RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Fougaro said:
If Monty was still around, he'd have his own thread and be the biggest lolcow of Rooster Teeth.
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Ehhh, debatable. Monty had his problems but compared to the rest of Rooster Teeth he could actually deliver a product on time and his issues were more due to him being a workaholic and socially awkward weirdo who married a gold digger and not being a shiftless alcoholic with a laundry list of sexual harassment allegations like other people from Rooster Teeth.
 
Dumpster dived waifu said:
Kinda didn't want to considering the sites issues making things take forever, but since you asked:
  • Monty was the primary reason they used the Poser instead of Maya. Poser is not a software designed for animating things, it's made for creating 3D models. Monty's heavy autism janked the shit out of it and made it animate. This single handedly slowed everything down and caused a lot of frustration because nobody else knew how it worked and had to be taught.
  • Monty once threw a gigantic tantrum because his Windows XP (might have been Windows 7, it's been so long I cant remember) absolutely died, and despite everyone's best efforts, they could only get him a new Windows 8/10 computer, which were infamously designed to not support downgrading. Monty didn't want a new version of windows, it would be different.
  • Monty told many stories about how he would savagely rip keyboards apart to remove keys he didn't need for animating in Poser. He only wanted to keep keys that were used for shortcuts.
  • Monty would routinely devote himself to animating so much so that coworkers mentioned that it wasn't uncommon to show up first thing in the morning to find him asleep under his desk.
There's a litany of other things, that's just what comes to mind.
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There's also a lot of Tweets of him trying to insist that Poser was better for his workflow than just swallowing his pride and adapting to Maya (which he knew how to use due to his gamedev past), to the point where he'd micro-obsess and nitpick over small faults in Maya that he didn't think Poser had.

His last Tweet was him admitting some praise to Maya, which makes it seem like either he was finally willing to upgrade to Maya, or RT sat him down and forced him to adapt because it was holding up the workflow.
 
ChevroletBlackboard said:
There's also a lot of Tweets of him trying to insist that Poser was better for his workflow than just swallowing his pride and adapting to Maya (which he knew how to use due to his gamedev past), to the point where he'd micro-obsess and nitpick over small faults in Maya that he didn't think Poser had.

His last Tweet was him admitting some praise to Maya, which makes it seem like either he was finally willing to upgrade to Maya, or RT sat him down and forced him to adapt because it was holding up the workflow.
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When you put it like that, it sounds like the reason for the tweet could have been either one.
 
Glad to know I'm not the only person who is looking at Ironwood and completely understanding his motivations here. There is absolutely no reason for CRWBY to backpedal on this, they wrote a genuinely good character arc and it works perfectly.

Ironwood is the Tin Man, therefore he has no heart. That's clearly what they were going for with this, but in the context of a military general who has been pushed to the brink, who is also a leader of a whole country, yeah. He's making tough decisions. Abandoning Mantle to save Remnant is at least a plausible decision to make, and arguing against it because "but we have to save every last person!" makes Ruby and her crew look like naive children who are brand new to the war, which is what they are. Both parties are in the right and in the wrong for different reasons. It's fantastic, I haven't been this excited for a season of RWBY since I saw Qrow's drinking problem in the opening of Volume 6.

When you think about it, James's character arc is very much the same as Qrow's, but going in a different direction. Both men devoted their lives to fighting against Salem, making sacrifices and keeping secrets for Ozpin. Neither of them was told that Salem was immortal, and when they found out, they felt betrayed. While Qrow spiraled into depression at the idea that his best friend never trusted him with the truth, James was spurred to action. Clearly, the way Ozma had been handling things all this time wasn't working. And his determination to share Salem with the world makes perfect sense, how else would Remnant eventually become united to pass the test of the Gods?

Is James in a bad situation with Mantle? Absolutely. But Salem is on his doorstep. He has to make tough calls and prioritize, and he has done so. Hell, for all we know, he did it knowing full well that if he directed his attention to Atlas, RWBY would run off and play hero with Mantle anyway, and wouldn't even need his help.

It really is amazing that the fans of this show are so inundated with excess empathy that they think a general and a superhero are interchangeable. No, you cannot save everyone, and if you try to save everyone, you are a moron who is going to lose more than you could have.
 
ChevroletBlackboard said:
Were Monty still alive, as the OP ponders, we'd have absolutely made a thread on him. The man was borderline high-functioning with some of his work habits and it's likely that his specific (read: autistic) way of doing things and changing the story would have led to a growing feud with Miles and Kerry.

People have gone back through his Twitter and found a few times where he lashed out harshly at critics of RWBY so it wouldn't be a shock.
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The funny thing is that he wouldn't have cared about the plot of RWBY. The one time he actively changed the plot of RWBY (aside from hinting at Penny's nature early and that Raven scene that went nowhere) was asking the writers to include a dance scene.
 
Dumpster dived waifu said:
Monty once threw a gigantic tantrum because his Windows XP (might have been Windows 7, it's been so long I cant remember) absolutely died, and despite everyone's best efforts, they could only get him a new Windows 8/10 computer, which were infamously designed to not support downgrading. Monty didn't want a new version of windows, it would be different.
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Well, to be fair, Windows 8 was such an absolute dumpster fire, especially when compared to 7, I can't really blame him there.
But even then throwing a tantrum over it was definitely not the right thing to do, especially since I'm pretty sure it would've been possible to install 7 on it after reformatting the hard drive...
Monty told many stories about how he would savagely rip keyboards apart to remove keys he didn't need for animating in Poser
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Ok, nevermind, he was a proper sperg.
 
Don't Tread on Me said:
Glad to know I'm not the only person who is looking at Ironwood and completely understanding his motivations here. There is absolutely no reason for CRWBY to backpedal on this, they wrote a genuinely good character arc and it works perfectly.

Ironwood is the Tin Man, therefore he has no heart. That's clearly what they were going for with this, but in the context of a military general who has been pushed to the brink, who is also a leader of a whole country, yeah. He's making tough decisions. Abandoning Mantle to save Remnant is at least a plausible decision to make, and arguing against it because "but we have to save every last person!" makes Ruby and her crew look like naive children who are brand new to the war, which is what they are. Both parties are in the right and in the wrong for different reasons. It's fantastic, I haven't been this excited for a season of RWBY since I saw Qrow's drinking problem in the opening of Volume 6.

When you think about it, James's character arc is very much the same as Qrow's, but going in a different direction. Both men devoted their lives to fighting against Salem, making sacrifices and keeping secrets for Ozpin. Neither of them was told that Salem was immortal, and when they found out, they felt betrayed. While Qrow spiraled into depression at the idea that his best friend never trusted him with the truth, James was spurred to action. Clearly, the way Ozma had been handling things all this time wasn't working. And his determination to share Salem with the world makes perfect sense, how else would Remnant eventually become united to pass the test of the Gods?

Is James in a bad situation with Mantle? Absolutely. But Salem is on his doorstep. He has to make tough calls and prioritize, and he has done so. Hell, for all we know, he did it knowing full well that if he directed his attention to Atlas, RWBY would run off and play hero with Mantle anyway, and wouldn't even need his help.

It really is amazing that the fans of this show are so inundated with excess empathy that they think a general and a superhero are interchangeable. No, you cannot save everyone, and if you try to save everyone, you are a moron who is going to lose more than you could have.
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The funniest thing is that if you listen to the writers they essentially did this all on accident. Their intent was to make Ironwood morally gray, not completely justified. That's scary because it implies maybe the mean army man is RIGHT, and as we all know, army bad, so they're backpedaling like crazy. You can honestly tell a lot about someone by what they think of Ironwood.

A lot of good things in the series were completely on accident. Fatmanfalling's V5 review starts with him praising Yang's arc, only to then play the commentary which completely negates it. All that stuff about Yang coping by falling back into a familiar comfort zone? Completely unintended. Their intent with the bar fight scene was show how... restrained she was now. The V7 commentary says that it wasn't intended for Penny and Winter to develop their bond either. Any good writing in this show is entirely accidental and don't you forget it.
 
IamnottheNSA said:
Well, to be fair, Windows 8 was such an absolute dumpster fire, especially when compared to 7, I can't really blame him there.
But even then throwing a tantrum over it was definitely not the right thing to do, especially since I'm pretty sure it would've been possible to install 7 on it after reformatting the hard drive...
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Oh, I agree that 8 was a dumpster fire. I got the same thing at work, and I wanted to downgrade but after 20 minutes of googling and not finding anything concrete, I decided to deal with the growing pains rather than go back to a computer where the motherboard smelt like burn bacon. Sometimes you just gotta take your lumps.
 
LordBaron said:
The funny thing is that he wouldn't have cared about the plot of RWBY. The one time he actively changed the plot of RWBY (aside from hinting at Penny's nature early and that Raven scene that went nowhere) was asking the writers to include a dance scene.
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And apparently, the Vytal Festival was just because Monty wanted to do a tournament arc, despite the main problem people have with the Vytal Festival is that the characters don't really have much of a motivation to be a participant in it.
 
Random Internet Person said:
And apparently, the Vytal Festival was just because Monty wanted to do a tournament arc, despite the main problem people have with the Vytal Festival is that the characters don't really have much of a motivation to be a participant in it.
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Really?

I'm kind of the opposite opinion. I think the stakes for RWBY got way too high way too fast. Torchwick was a common thief, not some world-killing witch. Best Day Ever was a great example of what I thought RWBY should have been. Just a happy female Harry Potter spin off with a big focus on school and monster killing occasionally. It got so serious that I can't really buy it anymore. What makes Ruby and her team so special that they are the ones who have to go about defeating Salem when everyone else failed? Eight seasons and the team has yet to provide a real answer as to "why THESE girls?"
 
Don't Tread on Me said:
Really?

I'm kind of the opposite opinion. I think the stakes for RWBY got way too high way too fast. Torchwick was a common thief, not some world-killing witch. Best Day Ever was a great example of what I thought RWBY should have been. Just a happy female Harry Potter spin off with a big focus on school and monster killing occasionally. It got so serious that I can't really buy it anymore. What makes Ruby and her team so special that they are the ones who have to go about defeating Salem when everyone else failed? Eight seasons and the team has yet to provide a real answer as to "why THESE girls?"
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Actually, a lot of people think that dropping the school as early as they did really hurt the show. Some say there was no real reason to have a school to begin with.
 
Random Internet Person said:
Actually, a lot of people think that dropping the school as early as they did really hurt the show. Some say there was no real reason to have a school to begin with.
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In classic RWBY fashion, the writers tried to do both and failed miserably. Honestly, the show could have worked either way if they fully committed to one vision. I think it would have been a bit too generic if they fully committed to the wacky slapstick school setting. But, it started out as a western wannabe web-anime and being generic is a solid 9/10 with those expectations.

I personally would have liked the show to start of as serious with them roaming around the wilderness solving Grimm problems (you know, the best part of season six which was probably the best the show has ever been since season 2).

Again though, they wanted the show to be both a wacky "comedy" and a grim-dark pseudo apocalypse and they don't have anywhere near the skill to pull it off.
 
Chilson said:
In classic RWBY fashion, the writers tried to do both and failed miserably. Honestly, the show could have worked either way if they fully committed to one vision. I think it would have been a bit too generic if they fully committed to the wacky slapstick school setting. But, it started out as a western wannabe web-anime and being generic is a solid 9/10 with those expectations.

I personally would have liked the show to start of as serious with them roaming around the wilderness solving Grimm problems (you know, the best part of season six which was probably the best the show has ever been since season 2).

Again though, they wanted the show to be both a wacky "comedy" and a grim-dark pseudo apocalypse and they don't have anywhere near the skill to pull it off.
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I'd say even back then, the show was trying to be both, since Weiss and Blake had motivations that couldn't really be solved with fight scenes, ans since they did the classic "things go on in the background, and the MCs stumple on/investigate it". The only difference was that in the Beacon arc, the villains were of a much smaller scale, and Salem was only theory bait.

If the Fall of Beacon wasn't the point where the show truly shifted, this fight was. Ruby is investigating a lead into the Fall of Beacon, and she comes across a psychopath, and she's saved by her uncle who was trying to stop her from getting in to deep.
 
Don't Tread on Me said:
Glad to know I'm not the only person who is looking at Ironwood and completely understanding his motivations here. There is absolutely no reason for CRWBY to backpedal on this, they wrote a genuinely good character arc and it works perfectly.

Ironwood is the Tin Man, therefore he has no heart. That's clearly what they were going for with this, but in the context of a military general who has been pushed to the brink, who is also a leader of a whole country, yeah. He's making tough decisions. Abandoning Mantle to save Remnant is at least a plausible decision to make, and arguing against it because "but we have to save every last person!" makes Ruby and her crew look like naive children who are brand new to the war, which is what they are. Both parties are in the right and in the wrong for different reasons. It's fantastic, I haven't been this excited for a season of RWBY since I saw Qrow's drinking problem in the opening of Volume 6.

When you think about it, James's character arc is very much the same as Qrow's, but going in a different direction. Both men devoted their lives to fighting against Salem, making sacrifices and keeping secrets for Ozpin. Neither of them was told that Salem was immortal, and when they found out, they felt betrayed. While Qrow spiraled into depression at the idea that his best friend never trusted him with the truth, James was spurred to action. Clearly, the way Ozma had been handling things all this time wasn't working. And his determination to share Salem with the world makes perfect sense, how else would Remnant eventually become united to pass the test of the Gods?

Is James in a bad situation with Mantle? Absolutely. But Salem is on his doorstep. He has to make tough calls and prioritize, and he has done so. Hell, for all we know, he did it knowing full well that if he directed his attention to Atlas, RWBY would run off and play hero with Mantle anyway, and wouldn't even need his help.

It really is amazing that the fans of this show are so inundated with excess empathy that they think a general and a superhero are interchangeable. No, you cannot save everyone, and if you try to save everyone, you are a moron who is going to lose more than you could have.
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Ironwoods actions are very similar to what is currently going on in the manga Attack on Titan, where a character is doing evil deeds for sympathetic reasons and the writer want the characters actions to be grey and kind of evil but the circumstances surrounding their actions make them sympathetic and justified in their actions
In Attack on Titan the MC Eren has lost his mind and is using an army of Titans to destroy humanity outside the walls of his homeland to secure the freedom and survival for his people and friends/family. Everyone outside the walls hates his people the Elidians to the point where they have international conferences dedicated to how much the countries of the world hate the Elidians and want to see them exterminated. Erens actions make some sort of sense when confronted with the reality of the outside world and how few options he and his nation have when dealing with an entire world that wants them dead. Erens plan is awful but seems to be the only logical choice when the story is forcing his actions
Ironwood is doing something awful in condemning thousands of people to their deaths, but when you look at the circumstances where the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, his allies have lied to him about vital information to his face, and his opponent is immortal and supposedly invincible where if she gathers all four MacGuffins she will destroy the world, his actions make sense. Him being an asshole who will abandon thousands to their deaths makes sense when you consider the circumstances around him. Bad writing makes a crazy nutjob into the only sane man.
 
So on one of the Discord servers I’m on, one of the users awhile back went on a rant about how HeroHei is a clickbait channel and manufactured outrage by faking a suicide message and claiming it was from a Bumblebee shipper. Does anyone know what he’s talking about?
 
Hooligan Handgun said:
So on one of the Discord servers I’m on, one of the users awhile back went on a rant about how HeroHei is a clickbait channel and manufactured outrage by faking a suicide message and claiming it was from a Bumblebee shipper. Does anyone know what he’s talking about?
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The Cleo incident?
 
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