RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Don't Tread on Me said:
The idea that Salem's group other than Tyrian have no idea what her actual goal is is hysterical. Seriously, I've never thought the writing was as bad as it is now. So, these people who have been helping Salem have not been doing it out of fear, or misandry, or idol worship, but because they thought she was going to create some sort of anarchist utopia? When has Salem ever expressed any desires even remotely close to that on screen? Oh, right, she hasn't, she hasn't showed her ideals or her desires once in front of her underlings this entire time. Almost like the writing staff was avoiding that very point like the plague so that they could pull whatever excuse would sit best with the audience at the time out of their ass. If the CRWBY thinks that this will somehow make Hazel and the others redeemable, that's absurd. These people have committed vile and horrific crimes with genuine consequences. The destruction of Beacon is entirely Cinder's fault, and Penny's death was directly caused by Emerald. Mercury goaded Yang into beating him to a near bloody pulp on live TV. These people are not redeemable, nor are they sympathetic. Stop trying to make them sympathetic. Your villains have always been kind of terrible (except for Torchwick) so just accept it and move on.

Here's what you should have done to answer the question 'why are all these people helping Salem?' Just have one of them talk back to her, just one time, and then have Salem torture the shit out of that person. Easy.
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WinchesterPremium said:
I think its implied she was doing it to screw with him. Like superman letting the bad guys shoot him a bunch. Actually now that I think about it that was basically how Alucard fought in Hellsing, for a third reference in one episode to the same character. Letting the other guy hit you with their best shot then casually shrugging it off is a decent power play.
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I think it was said Salem's minions work for her was because Salem's selling point was: "I'm going to destroy everything in the world, create a new structure in my image, and if you follow me, you'll have a nice big role in it". Not only that, but some of her henchmen get to do things to achieve their petty goals as long as they pledge loyalty to Salem: Cinder gets to pursue power as Salem's #2 as they share a Palpatine/Darth Vader, Ozai/Azula relationship, Watts gets to exact his petty revenge on the kingdom he feels didn't recognize his genius, Mercury was trained as an assassin so he just sees this as another payday, albeit a pretty big one, Hazel gets to carry out his own one man crusade to destroy Ozpin's system and salt that shit so nothing ever grows again, and Tyrian is just a lunatic who lives for mayhem and serving someone he biews as a goddess. The real question is why Salem was given so few minions for what CRWBY wants to portray her as.

As for side turning, the only one who's been shown to be on the verge of defecting is Emerald, and that's because she realizes she's in too deep instead of any change of heart.
WinchesterPremium said:
I also think they where going for "We're on the same side! We are not your/Ironwood's enemy!" with that line lol
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You mean the idea is "when the stakes are the end of the world, there's no sides because united we stand, divided we fall"? Hasn't that been Ruby's platform since V7?
HumanHive said:
Hilarious the explanation they went with wasn’t based on identity affirmation or sexuality, just “fuck you dad”.
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RT is the type of people who think those two things are one and the same. I think they tried to make it the gender dysphoria and attemots to transition was the thing that caused things to go to shit.
 
I'm late to giving episode thoughts, but here it is:
- Cool robots from the Atlas army and all, but the army formation is really... weird. I don't know much about military formations but if someone behind the front line shot... wouldn't they just miss or hit the person in front of them?
- Cool Grimm.
- May being trans is fine and all, but the timing of when she comes out was a little... off? Like there's a war happening right in Atlas and she decides it was this moment to tell them "I'm trans, my family disowned me and I don't give a shit about anyone here". I feel it would be better if that revelation happened in Volume 7 or at the beginning of Volume 8 when the invasion of Grimm hadn't started yet. And if it wasn't posted on twitter that May was trans in the first place.
- Ruby saying there are no sides but the whole broadcast was about "Don't trust Ironwood"...
- Whitley and Weiss have a lot of baggage to unpack. Him calling Klein was a " I misjudged you" in Weiss' view, but that doesn't change the fact that she was still an ass to him.
- Yang is really starting to get on my nerves. Jaune is actually decent in negotiating and recognizing that getting emotional isn't going to help their situation. Ren's upgrade on his semblance feels forced. They were in a situation where it was a bit of a deadlock and then Ren can suddenly tell "omg, the AceOps actually care for each other!" and that kind of lets them go to the whale. Cool character development from Ren's side saying that no one is replaceable, but the upgrade feels forced.
- Winter releasing Yang, Jaune, and Ren all at once felt stupid. Like they could just desert right there or rescue Oscar and not tell them anything at all. At least hold back one member so the team knows they have to return or bad things will happen to that member.
- Oscar is starting to feel like the main character of the show. I really like Emerald and Mercury's dynamic. Their dialogue doesn't seem forced at all and actually flows. And- oh, Tyrian and Mercury whisk off to Volume 9 to avoid Volume 8.
- Penny crashlands right in front of the Schnee mansion. What a coincidence.

Not a bad episode, but it feels kind of lackluster for it to be the mid-season finale. Also, why does Ruby still have the mentality of "We are going to save the world and it can't be anybody but us"? You have silver eyes and you can fight with a scythe, but that's really it. This goes back to Volume 4, but what exactly let team RWBY (and by extension, team JNR) go off on their own path while CVFY had to go to Shade Academy?
 
Random Internet Person said:
You mean the idea is "when the stakes are the end of the world, there's no sides because united we stand, divided we fall"? Hasn't that been Ruby's platform since V7?
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"EVERYBODY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! DON'T TRUST IRONWOOD!" so not really lol.

blqcktea said:
- Cool robots from the Atlas army and all, but the army formation is really... weird. I don't know much about military formations but if someone behind the front line shot... wouldn't they just miss or hit the person in front of them?
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Yes. Its parade formation. Formation combat would theoretically be effective in fighting Grimm since they're mostly melee enemies with no explosives or machine guns, but you'd want something like a line of troops behind cover maximizing firepower in one area.

Its mildly related to a column formation you would use to move quickly, but there really isn't any reason to use that once your armies advance past muskets and have enough vehicles to deploy everyone.
 
WinchesterPremium said:
Yes. Its parade formation. Formation combat would theoretically be effective in fighting Grimm since they're mostly melee enemies with no explosives or machine guns, but you'd want something like a line of troops behind cover maximizing firepower in one area.

Its mildly related to a column formation you would use to move quickly, but there really isn't any reason to use that once your armies advance past muskets and have enough vehicles to deploy everyone.
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This kind of style of war was obsolete the minute the semi-auto rifle became a standard infantry weapon. The best way to actually approach this would be to deploy squads in defensive formations with lanes of fire that create crossfire strike points. The Grimm would literally run into a hail of bullets and be killed off with relative ease (Yet another reason the Grimm are not really a threat). The only issue would be ammo and flying Grimm, which are easy enough to account for if you have dedicated AA.
 
Chilson said:
This kind of style of war was obsolete the minute the semi-auto rifle became a standard infantry weapon. The best way to actually approach this would be to deploy squads in defensive formations with lanes of fire that create crossfire strike points. The Grimm would literally run into a hail of bullets and be killed off with relative ease (Yet another reason the Grimm are not really a threat). The only issue would be ammo and flying Grimm, which are easy enough to account for if you have dedicated AA.
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In setting it would probably have always been obsolete against human enemies, given that even criminal organizations have people with superpowers and raw dust seams to have enough explosion-like properties to make formations a dumb idea.

Semi-auto rifles would make line formations unnecessary, but it only makes it obsolete if the other dudes also have semi-auto rifles. Getting all your dudes lined up and having them shoot the enemy that runs at you without any kind of ranged weapon should kill them if Grimm didn't take damage entirely arbitrarily based on how the writers want the fight to go. If we want to talk about the best way then we'd be talking about using heavy air support, artillery, and specialist units. Robots should take on most of the normal infantry roles. Grimm being a melee only threat means one of those laser battleships should be able to kill every non-flying Grimm in existence, shooting them from behind a big wall with explosives from kilometers away should destroy hordes very effectively, and for some reason the Ass-Ops are the only superhuman fighting force we've seen despite Atlas having an entire school dedicated to pushing out people with superpowers to fight and the general of the military also being the headmaster of that school. You'd think at least the teachers would show up. There isn't any reason to fight them off with infantry when their only possible response to flying things and long-distance attacks is to hopefully defeat them with their own flying units, and with how Ren's ability works the Robots should theoretically be basically invisible to the Grimm and unable to attract more thanks to being emotionless machines. They arn't for no apparent reason, but still. For fights that require more intelligent infantry than the robots, Hunters can fight and are basically invincible if they can strategically retreat long enough to recover in addition to being able to easily defeat Grimm that mook infantry has trouble with, in addition to having superhuman abilities that should allow them to move faster with more equipment than traditional infantry.

TLDR the most effective tactic anti-Grimm tactic would be killing them all with non-infantry things IMO. I don't really know tactics lol

HumanHive said:
While I am equally annoyed by the horrible formations, nobody at RT knows actual military tactics and the best thing to do is accept it.
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They could have at least made it a chaotic melee or something
 
Activelo said:
While I was searching through Das Sporking for Back To The Frollo, I found that someone decided to take on the task of sporking RWBY.

https://das-sporking2.dreamwidth.org/1619622.html
https://das-sporking2.dreamwidth.org/1671656.html
https://surgeworks.dreamwidth.org/tag/fandom:+rwby (His sporks tend to be posted here before it appears in Das Sporking).

Thoughts?
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Holy hell, is this guy for real? How hasn't he been torch and pitchforked by the FNDM yet?

"Dumbledore Dumbass." :story:
 
Activelo said:
While I was searching through Das Sporking for Back To The Frollo, I found that someone decided to take on the task of sporking RWBY.

https://das-sporking2.dreamwidth.org/1619622.html
https://das-sporking2.dreamwidth.org/1671656.html
https://surgeworks.dreamwidth.org/tag/fandom:+rwby (His sporks tend to be posted here before it appears in Das Sporking).

Thoughts?
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Gets a little...eh

Except by 2013, this was already starting to become known as a problem. As feminism expanded, people were starting to have less patience with guys who act the way Jaune does. Jaune’s lack of real ability to do harm (for now) does not counterbalance his lack of respect...or general decent behavior. This is where it all begins! Get ready, guys!
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This was when he was harmlessly flirting in V1. "Real ability to do harm"? He called a girl pretty and tried to get on her team. Better call the cops before he's revealed as a rapist.
This might've flown in 2013, but by 2020, it's very, very sour. Approaching the topic of extremism in any movement desiring justice is a balancing act. You have to make sure your audience knows that extremism is not the first problem you take issue with, but the corruption or injustice that caused a reaction like that. No real-life comparisons, please, which I realize might be a large bit to tiptoe around. The point is, you need a certain amount of perspective. If you don't have it, you're going to end up making it clear that you think violence on its own is extremism, which is so far towards the white end of the greyscale that one wonders why you brought it up at all. Anybody can say "wanton destruction and killing is bad" and be right. And a plot that spends too much time doing that after introducing a supposedly serious problem of injustice that should be the primary focus will earn the justified ire of everyone who would otherwise enjoy that plot.
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and a rant about "white genocide" involving the faunist. Or really that whole V1 finale page.

Second, note that this is…rather untypically correct for the tract I was framing it as before. I said earlier that plots with all the hallmarks matching this one tend to boil down to a tone-deaf “oppression is bad, but extremism helps nothing” message, often with a fairly flat depiction of any violence at all as extremism. However, here we see that according to Blake—the character who is a part of the oppressed group—that violence is acknowledged to work. Ugly it may be, but the point is made that even though no one really wants it to come to that, lashing out and busting the peaceful setting open and strewing the pieces everywhere does get results. It wakes people up. The only reason Blake left was that the violence was too much for her, not that it was inexcusable on principle. I could have my words about that suspect bit at the end of “not out of respect, out of fear”, but for now I’ll hold off with the concession that this is unexpectedly wise for a race conflict tract in the hands of white writers and animators.
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"Political violence is actually OK good on RWBY for acknowledging that" lol

…RWY still looking for Blake. Well, Ruby and Yang are, but Weiss isn’t helping. When this is brought up, she stubbornly suggests contacting the police. That is another one of those lines that, in 2013, was tone-deaf, and right now just looks awful. Ruby does not take to this suggestion, and she and Yang insist on hearing Blake out.
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"Calling the police is bad because police are evil in our current climate"

Goes into some good detail, but sometimes gets autistic with the detail which can be a bit distracting. Like someone leading with the wrong foot. Great if you like going off on tangents on things like formations. Its generally a pretty readable recap with some exceptions and off tangent ramps, its differently a different perspective from the average Kiwi on this thread.
 
WinchesterPremium said:
Gets a little...eh


This was when he was harmlessly flirting in V1. "Real ability to do harm"? He called a girl pretty and tried to get on her team. Better call the cops before he's revealed as a rapist.


and a rant about "white genocide" involving the faunist. Or really that whole V1 finale page.



"Political violence is actually OK good on RWBY for acknowledging that" lol



"Calling the police is bad because police are evil in our current climate"

Goes into some good detail, but sometimes gets autistic with the detail which can be a bit distracting. Like someone leading with the wrong foot. Great if you like going off on tangents on things like formations. Its generally a pretty readable recap with some exceptions and off tangent ramps, its differently a different perspective from the average Kiwi on this thread.
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It gets into some wild tangents and rants every now and then. Got bored and stopped reading midway.

While it touched upon a lot of the issues the show has that's already been pointed out by the "haters", it gets excruciatingly autistic here and there.
 
madethistocomment said:
So according to this chick, scars are considered a disability. I have scars running along my leg after I fell off a sea wall, does this mean I enter the paralympics and blow all the other poor schmucks out of the water?
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I thought shit like that was "offensive" to them. Imagine years ago, when a "privileged straight white cishet white male" would refer to scars as a disability or imperfection. They'd have a conniption.
 
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