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I guess I must value this franchise far less than most people. I liked it, and I'm glad it isn't another fucking remake in a sea of remakes, remasters, do overs, and mulligans. Did people really want a panel for panel remake with all of the jokes sanitized and cleaned up for modern sensibilities?
 
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I guess I must value this franchise far less than most people. I liked it, and I'm glad it isn't another fucking remake in a sea of remakes, remasters, do overs, and mulligans. Did people really want a panel for panel remake with all of the jokes sanitized and cleaned up for modern sensibilities?
That is kind-of what we were all expecting. It's an anime, and most anime are shot-for-shot adaptations of manga.
 
I guess I must value this franchise far less than most people. I liked it, and I'm glad it isn't another fucking remake in a sea of remakes, remasters, do overs, and mulligans. Did people really want a panel for panel remake with all of the jokes sanitized and cleaned up for modern sensibilities?
A lot of people just wanted an animated adaptation that was faithful, which I did too. Despite that as I already said I also liked the show.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills or peering into some alternate mandela hell timeline seeing how people talk about this fucking thing on both sides online. Every shmuck out there is pumping out 10 to 50 minute long video essays about this and how it's either some extremely great and progressive "feminist correction" or the new Kevin smith he-man that makes the main character dead and irrelevant while framing them as bad. It's neither of these things, and regardless of what statements come out in response to this shit I will not be able to see it as anything but a goofy ass comedy that keeps the same vibe as the original. People are too brain poisoned by politics shit, too burned by the constant predictable fake-deep "subversions", and too fucking willing to just jump on shit to get max ad rev from clickbaity-ass psuedojourno behavior.
 
I guess I must value this franchise far less than most people. I liked it, and I'm glad it isn't another fucking remake in a sea of remakes, remasters, do overs, and mulligans. Did people really want a panel for panel remake with all of the jokes sanitized and cleaned up for modern sensibilities?
Yeah. I was expecting an adaptation of the comics that catches most of the stuff that the movie missed or couldn't do because of live action limitations.
 
This development pleases me because Michael Cera is a fucking terrible actor and I can't imagine watching a show with him voicing the lead role.
I also absolutely hate the movie despite Edgar Wright also directing some of my favorite movies.
 
Haven't seen it yet, probably won't now, but it sounds like the meme of "Scott being le bad guy" has infected everyone's brains. Yeah scott is intentionally a underachieving leech who blames his problems on everyone else but the point of the story, and basically every story ever made, is that he gradually gets better. My favorite part of the comics was scott finally getting off his ass and getting a real job and truly become more mature because of it. The literal fucking climax of the series is him gaining self respect when he stops moping over ramona and releases he needs to become better for himself and not anyone else.
Bad old storytelling:
Character has a flaw, overcomes the flaw and becomes a better person and is rewarded for it.
Good modern storytelling:
Women/tranny/faggot/nigger is perfect but doesn't know it, god herself tells him he is perfect and never needs to change and rewards her for it.
 
Bad old storytelling:
Character has a flaw, overcomes the flaw and becomes a better person and is rewarded for it.
Good modern storytelling:
Women/tranny/faggot/nigger is perfect but doesn't know it, god herself tells him he is perfect and never needs to change and rewards her for it.
The story isn't really either of these, so where does that put it? I mean there's bits of self improvement stuff but overall like it's nowhere near as much as the original.
 
Yeah. I was expecting an adaptation of the comics that catches most of the stuff that the movie missed or couldn't do because of live action limitations.
Same here.

I can't say I was all that excited to see this show, because the thing that I find most interesting about Scott Pilgrim is that how much I soured on the comic with the passage of time.

I was at the right age at the right time when it came out, I was also early 20's, I liked old videogames, I also went to a lot of hole in the walls to watch shitty bands and I knew what Clash at the Demonhead was. it was a fresh take on the manga influences that western comics did struggle with and it was fun.

Reading it now, I fucking hate it. I get that we are not supposed to like either Scott or Ramona, and to the comic's credit, few stories managed to caputure the "I'm at the center of the universe" self-centered nature of the 20-somethings. But goddamn, I don't like ANY of these people, even when they are supposedly "trying to get better". I get the critique that the comics is trying to do to that generation, but the aloof, smug and self-satisfied tone it has doesn't help you to endear to the characters and story, to the point that I got to the 4th volume and I just couldn't give a singular shit anymore and just "speed read" the last 2. And the elements os videogame and manga influences do nothing for me anymore "oh he needs to defeat the seven evil bosses, just like in megaman!!! (I know it's 6)" Yeah yeah, very clever, videogame world haha! Fuck off.

But what I struggle with this is I can't tell if Scott Pilgrim is just a bad story, or time has made it bad for me with it's irreverent way of storytelling aging like milk.

Regardless, reading about how convoluted and weird the story of the anime adaptation came out, I gotta ask, why didn't they just follow the comic, that even I think it sucks, it is the main (if not only) source of this IP sucess. Why have this weird time travel, mind control chip mess of a plot?
 
Regardless, reading about how convoluted and weird the story of the anime adaptation came out, I gotta ask, why didn't they just follow the comic, that even I think it sucks, it is the main (if not only) source of this IP sucess. Why have this weird time travel, mind control chip mess of a plot?
-Because they wanted to make a redemption arc to Ramona Flowers, since her character was seen with bad eyes on the original work, but they wanted a Ramona in different circumstances to do that.
-Because they didn't want to address a bunch of major plot points from the original work that likely wouldn't translate well to modern audiences, there are elements and characters missing (Knives parents, Nega Scott) and character arcs completely vanished (Kim, Knives and Stephen), the real question is why they thought Wallace's thirstiness and Neil's aborted character arc to write a script were better replacements for all of that.
 
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This is what happens when a whole generation of BPD fatties with easily obtained degrees get into a writing room. They are more concerned with activism, making minorities more present in the story for the sake of it, than they are actually writing a competent story and keeping the base of the story consistent.

That’s really the main goal with rewriting stories or creating new ones, your fictional universe has to operate with some rules in mind that work with the expectations people have and work with the consistency of the characters that inhabit it. You can slightly bend the rules but you can never outright break them. These idiots in these writing rooms have never studied literature or worked on anything noteworthy and it shows, this is written by an activist who wants to preach their weird BPD girl message in subtext and it shows.

In a way, Negative XP are still right. The movie did ruin a whole generation of girls and ironically, it looped right back around when those girls ruined Scott Pilgrim. That, my friends, is stellar writing.
 
-Because they wanted to make a redemption arc to Ramona Flowers, since her character was seen with bad eyes on the original work, but they wanted a Ramona in different circumstances to do that.

If that's the case, then they didn't even read the original work. Ramona does have a redemption in the end. She goes back to Scott and is genuine in her apology for the way she left.

The whole thing about Ramona is that she kept people, moreso her boyfriends, at arm's length, with her aloof "cool girl" demeanor. Maybe that was for self-defence or just being afraid of being stuck in a place, but whenever her relationships got even a little bit more complicated, she would bail without a word, without caring if she was messing people up. But in the end she did come back to apologise to Scott for leaving the way she did.

The point in the end is that neither Scott or Ramona really changed their selfish ways, they just acknowledged that they were shitty people and are going to work together to be better. Change takes time and honesty with oneself.

But Ramona was nowhere near as bad as Scott, so why... Oh... Ohhh the song, don't tell me did this because of that dumb song.

Because if that is the case, then man, Scott Pilgrim just got hilarious to me again.
 
I was at the right age at the right time when it came out, I was also early 20's, I liked old videogames, I also went to a lot of hole in the walls to watch shitty bands and I knew what Clash at the Demonhead was. it was a fresh take on the manga influences that western comics did struggle with and it was fun.

Reading it now, I fucking hate it. I get that we are not supposed to like either Scott or Ramona, and to the comic's credit, few stories managed to caputure the "I'm at the center of the universe" self-centered nature of the 20-somethings. But goddamn, I don't like ANY of these people, even when they are supposedly "trying to get better". I get the critique that the comics is trying to do to that generation, but the aloof, smug and self-satisfied tone it has doesn't help you to endear to the characters and story, to the point that I got to the 4th volume and I just couldn't give a singular shit anymore and just "speed read" the last 2. And the elements os videogame and manga influences do nothing for me anymore "oh he needs to defeat the seven evil bosses, just like in megaman!!! (I know it's 6)" Yeah yeah, very clever, videogame world haha! Fuck off.
It's absolutely a YA/coming of age story for a VERY specific group of people, that came out at pretty much the perfect time for maximum coverage of that kind of people. I'm sure I'd also absolutely fucking hate it if I read it again, being the person that I am now. I don't think it's a bad story per se, but the people the books were aimed at are now 30 or older, and grew out of the hipster arthoe (male) mentality. The irreverent storytelling aged like milk less because of Scott Pilgrim itself, and more because every big movie in the last however many years it's been since The Avengers has done it, and everyone's been bombarded by it, retroactively making SP more grating to read, even though it was pretty fresh and unique when the books were actually coming out.

But I still would've preferred a direct adaptation of the comics over whatever this is. Because if I ended up hating a 1:1 adaptation I'd at least feel good about not being an insufferable hipster anymore.
 
If that's the case, then they didn't even read the original work. Ramona does have a redemption in the end. She goes back to Scott and is genuine in her apology for the way she left.

The whole thing about Ramona is that she kept people, moreso her boyfriends, at arm's length, with her aloof "cool girl" demeanor. Maybe that was for self-defence or just being afraid of being stuck in a place, but whenever her relationships got even a little bit more complicated, she would bail without a word, without caring if she was messing people up. But in the end she did come back to apologise to Scott for leaving the way she did.

The point in the end is that neither Scott or Ramona really changed their selfish ways, they just acknowledged that they were shitty people and are going to work together to be better. Change takes time and honesty with oneself.

But Ramona was nowhere near as bad as Scott, so why... Oh... Ohhh the song, don't tell me did this because of that dumb song.

Because if that is the case, then man, Scott Pilgrim just got hilarious to me again.

The series is less "Oh Ramona redemption arc!!" and more "Ramona and the other characters stumble around either trying to figure out where the fuck scott is after realizing he's not dead for a few episodes" also "excuse to give the exes more dialogue."

Scott and Ramona in "the future" have relationship issues and future scott takes it as him getting "divorced" but is incredibly fucking vague about the details scooting around shit when telling past scott about it. Anyways both Future Scott and Future Ramona come up with their own separate sort of stupid backasswards "time travel plot" to save their relationship" that the show itself frames as dumb. .
 
“Why did the Canadian Netflix show want to put a greater emphasis on the openly gay character being openly gay?”
Unless I glossed over something and they are the same person, original Wallace ends dumping Mobile in favor of the uncle that works at Nintendo, Mobile still meets past Wallace in the ending, they can't even treat their faggots with consistency.
 
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I'm surprised they didn't have Ramona with some ridiculous 777 exes, just to hammer the idea that she is a complete cumdump.
you can fuck someone without being in a relationship with them. whores especially aren't dating people. Plus the source material came out in the 2000s, pre-tinder. you'd have to be quite the cunt to have 7 different relationships by then.
, or time has made it bad for me with it's irreverent way of storytelling aging like milk.
literally the 2nd one, people don't realize how "cringy" that whole era was. Look at Weezer, its a huge band, but its albums from that era might as well be the soundtrack to /r9k/. The comic was made during a time when the internet was still new so plenty of loser white dudes all over the world were able to reach out to each other and realize they too love video games and anime. unlike high school where 1% of the population might have the same interests as you, now you can fill your entire social group with people just like you. It was the era of Myspace and when dyed hair and tattoos were absurdly niche. People seem to forget that the comics came out at a time when guys like Patton Oswalt were considered the king of cool for having the balls to say he hopes some teenage girl from a reality show dies of aids. white people still had cliques and weren't all just assumed to be a monolith like in prison. so stuff appealing to those nerdy white dudes could break out and sell to their niche and do absurdly well. its why we ended up with stuff like the scott pilgrim movie or chuck or 6 seasons of community.

you think this comics bad you should look at old youtube videos, or if you're extremely lucky archives of old forums and websites from that era. or old episodes of AOTS. its all crap.
 
[...] how much I soured on the comic with the passage of time.
[...] few stories managed to caputure the "I'm at the center of the universe" self-centered nature of the 20-somethings.
Exactly how I feel about it, very well put. I didn't like it much at it's popularity height, and reading it again a few years ago was almost painful. I still think that people have a right to like it even if I don't and expect an adaptation to at least respect the original work.

I gotta ask, why didn't they just follow the comic, that even I think it sucks, it is the main (if not only) source of this IP sucess
Because with today's streaming platforms desperate war over people's attention, faithfully adapting a (relatively) niche work is not enough to justify the cost of producing a new show, much less an animated one, and that's ignoring how non-kosher half of Scott Pilgrim is nowadays. The pool of people who really care about Scott Pilgrim in 20 fucking 23 is small, specially compared to the absurd viewings requirements for a current Netflix show to be considered anything more than a disaster. The only way to beef up those numbers (that isn't making an effort to make a really good show which sounds hard) is trying to bring people from outside the small dedicated fan base by using whatever tactic they can. Controversy works best in those scenarios, a hate-watch, an I-support-current-thing-watch or a confusion-watch is as good as any other watch as far as number on a spreadsheet go, and has the added benefit of people from both sides of the controversy making online noise on social media with Xitters and Youtube analisys and all that garbage. Tying your newest show's success to the lifespan of a internet controversy is a very short-term strategy that's been proven time and time again to be very detrimental in the long run, but at this point everyone knows that Netflix's (and other's) current business model is untenable.

Did people really want a panel for panel remake with all of the jokes sanitized and cleaned up for modern sensibilities?
I can't say I like this black-and-white argument when something like this happens. There's a middle ground between making an unnecessarily faithful literal adaptation and just taking the name and the first chapter of something to bait-and-switch viewers. People wouldn't mind an alternative take on the original story, or some sort of a what-if scenario but you have to , but the fact that the presentation, the name and the promotional materials represented a more or less faithful adaptation makes it dishonest and shows lack on faith on your altered version of the product.
 
I'm just gonna stick with the original movie as a double feature with kick ass to remind myself of the days if future past gone bye...aka the pre clown world days where having 7 exes was actually and rightfully shamed....although.


Of all the retarded reboots/sequels to come out in Current Year this might just be the funniest. It's such a product of it's time, and I say that knowing 100% that people are going to look back on this era of fiction the same way we look back on the dark age of animation.
So you're saying this might be the first post clown world product that is actually so bad its good? And here I thought that was utterly impossible. Then again everyone on the farms was expecting barbie to be a feminist circle jerk that would get bombed (pun intended) by Oppenheimer at the box office. Only for everyone to do a full 1984 hate week and change their minds when they saw it was secretly the most based movie to come outta clown world.
 
Of all the retarded reboots/sequels to come out in Current Year this might just be the funniest. It's such a product of it's time, and I say that knowing 100% that people are going to look back on this era of fiction the same way we look back on the dark age of animation.
I feel bad for all the Scott Pilgrim fans out there who were looking forward to this, I really do (kinda), but I'm lmaoing over here
 
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