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[Punished “Venom” pH]

I actually liked the level of quality that kept complete trash SCPs from becoming part of the canon, but that phase was pretty short, to tell the truth. Once it got taken over by SJWs, it was just a way of enforcing ideological conformity, not literary quality. There was a time, probably around 2010, when it was absurdly high quality by the standard of anything coming from 4chan.

And then, like everything, it got worse, got worse again, and continued getting worse until we're where we are now.

If you think 2010 was the peak of SCP Wiki quality... you might be an SCP poser you probably don’t even remember the Mass Edit.

 

[HIVidaBoheme]

They had to gatekeep to keep garbage articles off the site, but eventually the rating module became more than a device for quality control, and that was when most of the problems started. I'm not super familiar with RPC, but the star-rating system they have seems like a better way of filtering out bad articles.

It isn't, they still circlejerk each other for those sweet sweet 5 star votes. Failing that they resort to chimp out over whatever rating you gave them that wasn't a 5.

 

[AnOminous]

If you think 2010 was the peak of SCP Wiki quality... you might be an SCP poser you probably don’t even remember the Mass Edit.

I'm not a poser, I don't pretend to be an expert in anything coming after the serious decline that set in in 2012+. I just like how it started out, but hate where it ended up. And yes, I am more or less of the period where it originated from /x/ and lost interest very shortly after it veered off from that period. Think of me as that dipshit hipster who says "well I liked their first album but they sucked after they got popular."

 

[Furret]

It isn't, they still circlejerk each other for those sweet sweet 5 star votes. Failing that they resort to chimp out over whatever rating you gave them that wasn't a 5.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Lil' Misogynist]

I think the most obvious issue with the upvote-downvote rating system is that it’s more of a measure of popularity than quality, but this has been said many times before. A page becomes eligible for deletion at a net -10 votes, but can have an infinite number of upvotes. It’s not obvious when people are voting positively on an article because they think it’s actually well-written as opposed to when it’s popular or because they like the author or because it got shilled so many times that they finally gave in and read it.

RPC’s 5-star rating system dodges this specific problem but it’s far more vulnerable to raiding and still opens up the potential to create an overly competitive culture. Ideally ratings would not exist but there’s no other clear democratic way to remove subjectively bad writing.

 

[Cow-Chan]

I would actually argue that the quality of the writing peaked significantly later than that, probably in Series 3 or 4, but that's subjective and I can only think that because I don't mind narratives in articles.

This is relatively true. Like I said earlier, the whole "Old good, new bad" thing a lot of people on this thread seem to throw around is pretty much bullshit cope-and-seething. There's definitely Kaktus-level bullshit and plenty of competitive popularity jerkoffs in the new stuff, but there's also plenty of decent stuff as well mixed in, just like in Series 1.

 

[Furret]

I think the most obvious issue with the upvote-downvote rating system is that it’s more of a measure of popularity than quality, but this has been said many times before. An article becomes eligible for deletion at a net -10 votes, but can have an infinite number of upvotes. It’s not obvious when people are voting positively on an article because they think it’s actually well-written as opposed to when it’s popular or because they like the author or because it got shilled so many times that they finally gave in and read it.

RPC’s 5-star rating system dodges this problem but it’s far more vulnerable to raiding and still opens up the potential to create an overly competitive culture.

Problem is, how do you implement non-subjective quality control without also creating this problem? It doesn't seem feasible, at least not with the tools Wikidot provides. This is why I maintain that the introduction of upvote trackers was more of a mistake than the module itself.

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

aismallard and I discussing how cool it is that the Yurt clique gets to use MAST as a vehicle to reshape the Wiki in our own image.

 

[AnOminous]

This is relatively true. Like I said earlier, the whole "Old good, new bad" thing a lot of people on this thread seem to throw around is pretty much bullshit cope-and-seething. There's definitely Kaktus-level bullshit and plenty of competitive popularity jerkoffs in the new stuff, but there's also plenty of decent stuff as well mixed in, just like in Series 1.

Yeah let's just replace the hateful star with the queer hugbox tumblr satellite.

 

[Furret]

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aismallard and I discussing how cool it is that the Yurt clique gets to use MAST as a vehicle to reshape the Wiki in our own image.

but yeah MAST is basically our way to incrementally improve the site

Didn't think it would be Aismallard who just straight-up says it, but here we are.

 

[Cow-Chan]

Yeah let's just replace the hateful star with the queer hugbox tumblr satellite.

Never read either of them.

 

[Furret]

Never read either of them.

The Tumblr satellite is overhated IMO. It's not great, and references to Homestuck feel out-of-place in an SCP article to me, but it's not the worst thing ever. There's definitely been worse.

 

[AnOminous]

The Tumblr satellite is overhated IMO. It's not great, and references to Homestuck feel out-of-place in an SCP article to me, but it's not the worst thing ever. There's definitely been worse.

I disagree. It's absolute shit. You're right that there's worse, but that's basically comparing pieces of shit to other pieces of shit.

 

[Banditotron]

I'm uninformed on the @pixelatedharmony question. Is he being a nuisance or a benefit to the thread?

He is a benefit to this thread but absolutely and completely incapable of not attention whoring in every thread he can.

The Tumblr satellite is overhated IMO. It's not great, and references to Homestuck feel out-of-place in an SCP article to me, but it's not the worst thing ever. There's definitely been worse.

I find it hard to believe that there could be worse. Otherkin genderqueer satellite homestuck fan who makes webcomics is one of the worst ideas I've heard in my entire life, and the actual written entry is simply proof of concept.

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

How Black Highlighter got its name:

 

[Furret]

I disagree. It's absolute shit. You're right that there's worse, but that's basically comparing pieces of shit to other pieces of shit.

At the very least, I enjoy the idea that a bunch of Foundation agents have to pretend to want to be Tumblr friends with the thing because they're afraid that it'll blow up the world if they don't have people talking to it.

 

[Cow-Chan]

I find it hard to believe that there could be worse. Otherkin genderqueer satellite homestuck fan who makes webcomics is one of the worst ideas I've heard in my entire life, and the actual written entry is simply proof of concept.

I want you to say this sentence out loud and tell me for a fact you didn't follow that up with "Yeah, I'd probably lock that up in a secret government facility too."

 

[BurnerPhone]

This is relatively true. Like I said earlier, the whole "Old good, new bad" thing a lot of people on this thread seem to throw around is pretty much bullshit cope-and-seething. There's definitely Kaktus-level bullshit and plenty of competitive popularity jerkoffs in the new stuff, but there's also plenty of decent stuff as well mixed in, just like in Series 1.

No accounting for taste, I see. Maybe I think the later series suck because I like the simple format SCP provided in series I and II. Now, every desperate reddit author with a liberal arts degree has to prove just how subversive and smart they are by shoehorning a messy plot into a format that was literally designed to be as clinical possible.

No this doesn't mean I don't want authors to be creative and surprise me, I'm just saying these particular authors at SCP absolutely suck at writing

 

[AnOminous]

I would actually argue that the quality of the writing peaked significantly later than that, probably in Series 3 or 4, but that's subjective and I can only think that because I don't mind narratives in articles.

That's actually my main gripe. I think the core of SCP style was that what actually happened was at best enigmatic and the actual text was from some impersonal bureaucracy. The introduction of narrative and personality more or less ruined this. I will list Bright as one of the worst offenders, in terms of inserting Mary Sue characters and narrative.

The rot was already there from the beginning. I'm not claiming it started perfect and then turned into retardation.

 

[Cow-Chan]

No accounting for taste, I see. Maybe I think the later series suck because I like the simple format SCP provided in series I and II. Now, every desperate reddit author with a liberal arts degree has to prove just how subversive and smart they are by shoehorning a messy plot into a format that was literally designed to be as clinical possible.

No this doesn't mean I don't want authors to be creative and surprise me, I'm just saying these particular authors at SCP absolutely suck at writing

Obviously everyone has different tastes. But it's pretty objective that new and old both have their shining gold medals and their polished turds. Plus, old articles weren't all simple either. The Red Sea Object was a very complex article and is still one of the best.

Edit: I realize that now that I've mentioned liking something on their site, they're probably going to scramble to rewrite it into a steamy pile of peepee gunk just out of spite for KiwiFarms.