Druveer
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Right, sorry I should have been more specific, I was referring to the one you identified as a fan.
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Random Internet Person
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One way to see where we are now.
So it seems Atlas is a fascist state to these people.
So it seems Atlas is a fascist state to these people.
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Their fair and free election in which the poor clearly controlled the result was a plot point. Ironwood specifically going out of his way to protect his political enemies was another.
The last one really hits home how they didn't think of any world-building at all. The faunist are poor because they are oppressed. They're oppressed because they're poor. But Atlas clearly has robot technology that could do all the dangerous parts of mining (and we see that the SDC employs robots for those pipes, meaning they're cheap enough to employ for manual labor). The low quality jobs should be things that normal robots can't do well. If they where all poor because robots took all the easy jobs then it would make sense again - but they're specifically employed in the mine. Voluntarily. And are paid the same as humans from what we're told and nobody argues with. Which they don't seem to have any reason to do more than humans. The education system (and presumably all of it? it might just be the hunter academy) is specifically under the control of the military and thus Ironwood. Who is presumably not racist given his hand-picked hunters have a perfectly loyal good boy. So they should have roughly the same education rates as humans. You could say well educated animal dudes are hired less by random people who are totally racist, sure, but there isn't really any sign that this type of racism is common enough to doom all of them to being poor. Presumably none of the council members are racist, even Weis's dad had to pander to the faunist by not firing them and talks about how he isn't racist against the funny eared people when surrounded by rich humans. The pro-faunist pro-poor candidate was shown as being much more popular than the well connected wealthy man suggesting that they would have enough political power to enact anti-discrimination or affirmative action legislation to prevent such a thing if it where the case - and the fact that she is popular suggest that said racism isn't common enough that they would need it.
They're just kinda poor because they need to be generically discriminated against or they'd have nothing to complain about.
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- Cinder backstory, starts off orphaned, works under slave labor, kills slaver, step-sisters and the guy who basically trained her to be a jobber killing machine. It also takes up half the episode, thus eating into the plot itself.
- Also Salem doesn't punish her, instead she gets to take the Hound to find Penny.
- That air whale lands on Atlus, leading me to think even more that this is getting pretty damn close to the endgame in about 1-2 more volumes, if not the back half of this one.
All and all, pretty dry episode. Main cast is seriously fucked if they can actually deal with the giant armies of Grimm now on Atlas' turf. I fully expect someone to die from all of this.
- Also Salem doesn't punish her, instead she gets to take the Hound to find Penny.
- That air whale lands on Atlus, leading me to think even more that this is getting pretty damn close to the endgame in about 1-2 more volumes, if not the back half of this one.
All and all, pretty dry episode. Main cast is seriously fucked if they can actually deal with the giant armies of Grimm now on Atlas' turf. I fully expect someone to die from all of this.
Rondo Richter Belmont
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This episode wasn't bad all things considered, even if it's too little too late for FINALLY showing off Cinder's backstory since everyone probably already figured out what her life was like before joining up with Salem due to what literary character she's loosely based on.
Salem on the other hand is an exceptional dumbass who keeps letting Cinder come crawling back like a two dollar hooker, giving her jobs and simply allowing this power hungry tard to do whatever...I've said this before and will keep saying it no matter what, under any other villain from pieces of media outside RWBY the first time Cinder would fail majorly or disobey her boss would lead to her being made an example to other minions.
This doesn't separate Salem from other villains in a good way, it makes her look braindead.
Salem on the other hand is an exceptional dumbass who keeps letting Cinder come crawling back like a two dollar hooker, giving her jobs and simply allowing this power hungry tard to do whatever...I've said this before and will keep saying it no matter what, under any other villain from pieces of media outside RWBY the first time Cinder would fail majorly or disobey her boss would lead to her being made an example to other minions.
This doesn't separate Salem from other villains in a good way, it makes her look braindead.
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I'm expecting a plot twist where cinder finds a way to kill salem and becomes the big bad. Anything short of that may be decently written and that's not it's mo
"Yay, instead of a bland, uninteresting, do-nothing main villain, we would get an even blander, more uninteresting, failure of a main villain whose voice actress can't voice act and is significantly weaker and less threatening. Rwby is only getting better don't believe the haters"
TheAmbiguousLurker
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I know RWBY songs have never been subtle, but christ Cinder's backstory is accompanied by edgy lyrics that just flat out state "No one loves you. No one cares. You're alone. FEEL BAD!"
Why did Cinder's Huntsman teacher immediately go to attack her? She wasn't going to attack him, he could have easily subdued her if he used a hint of subtlety.
Cinder's backstory here, not mentioning it being too little too late, just drags. It doesn't tell us anything interesting about her that we don't already assume.
Mercury got a promotion. About damn time.
Even Ozpin is calling Hazel's motivations dumb.
Oscar, while bleeding, bruised and near death: No, no, Ozpin. Hazel's totally holding back.
They act like Oscar wouldn't be suffering if Ozpin took over. It's still Oscar's body getting beaten, he's gonna feel it no matter what.
Ozpin just yells out that Salem's bad instead of just making the obvious point that Salem's plan literally has no benefits for anyone but her.
Jaune gets mad at the Harriet for asking about Penny when there's a bigger situation to worry about, but is quiet when Yang already starts sniping at them the moment they touch down. If you don't want their help, don't ask for their help.
Yikes, now shit is totes getting serious, y'all. There's no ways Salem could have attacked before this.
Also, the Grimm Whale is basically just the Dragon from Volume 3. Flies and spawns Grimm. Only difference is that people can live in this one.
Welp, Atlas is fucked. Good thing Ruby and co made it stay put, I'm sure all the innocent people that are about to be ripped apart will understand.
Why did Cinder's Huntsman teacher immediately go to attack her? She wasn't going to attack him, he could have easily subdued her if he used a hint of subtlety.
Cinder's backstory here, not mentioning it being too little too late, just drags. It doesn't tell us anything interesting about her that we don't already assume.
Mercury got a promotion. About damn time.
Even Ozpin is calling Hazel's motivations dumb.
Oscar, while bleeding, bruised and near death: No, no, Ozpin. Hazel's totally holding back.
They act like Oscar wouldn't be suffering if Ozpin took over. It's still Oscar's body getting beaten, he's gonna feel it no matter what.
Ozpin just yells out that Salem's bad instead of just making the obvious point that Salem's plan literally has no benefits for anyone but her.
Jaune gets mad at the Harriet for asking about Penny when there's a bigger situation to worry about, but is quiet when Yang already starts sniping at them the moment they touch down. If you don't want their help, don't ask for their help.
Yikes, now shit is totes getting serious, y'all. There's no ways Salem could have attacked before this.
Also, the Grimm Whale is basically just the Dragon from Volume 3. Flies and spawns Grimm. Only difference is that people can live in this one.
Welp, Atlas is fucked. Good thing Ruby and co made it stay put, I'm sure all the innocent people that are about to be ripped apart will understand.
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He's dumb. Otherwise the problem would have been solved with "Oh hey I noticed that you have a massive scar on your neck when we where training and also that your adopted family is abusive hey have they been torturing you lets call the cops or I could just break their legs if the cops arn't reliable we pretty much have a monopoly of force over elderly non-huntress ladies."
Like the dude already locked down a seven year commitment to training her. Worst case they kick her out, and that sword he bought her has to be worth at least a couple months of floor bread. He should have known at least enough to get worried.
To this day Cinder makes dumb decisions to honor his memory. I didn't expect this backstory to be so deep.
Where the shields tied to the atmosphere thing? Ironwood's plan might be screwed now so they have no choice but to work together again making all the conflict up to that point pointless lol
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I believe it was, actually. Though if we're being realistic here, it probably wouldn't have worked as Monstro would have likely found a way in regardless and Salem's literal sludge monsters would have invaded anyway. Atlas would have been fucked one way or the other.
Though after watching this, I'm beginning to think that while they're all bad, Kerry's probably the worst of the writers on staff. Miles can do okay stuff in bursts and the others are very much the definition of mixed bag. But with Kerry, everything has to either not make any sense, be a slow as humanly possible, or just downright shit. Hell, I'm wondering just how much of these issues are his fault at this point.
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What are your alls feelings on Jessica Nigri's voice acting? I'm not really the biggest fan of it. Sometimes I think she's doing well, but then others (particularly when Cinder is angry, like today when she told Emerald and Mercury to get out) I think it could be better.
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She's absolute dog shit. For such an important role, they should have picked someone who has VA experience instead of a thot selling cosplay lewds to losers.
TheAmbiguousLurker
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She can only do one emote and the best instances of Cinder's character is when she doesn't talk.
There was an entire season where she didn't speak for literally no other reason than "Jessica was busy". Funnily enough it was easily Cinder's strongest season and could have been a great way to seamlessly cut the thot out of the production entirely. Of course that didn't happen and her character has suffered ever since for it.
To clarify, Nigri's performance is one-note awfulness, she is probably slowing production to a crawl with having to do this in between e-begging sessions and she is absolutely charging them out the ass for the "work". If your in charge of production, there is no reason to keep her other than the slight chance that she might maybe possibly give you a quickie behind the set. Which is probably the only reason why she is still being allowed to do this honestly.
Druveer
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Nigri is voice acting.... (sorry I don't follow Rwby I just follow AH and RT)
Jesus Christ RT really is the company built upon nepotism. It was one thing when they were starting out to give jobs for voice acting to the useless shits that work for them, but they are a company with actual backing now, they can actually afford real voice actors. But no they instead give jobs to their friends despite their friends having zero qualifications for the job.
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Absolute garbage. Most of the non-professional VAs have problems emoting once and a while, but Jessica, even after all this time, still doesn't know the basics of emoting or even acting. Every line that comes out of Cinder's mouth seems like either the very first takes, or the bitch isn't putting in any effort whatsoever. I mean say what you want about the in-house VAs, they're at least trying their damedest even if it doesn't come across all that well or are just awful in their own right (I still think Ren's one of the absolute shitty perfomances next to Cinder, not counting incidentals for obvious reasons).
I feel like the only reason they hired her was that she was the only name anyone would have recognized at the time considering their plans to get Sarah Silverman as Neo failed hard. After they got professional talent in Season 3, that should have been the time to recast her with someone that had actual experience, but apparently not.
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I don't think the slime river or whale could have gotten to it if it was literally in outer space. Their satellite thing obviously wasn't high enough since Cinder could just kinda fly up to it, but they don't really have a reason to stop and can presumably go arbitrarily high with the staff.
They would have probably gotten to it anyway if he managed the plan since "The bad guy's plan is ruined forever" kind of puts a damper on the plot, but there isn't really any obvious or simple way for them to get an army there.
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It’s funny. I always thought Kerry was the one I didn’t have to worry about. He doesn’t go off on critics, he was the only one to give a rather logical answer to TheFloofArtist at that RTX, and I always got the impression that he was at least trying to make something worth a damn.
Well, Jessica only got the gig because she was friends with Monty and she looked to probably be the biggest names RT and Monty could land at the time (or at least one of them) and I guess Cinder’s too important in the scheme of the show to recast (that or Jessica brings “star power” to their crowd). As for her performance, she got writing that didn’t really do her any favors (always smug, arrogant seductress), and her direction seems to always be “you’re evil” or “you’re evil, and you’re ANGRY”. As for her performance done have said she improved in V7, still not good but “better late than never” in terms of getting better.
Overall, I’d say she’s passable for the role she does, but the writing she has does her no favors, and she’s not a good enough actress to make it work.
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I don't really like it, but there are moments where it's "passable". I especially dislike the parts where Cinder is all "I want power" or trying to be arrogant and sexy (refer to parts in Vol 2 where she tells Roman to stay or something). She might've been an OK choice if Cinder was a minor villain, but she's not.
Regarding today's episode - it wasn't bad. Cinder's backstory was very predictable and it feels like an attempt to gain the audience's sympathy for Cinder via "if we give them her backstory, she'll be a good character!". Spoiler: it didn't and frankly, I don't think it would have made a difference if we had her backstory or not.
I don't really know what the writers were thinking for Salem to rely on Cinder again after she blatantly disobeyed orders.
Woot, more Grimm. Would be interesting to see if Atlas does fall and give the protagonists a slap of reality, though that might be hoping for too much