RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[Random Internet Person]

Lol, as much as Hazel trying to kill her is any indication, it's simply that even the writers realized too late how fucking retarded it is for the guy to join up with the main reason for why his sister died in the first place.

Still doesn't negate the fact that he still joined her in the end.

Here’s the thing: Hazel is about destroying Ozpin’s system. A system where people are treated like tools. A system where huntsmen are only seen as pawns in a game of chess. A system where every death is just shrugged off and Ozpin just moves on to the next person that can be seen as a means to an end. Hazel’s sister died in this system. And Salem tells Hazel that she can destroy this system and she’s going to replace it with a system where...that shit doesn’t happen. Of course Hazel would sign up with Salem.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

I meant realtive to what's been shown so far with how they've been jobbing to a bunch of teens. Not in the sense of them actually doing something of worth.

That's one thing that has really bothered me about RWBY; its inconsistent power scale. Grimm are a threat that can wipe out entire villages but are easily overpowered by teenagers. Everyone has a semblance, but only a few people use it. Bandits can be simple thugs or powerful assailants with superpowers and advanced weaponry.

They should have made Huntsmen the security forces of Remnant. Say that after the Great War the Kingdoms disbanded their armies. Change aura and semblance to be one and the same, with activating superpowers reducing the shielding of aura. And have most huntsmen not have access to their aura/semblances. Makes the main characters unique and allow them to fight alot of enemies while still making the Grimm and others threatening to the rest of the world.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Conducting on top the whale is clearly a direct reference to the Major conducting on the Blimp in Hellsing. Can't wait for Salem's destruction speech.

The army was useful? They placed units in a fucking parade formation, on the ground, outside of the walls, while fighting a fast moving enemy that surrounded them. The Atlas military is fucking dead, wiped out to a man.

I haven't been watching for like the past two or three seasons, but I have a better strategy. Get the soldiers on the walls, sniping every single big grimm and use explosives on the smaller ones. Mine the land outside of the wall, to make sure every inch gained costs the grimm a dozen or more. They had time to assemble the army outside, so they could have used that time to plan accordingly.

To be fair there wasn't any reason to think the whale had an army inside its belly, and thus prepare landmines on a place that really shouldn't have any land enemies. I think the writer's intent was that the army was sent to deal with the whale before it managed to just roll over their walls.

Which still doesn't excuse the parade formation lol

Edit:
Come to think of it the "Fighting so they can die" thing is also basically from Hellsing

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

I think it was that she wanted to transistion and all that shit, but her parents didn’t approve and disowned her, so she went through with the process because she has nothing to lose at that point.

Nope, as her quote goes, roughly:
"I wanted to help the people of Atlas, they said that means they didn't consider me their son. So, I made sure I could never see myself as their son either, so now I'm a daughter."

 

[Random Internet Person]

Nope, as her quote goes, roughly:
"I wanted to help the people of Atlas, they said that means they didn't consider me their son. So, I made sure I could never see myself as their son either, so now I'm a daughter."

So they disowned her and she transitioned after they turned their backs on each other. Pretty close.

That's one thing that has really bothered me about RWBY; its inconsistent power scale. Grimm are a threat that can wipe out entire villages but are easily overpowered by teenagers. Everyone has a semblance, but only a few people use it. Bandits can be simple thugs or powerful assailants with superpowers and advanced weaponry.

Here’s the thing people don’t really get: there was NEVER a power scale. Every 1v1 fight is a high speed collision of runaway trains where the characters run on raw power and brute strength. Rules and limits are nonexistent. All in the name of “cool”. Any group fights either devolve into the aforementioned 1v1s or play out like a turn based RPG. All this leads to the show having nothing to really stick around for when the high from the cool wears off. And it’s been like that since day one. Monty made this by design, that or he died before things could be explained and the show made it clear he was the only one who could explain it clearly. The fact that students/first years/dropouts/a bunch of kids/teenagers/however you wanna describe them are at the center of this issue just makes everything more egregious.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

Here’s the thing: Hazel is about destroying Ozpin’s system. A system where people are treated like tools. A system where huntsmen are only seen as pawns in a game of chess. A system where every death is just shrugged off and Ozpin just moves on to the next person that can be seen as a means to an end. Hazel’s sister died in this system. And Salem tells Hazel that she can destroy this system and she’s going to replace it with a system where...that shit doesn’t happen. Of course Hazel would sign up with Salem.

With the very person who's just as much of a chess player as Ozma, and who is partly the one responsible for Hazel's grief. It's still incredibly dumb.

The best that Hazel could have done was establish his own faction.

 

[Baubius]

Oh boy, I'm sure having your trans character admit that she only became trans just to piss off her parents is gonna go over well!

oh boy

edit after watching: I cannot believe how fucking terrible Ren's voice actor is. Weiss too, neither of them are capable of displaying emotion when they need to. They always sound like whiny hipsters being edged by their mistresses in Starbucks.

 

[Chilson]

I'd argue it just makes things worse.

Its basically someone shitting on your cereal and insisting that it still tastes good, if not better. Its just spiteful.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

Nope, as her quote goes, roughly:
"I wanted to help the people of Atlas, they said that means they didn't consider me their son. So, I made sure I could never see myself as their son either, so now I'm a daughter."

Ah, so he trooned out of spite. Really brilliant there, RT.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Ah, so he trooned out of spite. Really brilliant there, RT.

Given that this show doesn’t seem to do much for character development, especially for a character on May’s level...ugh. Fucking hell, man

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

Here’s the thing: Hazel is about destroying Ozpin’s system. A system where people are treated like tools. A system where huntsmen are only seen as pawns in a game of chess. A system where every death is just shrugged off and Ozpin just moves on to the next person that can be seen as a means to an end. Hazel’s sister died in this system. And Salem tells Hazel that she can destroy this system and she’s going to replace it with a system where...that shit doesn’t happen. Of course Hazel would sign up with Salem.

You also have to consider that it's already been pointed out by numerous fanfic writers how effectively pointless Hazel's actions are. He wants to destroy the system that Ozma runs on? Good luck with that since he can just reincarnate every time. Neither he nor Salem can die unless the Brother Gods are summoned, and from what Coeur Al'Aran has made exhaustingly clear, he would have been better off starting his own faction, preferably with Raven of all people.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Oh boy, I'm sure having your trans character admit that she only became trans just to piss off her parents is gonna go over well!

That's not even the best part tbh, cause if my memory serves me correctly, this troon was here only to sideline people's heads from the lay-offs.

The writing is just what you expect of RWBY, & the situation of the cause the troon is made upon itself.

 

[madethistocomment]

Oh boy, I'm sure having your trans character admit that she only became trans just to piss off her parents is gonna go over well!

Naturally, all of the fans don't see a problem with this statement whatsoever and even think she's a Kween™ for doing so.

I swear to God, the writers could literally have a gay character walk onscreen, call himself a faggot, and then immediately drop dead from AIDs and the fans would still suck their dicks and talk about what great rep that is.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

You also have to consider that it's already been pointed out by numerous fanfic writers how effectively pointless Hazel's actions are. He wants to destroy the system that Ozma runs on? Good luck with that since he can just reincarnate every time. Neither he nor Salem can die unless the Brother Gods are summoned, and from what Coeur Al'Aran has made exhaustingly clear, he would have been better off starting his own faction, preferably with Raven of all people.

He wouldn't need to start his own faction given his entire problem with the Hunters is basically that they send young people out to fight. He could "fix" that with a bit of politics. Like start a #ThinkOfTheChildren campaign with his tragic backstory as a catalyst. Convince Oz that hunters shouldn't be deployed until 24 or whatever.

Its just kind of dumb overall. Everyone keeps treating RWBY and the other hunters like kids when they where explicitly in college and of fighting age barring Ruby herself. The show acts like they're high-school kids when they could all join the military in real life without anyone questioning anything. College that explicitly didn't let first years (when they might be underage) on dangerous missions even with pros watching their backs. So his problem becomes "Oz is using 18+ year olds to fight his battles!" which is what every politician in the last century has done.

I think his motivation is supposed to be a little dumb. "Oh my sister died I have all this anger I need someone to blame. Oz works.". The problem is that motivations that arn't supposed to be dumb in RWBY end up being dumb anyway, so motivations that are already supposed to be dumb just come out as super dumb.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Its just kind of dumb overall. Everyone keeps treating RWBY and the other hunters like kids when they where explicitly in college and of fighting age barring Ruby herself. The show acts like they're high-school kids when they could all join the military in real life without anyone questioning anything. College that explicitly didn't let first years (when they might be underage) on dangerous missions even with pros watching their backs. So his problem becomes "Oz is using 18+ year olds to fight his battles!" which is what every politician in the last century has done.

Honestly, the biggest problem was that the academies didn’t amount to much, especially since all of the characters were already capable of doing crazy shit and badass moves.

Oh boy, I'm sure having your trans character admit that she only became trans just to piss off her parents is gonna go over well!

And the best part: they had a way to make that not terrible.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

Spoiler: Discussion About the Theme of Episode 7

There are two main points that are made in Episode 7: the first is that Salem's crew doesn't realize exactly what they signed up to do, and the second is that the AceOps aren't actually heartless and they are very conflicted and angry. (And there's a minor point that Ruby makes about there not being sides, which is absolutely ridiculous and naive like everything else Ruby has said this season so fuck her)

The idea that Salem's group other than Tyrian have no idea what her actual goal is is hysterical. Seriously, I've never thought the writing was as bad as it is now. So, these people who have been helping Salem have not been doing it out of fear, or misandry, or idol worship, but because they thought she was going to create some sort of anarchist utopia? When has Salem ever expressed any desires even remotely close to that on screen? Oh, right, she hasn't, she hasn't showed her ideals or her desires once in front of her underlings this entire time. Almost like the writing staff was avoiding that very point like the plague so that they could pull whatever excuse would sit best with the audience at the time out of their ass. If the CRWBY thinks that this will somehow make Hazel and the others redeemable, that's absurd. These people have committed vile and horrific crimes with genuine consequences. The destruction of Beacon is entirely Cinder's fault, and Penny's death was directly caused by Emerald. Mercury goaded Yang into beating him to a near bloody pulp on live TV. These people are not redeemable, nor are they sympathetic. Stop trying to make them sympathetic. Your villains have always been kind of terrible (except for Torchwick) so just accept it and move on.

Here's what you should have done to answer the question 'why are all these people helping Salem?' Just have one of them talk back to her, just one time, and then have Salem torture the shit out of that person. Easy.

Also, the idea that Salem got her ass kicked by Hazel when she first found him is equally stunning. Salem is an all powerful evil witch. And she's not about pain for herself. Even if she was somehow weaker than Hazel, I can't imagine she found Hazel before she found Tyrian, and Tyrian would not have sat back and let Hazel beat his queen up. This makes absolutely no sense and is again, the shittiest writing of the entire show.

Okay, part 2. Ren has magical emotion sensing powers, I guess. These express themselves in the form of colored petals that surround everyone around him, including himself. And if someone's REALLY conflicted, they get surrounded by all sorts of colored petals at once. Well, anything for a great visual, right CRWBY? It's all you guys have left.

The idea that the AceOps are emotionally stunted and refuse to admit they care about each other is childish and another attempt at saying "military bad". These people, as it turns out, are just like Ruby and her friends, with the difference being they acknowledge they are in the middle of a war and they are willing to let someone die if it means saving a bunch of others. Ren, Jaune and Yang are the ones being naive and unreasonable, demanding that they be given time to try and find Oscar while the whale is sitting there spewing out Grimm all day. But hey, it doesn't matter that Oscar knew the risks, that he was willing to risk things, and that Ozma is immortal and would just reincarnate. No, we have to save Oscar no matter the cost. (the cost is every Atlesian citizen who dies while the whale continues to breathe out Grimm, btw).

Again, these people and their retarded friendship speeches make no sense in the context of their situation. There are people dying all around them. There is a massive hoarde of unfeeling monsters attacking the people and Ruby is talking about her and her three friends somehow making a difference to stop that when the entire military can't contain the threat. Every week I complain about this and every week it gets worse, the main cast talk like they know they're main characters. They have no fear. They have no worry about what's going to happen to themselves or the people around them. They just ignore the stakes entirely even as the stakes happen right in front of their eyes.

 

[Chilson]

...Ruby makes about there not being sides, which is absolutely ridiculous and naive like everything else Ruby has said this season so fuck her...

Ruby is fighting literal shadow demons from hell and an immortal witch whose only goal appears to be destroying everyone on the planet. But yeah, there are no sides and Ironwood, the only one with a viable plan to stop her, is clearly just as bad. You can't write one dimensional villain's and pretend there is some gray area, it simply can't happen.

The idea that the AceOps are emotionally stunted and refuse to admit they care about each other is childish and another attempt at saying "military bad".

Jesus Christ, I know this is a minor point but I fucking hate this because of how disrespectful and downright ignorant this entire line of thinking is about the military. I get a major theme of this show's production is the writers writing things they have no understanding or experience with, and not even bothering to do barebones research about said things. But come on, even bad military movies get this right. How could the "best hunters" in Atlas ever be the best if they don't work together like every other military squad on the planet. Or better yet how has Ironwood, a military general with years of experience directly supervising them, not recognized this issue and corrected it immediately?

People who serve together form near unbreakable bonds and care deeply about their fellow comrades in arms. This is the entire point of squad based military structures that were developed 3,000+ years ago, because it creates soldiers who fight longer, harder and more fiercely for their brothers survival. Its not a secret and is encouraged in pretty much every military. The boot camp and building of squad trust is a core feature in most military movies for gods sake and these people have to at least seen one of those, right? I have rock bottom expectations and I am still surprised how they can dig further down.

 

[HumanHive]

Ah, so he trooned out of spite. Really brilliant there, RT.

Hilarious the explanation they went with wasn’t based on identity affirmation or sexuality, just “fuck you dad”.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Also, the idea that Salem got her ass kicked by Hazel when she first found him is equally stunning. Salem is an all powerful evil witch. And she's not about pain for herself. Even if she was somehow weaker than Hazel, I can't imagine she found Hazel before she found Tyrian, and Tyrian would not have sat back and let Hazel beat his queen up. This makes absolutely no sense and is again, the shittiest writing of the entire show.

I think its implied she was doing it to screw with him. Like superman letting the bad guys shoot him a bunch. Actually now that I think about it that was basically how Alucard fought in Hellsing, for a third reference in one episode to the same character. Letting the other guy hit you with their best shot then casually shrugging it off is a decent power play.

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say one of the writers saw Hellsing recently.

Ruby is fighting literal shadow demons from hell and an immortal witch whose only goal appears to be destroying everyone on the planet. But yeah, there are no sides and Ironwood, the only one with a viable plan to stop her, is clearly just as bad. You can't write one dimensional villain's and pretend there is some gray area, it simply can't happen.

I also think they where going for "We're on the same side! We are not your/Ironwood's enemy!" with that line lol

 

[Baubius]

Ruby is fighting literal shadow demons from hell and an immortal witch whose only goal appears to be destroying everyone on the planet. But yeah, there are no sides and Ironwood, the only one with a viable plan to stop her, is clearly just as bad. You can't write one dimensional villain's and pretend there is some gray area, it simply can't happen.

Jesus Christ, I know this is a minor point but I fucking hate this because of how disrespectful and downright ignorant this entire line of thinking is about the military. I get a major theme of this show's production is the writers writing things they have no understanding or experience with, and not even bothering to do barebones research about said things. But come on, even bad military movies get this right. How could the "best hunters" in Atlas ever be the best if they don't work together like every other military squad on the planet. Or better yet how has Ironwood, a military general with years of experience directly supervising them, not recognized this issue and corrected it immediately?

People who serve together form near unbreakable bonds and care deeply about their fellow comrades in arms. This is the entire point of squad based military structures that were developed 3,000+ years ago, because it creates soldiers who fight longer, harder and more fiercely for their brothers survival. Its not a secret and is encouraged in pretty much every military. The boot camp and building of squad trust is a core feature in most military movies for gods sake and these people have to at least seen one of those, right? I have rock bottom expectations and I am still surprised how they can dig further down.

The goal of modern RT is to glue on willfully ignorant, neo-leftist "messages" onto its story. All throughout Volumes 4-8 we've seen shoehorned and mishandled themes of racism, institutional oppression, and capitalism bad shoved down our throats, and RWBY's remaining audience of haters and twelve year old white girls love it. Why would dumbass not-activists portray militiamen as human beings? They are controlled by Atlas, which is supposed to be a strawman for how states and capitalisms are bad or something! They aren't people because the critics that we totally don't care about guys haha said that our villains are shit and we can't write morally gray conflict! But we can, see? See?!