popful Mail, Tales of Phantasia, Phantasy Star, Trials of Mana, Guilty Gear, El Vivento, and Alisa Dragoon and then scrape your face below the surface for shit like old OAVs, arcade games, PC engine games, mainstream sensation radar dodging works, and anime and video game series that never left Japan. What Monty, rest his soul, gave them, was basic bitch shit.



No, it's to general good pacing in storytelling. The problem with RWBY was that it never explored what made itself unique outside the flashy visuals and cool character designs. You generally have gradual schedules and arcs so that you can present what the world is like and what kind of things are going on in the background for the audience to get a feel for your story, and then, when it's right, that's when you present a greater arc. RWBY threw everything at you at once because the writers never wrote before in their life and there was too much of an emphasis on style.

It was not only trying to fit in the adult sized clothes at such an immature time of development and progress, but also trying to be again Avatar: The Last Airbender. I swear everytime I come across anything related with this series, it eventually devolves into idiocy that can't even match with weeaboo fuckery at times.
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Honestly, I’d say the problem with RWBY was Monty was just he would put the things he liked in a blender and didn’t really care for the taste, while he punted the story to the first two guys he saw in the office so his show wasn’t just crazy fights a middle schooler would find on YouTube or Newgrounds. And when you have things like Monty going off and adding things on his own without consulting his partners or having the script have action scenes be literally written as “Monty Does his thing here”, you’re just tempting fate at that point and you’re showing an arrogance that you don’t think your luck will ever run out.

As for “homework”, it doesn’t matter if we’re talking JRPGs, Final Fantasy supplemental material, Devil May Cry, the Weekly Shonen Jump flavor of the month, or some title that gets you all the hipster points, if you wanna understand the mechanics and the things that make stuff tick, it’s there if you really wanna learn, regardless of its quality.
I have copies of The Disaster Artist, Hirohiko Araki’s Manga in Theory & Practice, Stephen King’s On Writing, books on the development of A Christmas Carol and SpongeBob Squarepants, AND I own the entire series of Bakuman, which is all about two guys trying to make it as manga artists, and I’ve seen Shirobako, which is all about making an anime. If you want to know what goes into the making of the things you like, you’re pretty spoiled for choice.

RWBY’s biggest problem(s) came from Monty underestimating the work that needed to go into developing story and characters, overestimating how far his show could go driven purely by action, not knowing how to deal with the downside of Rule of Cool (what is there when the high from Rule of Cool wears off?), and because of these things, once Monty died, Miles and Kerry had to do double time to make RWBY “an actual show” (which is what RT wants and always wanted RWBY to be) instead of “Monty’s playground”.
 
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Random Internet Person said:
As for “homework”, it doesn’t matter if we’re talking JRPGs, Final Fantasy supplemental material, Devil May Cry, the Weekly Shonen Jump flavor of the month, or some title that gets you all the hipster points, if you wanna understand the mechanics and the things that make stuff tick, it’s there if you really wanna learn, regardless of its quality.
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That's the other problem. For as much Monty put all of his likes and preferences into a blender, he knew what he wanted in life and was struck by to want to make an anime. All of his own style was carried by itself because they had progression and pacing of their own, it's like watching totally different shows put together into one timeslot. Sure, if he just buckled down and tried to write stories his own way, it's an attempt all on his own than just giving it to others to deal with. As much as teamwork is key, I've learned that aptitude and competency are things you must look for in the first place, else you are just living on a gamble. It's why bands in the past were so successful, because it requires a synergy that you cannot just get from putting random people together and telling them make music. I know that his talents were something to focus on and required him to invest his energy into for the most part, but you also need to touch upon other fields else you're only good at walking one path in life. So for as much as this is Monty's problem, the most of it still falls on Miles and other writer.

I'm going deeper, but I'm not just talking about production processes. I'm talking about history in the making, coming into being, the holistic side of things, like starting shit up in your garage or basement and moving on up from there because a moment in your waking life and human history was that fucking inspirational and monumental. As much as the fundamentals are the building blocks for fun, if you don't have the drive, you're just dreaming and not living. Again, it's not enough to want to mimic Japanese works and traits of anime, the US had already built up its own preferences and wants, and Monty could grasp that. Like, do the surviving writers understand how anime got so damn big in the States and why they like it so much? I blame how self depreciation and dysphoria is prominent in the western anime fandom these days for this. Like I know, I'm probably talking about some joe everybodys who were just handed an offer to write an anime styled story by a rising star in the entertainment business, but how is this so hard to make an anime outside of Japan? Like seriously, they had everything fucking there, the ideas, the raw creative potential and materials, but lol nope Avatar the Last Airbender 2 Electric Boogaloo.

It just invigorates me enough to want to fly feebly enough to do my own anime shit at this point. How fucking hard can this be?
 
Effluvium said:
You better not jinx it. Linkara criticizes bad comics while he tried to make his own webcomic.

It sucked ass.
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Linkara thinks he's everything and the bee's knees while thinking he has utmost authority on giving say on who gets what, from what to write to who gets have a sex life as a male feminazi and seeks to get money off of it.

I'm just a nobody on a forum who goes apeshit and MATI for my own leisure. As much as I look and spew viritrol on RWBY, it only brings disappointment out in me because anime is literally my life.

If this doesn't work out, at least I'll have a lolcow thread here one day, maybe. Watch the fuck out Webby's Boyfriend, I just might be the next autism sensation. You are what you eat after all.
 
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