Off-Topic "Scientific" Studies regarding Transpeople

[AnOminous]

Ok, lets say for arguments sake that "discrimination" was the reason troons have poor mental health. What does the author of that study expect people to do? Force straight men to have sex with trans women because saying no to these people will cause them to kill themselves? These people talk about wanting people to respect them and yet whenever anyone tells these people no they threaten suicide. "Oh your daughters are uncomfortable being in the shower room with a boy who thinks he's a girl? Too bad because the boy will kill himself if he can't shower with the girls." Transgenderism is the only kind of mental health issue that encourages bullying and everyone having to play along. Its no wonder the community is seen as extremely toxic.

You had me at "saying no to these people will cause them to kill themselves." You don't have to sell me harder.

 

[Not A Bunny]

You had me at "saying no to these people will cause them to kill themselves." You don't have to sell me harder.

Exactly. If you can't handle being told that life isn't fair and that sometimes in life, people aren't going to like you, you're not going to do well in life anyway. What you're basically saying to these people is that the world will eventually come around to accommodating their selfish demands. That's not how the world works.

I remember when "peanut allergies" were the big thing and parents of "peanut allergic children" in sighing, melodramatic voices said, upon demanding peanut-free spaces: "your child could learn some empathy" and the big, dramatic: "it's for the life of a CHILD." You know, emphasizing emotionally-charged words so it makes their argument more important.

What happens when your child leaves school and they can't demand everyone around them do things that don't involve peanuts? What happens when the school bullies menacingly wave a peanut butter sandwich at your child? What happens when you have kids without money who can't do better for nutrition bring peanut butter sandwiches to school every day for a cheap source of nutrition, because they can't afford expensive sunflower butter?

Yes, these are all edge cases, but so is your child's condition, and sooner or later, your child will need to learn to take responsibility for it.

Millions of people have survived being the outcast, long before being "trans" was the odd-one-out style of the day. Eventually, they need to learn how to control their emotional reactions to being the weirdo, because there will come a time where there will be no one to coddle them.

 

[AnOminous]

Millions of people have survived being the outcast, long before being "trans" was the odd-one-out style of the day. Eventually, they need to learn how to control their emotional reactions to being the weirdo, because there will come a time where there will be no one to coddle them.

Every one of us is the weirdo at some point. We don't all get special privileges for it.

 

[LimeRikki]

Yes, these are all edge cases, but so is your child's condition, and sooner or later, your child will need to learn to take responsibility for it.

I think maybe overtly demanding accommadations for special needs kids (like front of the line at Disney type stuff) is a better example than a medical condition that actually could kill the person if exposed to the allergen.

Autism mom screaming that anyone trying to control her 'tism tard's meltdown is committing a hate crime is nonsense and should be judged.

Little Timmy's mom asking for a peanut free table in the lunchroom is different. And if Billy the bully knowingly exposes little Timmy to peanuts and Timmy dies, then Billy just committed a crime.

 

[Wallace]

Exactly. If you can't handle being told that life isn't fair and that sometimes in life, people aren't going to like you, you're not going to do well in life anyway. What you're basically saying to these people is that the world will eventually come around to accommodating their selfish demands. That's not how the world works.

There's a deep streak of victim mentality in troon/SJW and associated circles. When you have a CONDITION, that means the shitty state of your life isn't your fault, you're actually super special and interesting, and since you can't do anything about it, the rest of the world needs to manage your emotions for you. Many such cases.

 

[Not A Bunny]

There's a deep streak of victim mentality in troon/SJW and associated circles. When you have a CONDITION, that means the shitty state of your life isn't your fault, you're actually super special and interesting, and since you can't do anything about it, the rest of the world needs to manage your emotions for you. Many such cases.

That's pretty much all of identity politics. That's basically what intersectionality floats on: the fact that there's a metric by which you can state how much less responsibility you have compared to everyone else.

 

[Jacques1194]

I think maybe overtly demanding accommadations for special needs kids (like front of the line at Disney type stuff) is a better example than a medical condition that actually could kill the person if exposed to the allergen.

Autism mom screaming that anyone trying to control her 'tism tard's meltdown is committing a hate crime is nonsense and should be judged.

Little Timmy's mom asking for a peanut free table in the lunchroom is different. And if Billy the bully knowingly exposes little Timmy to peanuts and Timmy dies, then Billy just committed a crime.

I think it is a great comparison considering the link between "gender dysphoria" and autism. The truth is no one except pampering parents encourage their autistic kids to embrace their obsessive thoughts, or excuse their poor behavior by saying "He has autism so he can't help it if he acts rude to somebody." Will confess with my autism that I was taught to try and learn how to improve myself when it came to socializing and keeping my mind from obsessing over a lot of stupid things. Again, its bizarre how gender dysphoria is the only mental health issue where people are encouraged to embrace their delusional thoughts and you're a bigot to think otherwise.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

>"More than 65% of teen troons regret it not 2-4 years later"
>"The famous suicide % kicks in post-surgery"
Why would anyone but indoctrinated cultists think they'd be the one to brave these odds? They use an absurd amount of scientific lingo and reasoning yet just, fucking ignore this entire ass concept. "Half of people in this community/mindset kill themselves or ruin their lives. Nice!"

 

[Dick Johnson]

I'm not super well read when it comes to studies like this, but one thing I always find interesting is what they don't say when it comes to the conclusions they reach.

Somehow no one has thought that perhaps gender dysphoria might be of a piece with depression, anxiety and social phobias in the brain spinning off in directions that are unhealthy for the person as a whole. Even to debunk a heckin' chud who might suggest such a thing.

Much like they do with the correlation between childhood abuse and transgenderism. 'Trans and gender-nonconforming youth can face increased risk of sexual, physical and/or emotional abuse', without even a glance at the idea that maybe such experiences in childhood help contribute to gender dysphoria in adolescence.

The study of transgenderism as a medical phenomenon is hamstrung by the accommodation of transgenderism as an identity and a social grouping.

 

[Athena Save Us!]

I don't put much stock in these brain scans simply because they don't take into account how behavior itself changes the brain. The taxi driver having a more developed navigational region comes to mind, but we can see these changes in other ways as well:

You can change a depressed brain into a 'happy' one simply by having the patient smile more and think positive thoughts: https://brightsidecounseling.com/brain-smiles/

And here's an interesting presentation about how brain science regarding gender is usually flawed to begin with and points out something interesting: one study showed that Christians and non-Christians interpret moral reasoning using different areas of the brain.

The fact that behavior rewires the brain renders many of these studies moot, as we can't tell how someone acting out masculine or feminine stereotypes is affecting the structure of their own brain. Add HRT on top of that and the fact that scans have shown that there are many women with 'man' brains and many men with 'women' brains and you can probably just throw all of the studies out.

If you can't point to a specific brain and say, "This is a man's brain" in the way you can point to a skeleton and say, "This is a male skeleton," then you've got a flawed premise. You have to first prove that there's a universal difference between the brains of different sexes regardless of behavior or the influence of hormones before you can start studying the brains of troons. Before that happens, any study saying that they've proven that trannies have the brains of the opposite sex cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Much like they do with the correlation between childhood abuse and transgenderism. 'Trans and gender-nonconforming youth can face increased risk of sexual, physical and/or emotional abuse', without even a glance at the idea that maybe such experiences in childhood help contribute to gender dysphoria in adolescence.

Because the alternative would look too much like conversion therapy.

People would rather mutilate their own bodies than be evidence of someone else's point, despite the fact that it would just be the simplest possible solution to align the brain with the body instead of the body with the brain.

 

[GluttonousManSlob]

Millions of people have survived being the outcast, long before being "trans" was the odd-one-out style of the day. Eventually, they need to learn how to control their emotional reactions to being the weirdo, because there will come a time where there will be no one to coddle them.

Temperance and delaying gratification are some of the most important things you'll ever learn in your life. Troons never learned this lesson and probably never will, because not even a therapist will tell them that the answer to the gaping void in their souls isn't brutalizing other people into submission and indulging their self-destructive impulses. It's not being an overly emotional bitch and restraining the monstrous fetish that's consuming your life.

 

[Wallace]

Gender medicine and the Cass Review: why medicine and the law make poor bedfellows
British Medical Journal

In April 2024, the final report of the Cass Review, an independent review chaired by Dr Hilary Cass, was published, offering recommendations to improve gender identity services for children and young people in the UK. The core purpose of the Review was to improve care for children and adolescents. Commissioned by National Health Service England, the Review identified a weak evidence base for medical endocrine interventions and recommended that these treatments be provided within a structured research framework. The Review received widespread support from the clinical community. However, in July, the British Medical Association Council, without consulting its own members, unexpectedly passed a motion calling for a public critique of the Review, citing concerns over methodological weaknesses - a position it then softened following public criticism from members, concluding that their review would come instead from a position of neutrality. The original motion was based on two non-peer reviewed online papers, prominently the work of McNamara et al—a paper which was written for a primarily litigious, rather than academic, purpose. We critically examine these sources and analyse the wider legal context in which they have been applied. We conclude that these sources misrepresent the Cass Review’s role and process (specifically, by mistakenly comparing the Review to clinical practice guideline development), while many of the methodological criticisms directed at the Cass Review, including its use of evidence appraisal and systematic reviews conducted by York University, are unfounded. These misunderstandings, based on flawed and non peer-reviewed analyses intended for legal (rather than clinical) purposes, jeopardise the implementation of crucial reforms in the care of gender dysphoric youth. The UK clinical community should move beyond these critiques and focus on the Cass Review’s recommendations to establish a safer, more holistic and evidence-based service model for children and young people experiencing gender identity issues.

 

[Dr. Eldon Tyrell]

However, in July, the British Medical Association Council, without consulting its own members, unexpectedly passed a motion calling for a public critique of the Review, citing concerns over methodological weaknesses - a position it then softened following public criticism from members, concluding that their review would come instead from a position of neutrality.

Yeah, almost as if you can't solve an ethical issue "scientifically". Attacking the scientific framework is useless when large groups of people are ok with castrating kids.
It's not a scientific question to begin with. The whole "life quality improvement" idea ethics commissions live on is insane.
You can either fix and cure people or you can not.
I'm not making things out to be binary here, I'm just saying people know, without any science, that cancer is bad, being schizo is bad but being depressive doesn't call for euthanasia just because you answered some psychometric "life quality assessment" correctly, neither does your kid acting gay call for chopping them up to better larp as women - except if society at large believes this or is apathetic enough. We have laws against maiming people, if I cut a crazy persons leg of to eat it, I'm going to jail, even if they agreed on it - the doctors doing the same here don't.
This is the legacy of "scientists" wanting to do politics.
Psychologists (not all of them, but the ones I'm thinking about here) are a cancer, so are ethics commissions. Torturing animals is wrong, too, no matter how you justify it.
There's just cases to be made for curing cancer vs. monkee feel bad but cracking their skulls with hyraulics to illustrate injuries is just wrong, still that shit was approved long ago - again these are issue you don't need an ethics committee for. We have democracy and legislators for determining what right and wrong. The cass review is a ronorable attempt to disable the machine from within but it won't succeed. The way these things are decided in the first place is broken.

 

[Candidate No 7]

U.S. Study on Puberty Blockers Goes Unpublished Because of Politics, Doctor Says

This is in the New York Times and firewalled but journalist Hannah Barnes shared screenshots on Twitter:

 

[deermeat]

U.S. Study on Puberty Blockers Goes Unpublished Because of Politics, Doctor Says

This is in the New York Times and firewalled but journalist Hannah Barnes shared screenshots on Twitter:

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TWO YEARS???? Only TWO years for you to declare that puberty blockers is safe. Nevermind the fact puberty lasts nearly 5 years, and then of course the body maturing overall between 9 to at least age 25. Nevermind all that. What a fucking joke.
To put things in perspective, not that it's not already obvious but for simply anyone who might wanna explain this BS article to a normie or ally or any potential troon that could be saved....
Think about smoking. How many smokers get all the deadly diseases associated with smoking in only two years from starting to smoke?
Obesity. How many people do you know who became morbidly obese within two years and immeidately suffered from all the diseases associated with obesity?
Drug use. This one might be more flawed, but for the most part how many druggies do you know suffer from all the diseases related to drug use after merely doing drugs for two years? Because even then, I feel like the average struggle for far longer before having any major illnesses.

Just to name a few examples. Now imagine someone making a study and they took peoples reports and made a conclusion. Imagine how that would work. Obesity is good, drug use is good, smoking is good. All of it is good, after all it's been two years right?

Puberty blockers get me so MATI, not so much mad but moreso absolutely disgusted.
Yes Big Pharma is profiting off of mutilation, but there is the underlying theme of pedophilia much like the majority of troon propaganda.

 

[Procrastinhater]

The Gender Cults whole MO is built on a foundation of shit thats why they resist any unbiased study so violently, and use such loaded emotional language to try to discourage open discourse because they know if people start to honestly cost/benefit analyze this shit their whole premise will crumble underneath them.

 

[FinnSven]

Drug use. This one might be more flawed, but for the most part how many druggies do you know suffer from all the diseases related to drug use after merely doing drugs for two years? Because even then, I feel like the average struggle for far longer before having any major illnesses.

Loads of people even pick up a relatively “mild” heroin addiction for years, before they suffer any real problems.

A better comparison would be smoking.

There are people who briefly smoked, gave up, but developed lung cancer anyway.
Maybe puberty blockers don’t show much difference in a relative short term, but there are the invisible undetected effects and risks.

I vaguely recall someone claiming on this forum that even the kids who suffer precocious puberty are put on the blockers with reluctance and monitored and taken off them as soon as its appropriate.

Going to have to do some digging but I quite vividly recall a 90s documentary on UK Channel 4 about two children, boy and girl, who suffered precocious puberty.
The boy understood that while he was a tall boy (5-7 years of age and already over 5 feet) he would be a short man. I forget the specific reason, but it was related to the blockers.

The issues that the children suffered was the girl starting periods at 5, and having the stresses of early puberty nearly 8-10 years too soon, yet the boy was considered a risk to his peer group.

He was obviously larger than other children his age, was already developing adult muscles and could match 14-16 year old boys in strength, and had to be taught appropriate times to masturbate.
The parents, teachers, other responsible adults were also concerned for if he became interested sexually in his female classmates.
Not that they thought he was a young paedophile, more that teenage boys usually develop crushes on their immediate peer groups first of all. Girls tend to attach to unobtainable men like pop and movie stars, but boys initially fancy girls they know.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

The Gender Cults whole MO is built on a foundation of shit thats why they resist any unbiased study so violently, and use such loaded emotional language to try to discourage open discourse because they know if people start to honestly cost/benefit analyze this shit their whole premise will crumble underneath them.

Yes lol. All of the suicide stuff but also the infertility and inability to orgasm that puberty blockers cause that obviously no child can meaningfully consent to. So they screech "why do you care about some kid's genitals you perv?!!"

 

[soup peddler]

U.S. Study on Puberty Blockers Goes Unpublished Because of Politics, Doctor Says

This is in the New York Times and firewalled but journalist Hannah Barnes shared screenshots on Twitter:

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Archive link of the whole article: https://archive.ph/o2pMZ

FFS the irony of "let trans kids grow"....