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Talking with JackalRelated about setting up the first version of the MAST Server, “The War Criminals” where Yurt members got a “Watergater” role to lampshade our corruption to ourselves. Second one was a check-in to evaluate him for promotion where we talk about his work.

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this is how we found out that Modulum was a good candidate to make feel like he was part of something bigger than himself by joining the Yurt. We basically tricked these kids into betraying the trust of their non-Yurt colleagues by selling it to them as a way they could leave a mark on the Wiki.
That's two more. Keep this up and people might actually start believing you soon.
 
That's two more. Keep this up and people might actually start believing you soon.
I don’t know if I have any more blatant examples in me if only because everyone else on the list was either so young that it was easy to put the wool over their eyes and/or were complete technocrats with no political ambitions. I think that you can see the picture though, no? A well-intentioned group of people with hard power, soft power, and social cache grouped together to make the ss work for them and they thought they were doing the right thing by virtue of accomplishing their goals, even if it meant subverting established communication channels and power structures.

We gamed the system and won, but I regret myself participating terribly and I wish to speed up the entropy of the Yurt consolidation of power so that at least there’s a chance of reversing the slide into upvote culture.
 
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I don’t know if I have any more blatant examples in me if only because everyone else on the list was either so young that it was easy to put the wool over their eyes and/or were complete technocrats with no political ambitions. I think that you can see the picture though, no? A well-intentioned group of people with hard power, soft power, and social cache grouped together to make the ss work for them and they thought they were doing the right thing by virtue of accomplishing their goals, even if it meant subverting established communication channels and power structures.

We gamed the system and won, but I regret myself participating terribly and I wish to speed up the entropy of the Yurt consolidation of power so that at least there’s a chance of reversing the slide into upvote culture.
So, wait, your problem with how Yurt coordinated things was that they were subverting established communication channels and power structures? The things you're now condemning here? Given how much you seem to hate the current hierarchy among staff, I would think that you would be in a favor of anything that subverts it.
 
So, wait, your problem with how Yurt coordinated things was that they were subverting established communication channels and power structures? The things you're now condemning here? Given how much you seem to hate the current hierarchy among staff, I would think that you would be in a favor of anything that subverts it.
That’s why I actively and happily participated to begin with, our uniting force was being tired of an antiquated and rickety system, but ultimately the Yurt having control is not an improvement because it’s not altruistic, it’s an invisible power broker that has no transparency or integrity. Say what you will about the ss, at least they put token effort into transparency and explaining their actions, they take some degree of responsibility for their actions as public figures. The Yurt represents an unnatural concentration of power with no such accountability.
 
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That’s why I actively and happily participated to begin with, our uniting force was being tired of an antiquated and rickety system, but ultimately the Yurt having control is not an improvement because it’s not altruistic, it’s an invisible power broker that has no transparency or integrity. Say what you will about the ss, at least they put token effort into transparency and explaining their actions, they take some degree of responsibility for their actions as public figures. The Yurt represents an unnatural concentration of power with no such accountability.
While I agree with you, your story has changed. When you first started talking about it, Yurt was a large conspiracy by Kaktus and friends to control wiki staff, which ultimately led to Kaktus having influence equivalent to that of an Admin despite not being staff in any capacity. Then, we asked for strong proof that you consistently failed to provide, the proof you did provide wasn't evidence of a conspiracy on the scale you were claiming, and the leak of your IRC history was mostly nothing of value. Now that all of that has happened, Yurt is now a well-intentioned group of people trying to push for positive change on the wiki who have unwittingly set up something with less accountability than the pre-existing staff hierarchy. Those are two different things.
 
While I agree with you, your story has changed. When you first started talking about it, Yurt was a large conspiracy by Kaktus and friends to control wiki staff, which ultimately led to Kaktus having influence equivalent to that of an Admin despite not being staff in any capacity. Then, we asked for strong proof that you consistently failed to provide, the proof you did provide wasn't evidence of a conspiracy on the scale you were claiming, and the leak of your IRC history was mostly nothing of value. Now that all of that has happened, Yurt is now a well-intentioned group of people trying to push for positive change on the wiki who have unwittingly set up something with less accountability than the pre-existing staff hierarchy. Those are two different things.
I myself was remembering as I scoured my logs, I don’t see that much daylight between the poles you describe and the way I’ve described them. Woe and Kaktus and I knew what we were doing at least, everyone else had some idea but we told each other enough that we started believing it was all for the greater good. It was an organic process taking advantage of opportunities that added up to infiltrating and corrupting the ss by virtue of holding every key position of power. The server evolved from Rounderhouse’s social room to the Yurt’s political HQ with venting/socializing and such on the side. It was and probably still is nice to have a place say what you can’t say anywhere else. But not when it’s the room where the real decisions get made outside of accountability.

We also don’t know what we don’t know about my logs, there’s a ton of unsorted material there and it is far to early to be washing your hands of it.
 
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I myself was remembering as I scoured my logs, I don’t see that much daylight between the poles you describe and the way I’ve described them. Woe and Kaktus and I knew what we were doing at least, everyone else had some idea but we told each other enough that we started believing it was all for the greater good. It was an organic process taking advantage of opportunities that added up to infiltrating and corrupting the ss by virtue of holding every key position of power. The server evolved from Rounderhouse’s social room to the Yurt’s political HQ with venting/socializing and such on the side. It was and probably still is nice to have a place say what you can’t say anywhere else. But not when it’s the room where the real decisions get made outside of accountability.

We also don’t know what we don’t know about my logs, there’s a ton of unsorted material there and it is far to early to be washing your hands of it.
I see a pretty significant difference, but I suppose that's a matter of perspective.

Also, I can guarantee you with absolute certainty that 95% of the logs I got from your Mibbit account mean absolutely nothing due to either being irrelevant drama, people who aren't part of Yurt, or discussion of things completely unrelated to Yurt. Even the PMs you personally advised me to check were barely relevant to anything being discussed here.
 
I see a pretty significant difference, but I suppose that's a matter of perspective.

Also, I can guarantee you with absolute certainty that 95% of the logs I got from your Mibbit account mean absolutely nothing due to either being irrelevant drama, people who aren't part of Yurt, or discussion of things completely unrelated to Yurt. Even the PMs you personally advised me to check were barely relevant to anything being discussed here.
Not everything is tied up in Yurt corruption, there’s still plenty of ss hypocrisy to be mined if you know what to look for. Perhaps we’ll have to sit down for an evening sometime and really drill down together.

For example, not from IRC but here’s the SCP Admin/Captain Discord server learning that Caro had gotten control of RPC from CFOperator, this discussion was ultimate fruitless because Caro did not like me telling her what to do RE:RPC but it is an enlightening look at how RPC was seen from atop the ss hierarchy. Everyone in this conversation was at the time an active ss admin, Dexanote is the only one still standing.

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For example, not from IRC but here’s the SCP Admin/Captain Discord server learning that Caro had gotten control of RPC from CFOperator, this discussion was ultimate fruitless because Caro did not like me telling her what to do RE:RPC but it is an enlightening look at how RPC was seen from atop the ss hierarchy. Everyone in this conversation was at the time an active ss admin, Dexanote is the only one still standing.

I find it fascinating that they're split on what to do. I would think the consensus would be to just delete it.
 
For example, not from IRC but here’s the SCP Admin/Captain Discord server learning that Caro had gotten control of RPC from CFOperator, this discussion was ultimate fruitless because Caro did not like me telling her what to do RE:RPC but it is an enlightening look at how RPC was seen from atop the ss hierarchy. Everyone in this conversation was at the time an active ss admin, Dexanote is the only one still standing.

There are so many different conflicting testimonies regarding Caro and her relationship to RPC that I can't tell if she's a psycho or an idiot
 
I find it fascinating that they're split on what to do. I would think the consensus would be to just delete it.
Here’s a little bit of the other side:
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These two screens are all I ever got of RPC from Caro. First is her and another RPC person talking about CFO before he handed her power (iirc) and one page of the hundreds of pages of outgoing DMs she sent while managing RPC, I believe it was after or near the end of her time there I believe it wasn’t longer than a single-digit period of months. That’s just going by my memory though.
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Here’s a little bit of the other side:
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These two screens are all I ever got of RPC from Caro. First is her and another RPC person talking about CFO before he handed her power (iirc) and one page of the hundreds of pages of outgoing DMs she sent while managing RPC, I believe it was after or near the end of her time there I believe it wasn’t longer than a single-digit period of months. That’s just going by my memory though.
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Wow....ok follow up question when did you realize you were dating a psycho killer?
 
The following is taken from #site67, the staff chat. It shows an example of the staff explicitly evaluating political opinion and affiliation in regards to the possible promotion of a site member.

2019-02-09
<Modern_Erasmus> Idk why reverend fox is up for promotion
<Ard> maybe he does a lot of forum crit
<Modern_Erasmus> yeah but up until recently he ran a wikidot blog with a ton of concerning statements
<MobileMagnus> Link?
<Roget> Oh that guy?
<Modern_Erasmus> including rants about "hollywood people" not being human and the usual sjw bashing
<MobileMagnus> Has he ever expressed these on the wiki?
<MobileMagnus> We can't keep someone from.being staff for having unfortunate political inclinations.
<TombAFK> what the fuck
<MobileMagnus> I mean, we can, but wtf.
<Modern_Erasmus> MobileMagnus: he was a hugely arrogant prick back in 2017 but he hasn't in the past few months that I know of
<TombAFK> MobileMagnus: I mean, that really depends
<Roget> Do we know who's going up for promotion?
<Modern_Erasmus> Roget: yeah
<TombAFK> like, "political inclinations" has broadened in bad ways recently
<Modern_Erasmus> Roget: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eaHkwfqf88wyiAjiP2yR3PIK1_C4ub7NteQS8cLzy5Q/edit
<MobileMagnus> I mean....yes, obviously.
<Roget> nice
<MobileMagnus> But if he's not acted on them, and he's not a douche about it....he can be wrong and douche in his private life.
<Modern_Erasmus> It looks like the disturbing blog has been deleted, it used to be a wikidot site calling the "ranting reverend"
<MobileMagnus> Mmm.
<Modern_Erasmus> MobileMagnus: yeah but we have to trust him with 67 access
<TombAFK> once someone posts something publicly, they don't get to say it's their private shit or whatever
<MobileMagnus> True.
<TombAFK> if I put my dumb fucking opinions on my tumblr and I don't get a job because of it, that is a) terrible and b) fair
<Modern_Erasmus> http://nerdity-method.wikidot.com/ he also has this weird blog where he promises that he's working on some "revolutionary writing method"
<MobileMagnus> Option 1) ask him about it.
<MobileMagnus> Option 2) deny him.
<Modern_Erasmus> which A. sounds like a mlm scheme and B. speaks again to his tendency towards arrogance
<MrAnakinSpecter> scantron does exactly that, tuomey
<TombAFK> I mean, yes?
<TombAFK> lots of people put dumb opinions on tumblr
<TombAFK> it's practically the dumb opinions generator
<TombAFK> and I say this as someone on tumblr
<MrAnakinSpecter> my point was more that they post dumb scp opinions
<MobileMagnus> I have never seen this blog, so I dunno wtf the content is first hand. Is there an internet archive of it?
<TombAFK> I guess okay
<Modern_Erasmus> MobileMagnus: I can pull one up rq
<MobileMagnus> If you'd be so kind.
<MobileMagnus> I have no problems confronting someone about political leaning when I'm about to let them potentially help run the site.
<MobileMagnus> I just feel weird denying without a conversation.
<MrAnakinSpecter> who would?
<Modern_Erasmus> MobileMagnus: https://web.archive.org/web/20180729040912/http://ranting-reverend.wikidot.com/
<MobileMagnus> I dunno.
<MrAnakinSpecter> "Ever since I was seventeen" no way this kid is older than seventeen
"However, my first paycheck was spent on gas for my car, insurance, and my first earned purchase2 — a brown duster and a cowboy hat, both of which I still have and use."
is this kid for real holy shit
> posted on Saturday: 10 March, 2018
<Modern_Erasmus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwPxnnaek84 here's a video of his that was also quite concerning for me
[The guy's video is him saying that he doesn't want to discuss identity politics with people on facebook anymore because no one has the capacity to have a discourse, that they only want validation of their feelings. He says he doesn't care if his political opinions offend someone because facts>feelings. An example is how there are biological differences between men and women. Sounds like a lowkey SCP critique, no wonder. He isn't wrong. Cringy. But not wrong.]
<TombAFK> I'm not watching a video rn but I want to point out the date on these things
<MrAnakinSpecter> is he wearing his trenchcoat and cowboy hat
<TombAFK> Less than a year ago, although not by much
<MrAnakinSpecter> yeah 2018 is too close to the present for me to be comfortable with these things
<TombAFK> Point is, while people can change, it generally takes a while
<MrAnakinSpecter> "If there were a gun to my head on the matter, though, I'd have to identify as a centrist." i refuse to believe this isn't intentionally a stereotype thing christ
<MobileMagnus> So, nothing here is like....
<MobileMagnus> Molotov in the window.
<MobileMagnus> He's just a pretentious most likely white dude.
<TombAFK> oh, we're well over quota on those
<Modern_Erasmus> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI35RdClDyw here's another video from december btw
<Modern_Erasmus> I don't think he's a bigot or anything, but he's remarkably shortsighted when it comes to privelege. This vid is basically a long rant about how he doesn't like identity politics and he's had it hard for being a radical centrist. And that privilege shouldn't matter, internal stuff should matter, etc
02:38:56: <Ard> RADICAL CENTRISM
02:39:21: <MrAnakinSpecter> tubular centrism
02:39:26: <MrAnakinSpecter> bodacious centrism
02:39:34: <rumetzen> >privilege shouldn't matter
02:39:37: <rumetzen> hey, we agree!

Here's another instance, from pixelatedharmony's PMs themselves, of site staff intentionally promoting select political views (sorry if this has already been shared)... also seems like a pre-Yurt recruitment pitch:
2019-06-07
<Roget> I'm also trying to get my reform agenda started up again, I had a nice chat with moose and xe inspired me to try and take a page out of Troy's book to get stuff done here
<TSATPWTCOTTTADC> Ooh. Nice. I'm only aware of your various idea for changing site navigation, some of which have been implemented already.
<TSATPWTCOTTTADC> What else do you want to reform?
<Roget> I want to change site navigation, I want to make collaborative pages a bigger part of the site, I want to make some individual staff positions and promote more women and lgbt people to mod
<Roget> I want us to update our css, and maybe even go off with the russians new site
<TSATPWTCOTTTADC> I've been pretty happy with UraniumEmpire's quick recent acclimatization to IO work and decisive actions on the subreddit. She's also shown good initiative as CO staff.
<Roget> UraniumEmpire is one of the people on my list
<Roget> I generally want to try to bring a new generation of staff in, I feel like our roster, especially at Mod, has been stagnant for awhile

There are likely several, several more instances of this in these logs.

One of the links that Modern_Erasmus shares is the answer sheet to a class of Junior staffers looking at possible promotion. They answer questions, are asked if it is ok for staff to see them, I'm guessing not expecting them to just shit on them (guess again). This document represents a certain class being considered around Feb 2019. Out of 10 applicants, 6 are members identified by @pixelatedharmony as members of the covert influencer group, Yurt. Not sure that means anything, just something I noticed. Not saying this was a coordinated thing, but hey, the Yurt is there, it would appear. And promotions are recommendations from higher up staff...

(A Google doc, I am not going to log in here, so just navigate around the darkened background and the notice, you aren't missing much.)

Some of the answers here are worth highlighting; some hilarious, some enlightening:
Why do you want to become staff?

"I felt like I should give back to the community." [ 🤮]

"Well... there's two different states of everything, consumer and creator..." [Nope, next]


What do you think you can bring to the staff team?

"I spent a few years of my life being a community organizer for my local fighting game community. If you are unfamiliar, those people tend to be rather aggressive, but I never once lost my cool when dealing with them as a Tournament Organizer."

"softness and understanding"

"My least favorite phrase? 'That probably won't work.'"



What are your greatest weaknesses?

"I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt more often than not, I suppose." - GabrielJade (didn't want to list his uncontrollable pedophilia)

"I over empathize. A lot. I'm a big softie at heart and I try to see the best in people no matter what the situation" - Uncle Nicolini, who has been tagged as a sex pest creep ITT

"That's an easy one and I'm not going to sugar coat it. I mentioned above that "I like to see things getting done."


What do you think are the best qualities of a good staff member, or are qualities we look for in staff members?
"An ability to think of how things will affect the core community in the long run is probably important. Without the long view it's easy to do lots of work that ends up... making things in the future more complicated than they should be." [I just thought this prophecy here was saturated in the irony of current events.]


What do you see as the biggest issue within the community at this time?

"Issues arising from that one knockoff site that cropped up following the June drama."

"Its toxicity"
(!... I don't think this person got promooted!)

"The culture of upvotes that the site has bred. There's nothing wrong with being successful, but being discredited for not having as many upvotes as Author X is disheartening to new authors and it makes them feel irrelevant. We are a collaborative writing site and it should really feel more like one around here." -Uncle Nicolini [now yer talkin' my language!... sad how quickly that sentiment seems to fade at the altitudes of the ruling class... like the oxygen levels]

"Satellite members of the community who have dramatically different views than core members. This has faded a lot since June, but there's still been activity there."

"I feel that this community in general can be a little too oppressive in its moderation."



What do you see as the biggest issue in staff at this time?

"A sense of mistrust within the community and staff."

"A tendency to invoke staff privileges"

"I think the handling of the [Psyantroos] case was handled somewhat poorly...
Later: The situation is something I know had a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes and I shoudln't make judgements about it from my position." ("
Taylor: Asked me to change their answer to the ‘problems within staff’ question - I told them I could not, but could record their caveat. It is recorded underneath their original answer, starting with ‘Later:’")

It is sad to see, e.g. UncleNicolini, a bright and promising author who has a pretty accurate finger on the pulse of the site, and then step into the staff to be digested and become part of the greater digestive tissue. You guys forgot where you came from.

and @ToS isn't finding much of anything in the #site67 logs.
On that note, I have not been able to corroborate pixelatedharmony's claim about DrMagnus mentioning the excess funds from the gofundme to be a slush for Project Foundation. (Yet?) But maybe 10% of the potentially relevant dialogue has been carefully combed through. I also was unable to find any meaningful material on mlister + the foreknowledge of SadXaio/SaX as a pedo. Although, there are plenty of instances of staff referring to it in hushed terms, like "what a way to go" and "glad he's gone now" and "I have a cousin who is about 13, I would hurt anyone who touched her wrong". Stuff like that, but no smoking guns.

I did find this:
No conspiracy pushing here, but this was an odd thing to see, 4 months before the -RU/Audrey Duksin licensing problem broke publicly:

1-12-2019
<Modern_Erasmus> new plan
<Modern_Erasmus> get alex jones to sue us
<Modern_Erasmus> solicit sympathy from normal people
<Modern_Erasmus> get gofundme for legal defense
<Modern_Erasmus> win the case
<Modern_Erasmus> use leftovers to fund PF
<Modern_Erasmus> ???
<Modern_Erasmus> Profit
<Roget> See there's no ??? there for me you've just found our funding plan

Keep in mind that these logs only capture when pixelatedharmony was present... because it isn't in here doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that there isn't proof of it out there somewhere.

We also don’t know what we don’t know about my logs, there’s a ton of unsorted material there and it is far to early to be washing your hands of it.
I think pixelatedharmony is right here.
 
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I guess this confirms that Caro was a control-hungry psycho, just about what I expected really.
Nah I'm thinking attention-hungry, but in a legitimate mental illness sort of way. Her pattern of behavior is wayyyy to erratic to be rational. I'm not even sure what her personality is supposed to be because every single DM of hers that gets posted here feels like a brand new person.
 
Nah I'm thinking attention-hungry, but in a legitimate mental illness sort of way. Her pattern of behavior is wayyyy to erratic to be rational. I'm not even sure what her personality is supposed to be because every single DM ofbhers that gets posted here feels like a brand new person.
Caro is indeed a very unstable individual. RPC used to have a power sharing agreement after an alleged incident where Caro attempted to commit suicide with Tylenol and had to be hospitalized for several days. I believe this is also why they stepped down.

She also gained power on RPC by supposedly sending nudes to the admins, although in hindsight there's a possibility they could've been faked.

Also FYI: I still have my suspicions Caro was a spy at all, or, if she was, she must've abandoned her original goal because she got too entrenched in RPC autism. A lot of current and former staff still considered her a friend up until recently when all of this got revealed.
 
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