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[Cow-Chan]

As someone who’s never been on RPC (but has listened to some narrations on YouTube), the surface-level thing that bugs me is that it tries to be an SCP ripoff (or I guess a ripoff of SCP from 10 years ago) with all the same terms and concepts, just with different names. In that way, it’ll always seem directly derivative of SCP (which I guess it is).

IMO, it would do well to differentiate itself a bit without following the SCP template so closely, because then it can stand on its own instead of just being “SCP but with less shit”.

RPC really isn't "SCP Except Not", for the simple reason that SCP's format is not their own. It's an extremely simple template, and frankly RPC has improved upon it with their own formats and language. RPC articles also resembles a much better time in SCP history where unwanted narrative wasn't being forced down every aspiring writer's throat. In my own personal experience so far, RPC is a far friendlier, far more creative, and far more diverse bunch than SCP has been in a very very long time. At least I know the people in RPC are going to tell me when they don't like me, instead of telling me I'm "good and valid" with a shark-tooth grin like SCP does.

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

As someone who’s never been on RPC (but has listened to some narrations on YouTube), the surface-level thing that bugs me is that it tries to be an SCP ripoff (or I guess a ripoff of SCP from 10 years ago) with all the same terms and concepts, just with different names. In that way, it’ll always seem directly derivative of SCP (which I guess it is).

IMO, it would do well to differentiate itself a bit without following the SCP template so closely, because then it can stand on its own instead of just being “SCP but with less shit”.

I disagree, I think that it proves containment fiction is bigger than the SCP Foundation

 

[AnOminous]

Anyone have any funny examples of the mods and popular writers acting like assholes to new writers? I Kinda need a recap because its been forever since I kept up with this stuff but I remember hearing that the mods were super unhelpful when you tried to post and article but they themselves would coldpost articles while banning new users who did the same.

I'm torn on this subject to some degree. Any writing project or group like this almost needs some form of hazing to drive out people who are shitty writers or just not good for the project in general. The problem is when the bad writers are the ones driving people out.

 

[BurnerPhone]

RPC really isn't "SCP Except Not", for the simple reason that SCP's format is not their own. It's an extremely simple template, and frankly RPC has improved upon it with their own formats and language. RPC articles also resembles a much better time in SCP history where unwanted narrative wasn't being forced down every aspiring writer's throat. In my own personal experience so far, RPC is a far friendlier, far more creative, and far more diverse bunch than SCP has been in a very very long time. At least I know the people in RPC are going to tell me when they don't like me, instead of telling me I'm "good and valid" with a shark-tooth grin like SCP does.

As an iteration, it's fine, but it's still just living on borrowed time until Wikidot finally shuts down. Not to mention RPC is still just as vulnerable to sex perverts as SCP. There are so many variables that go into a project like this that someone is bound to be hurt

 

[Punished “Venom” pH]

As an iteration, it's fine, but it's still just living on borrowed time until Wikidot finally shuts down. Not to mention RPC is still just as vulnerable to sex perverts as SCP. There are so many variables that go into a project like this that someone is bound to be hurt

Hierarchy

 

[Cow-Chan]

As an iteration, it's fine, but it's still just living on borrowed time until Wikidot finally shuts down. Not to mention RPC is still just as vulnerable to sex perverts as SCP. There are so many variables that go into a project like this that someone is bound to be hurt

Of course, I don't think RPC expects to stay forever to be honest. Just a "Have fun while it lasts" setup. And that's true, they are vulnerable, but unlike SCP, RPC people are more than happy to publicly expose predators in front of everyone.

 

[ToS]

As someone who’s never been on RPC (but has listened to some narrations on YouTube), the surface-level thing that bugs me is that it tries to be an SCP ripoff (or I guess a ripoff of SCP from 10 years ago) with all the same terms and concepts, just with different names. In that way, it’ll always seem directly derivative of SCP (which I guess it is).

IMO, it would do well to differentiate itself a bit without following the SCP template so closely, because then it can stand on its own instead of just being “SCP but with less shit”.

It absolutely is. Tries to hug as close to SCP as possible while avoiding its blemishes.

IMO, the main difference that is emerging is the lore. It is a heck of a thing to navigate and write with/around. The lore re-justifies some of the more immersive qualities to the fiction that made the original SCP works so unique. For example, the whole research side allows for research-like publications that are almost convincing and could be in some (maybe boring) academic journals. While this won’t bring a lot of eyes, it adds nicely to the feel of authenticity. That is directly counter to SCP which feels like a game of one-ups-man/womyn/they/zhir-ship.

It also doesn’t let things like elitism prevent it from working with building blocks SCP considers themselves above.

I'm torn on this subject to some degree. Any writing project or group like this almost needs some form of hazing to drive out people who are shitty writers or just not good for the project in general. The problem is when the bad writers are the ones driving people out.

As I understand it, the solution at RPC is a pretty low threshold for acceptance (while rejecting outright incompetence), and a true wiki-style refinement process to make them better, like with rewrites. Whereas SCP front-loads their standards with greenlights, RPC back-loads them, allowing the community to act as a sort of proof-reading mechanism, while preserving author sovereignty. The second way is less initially restrictive for creativity, and lets potential in ideas breathe and grow, instead of being simply shot down in their developmental infancy.

So you’re saying it’s kind of like an NHL/WHA situation?

RPC has a much better layout because it’s easy to try and use the SCP Wiki as a non-power user and realize how garbage it is and how easy it would be for the ss to fix but you know they’ll still never do it.

Harmony no one cares about hockey but you.

But I guess so.

 

[ChainLinkFence]

The doctor doctor doctor page is now removed. Congratulations Butter.
--oh looks like I'm late, whoops--

 

[shnoopsis]

The doctor doctor doctor page is now removed. Congratulations Butter.

Thanks a bunch.

 

[Rorschach Test]

Uhhh. So without doxing my account over there, I’m a semi-active contributor to the SCP wiki. Like, author page and all that. I was content to just soak in the secondhand drama; the staff’s “fuck you” to harmony with the deletion request has been way too jarring to tolerate. I’m glad that DDD got deleted - it shows that they’re at least sensitive to optics when someone embarrassed them or threatens the appearance of the wiki being a safe place. If we get rid of enough things that threaten the image, it might mean getting rid of some of the more pressing, contemporary threats. Yay!

My open question to all: What more can be done by the active userbase to help fix the culture of the site?

And for the fellow SCP members reading this thread: don’t worry, i’m no more a nazi than you are. im not an infiltrator working for KF - if anything it‘s sort of the reverse - and i’m not trying to sabotage anyone or anything. I’m extremely leftist. I’m also extremely unhappy with site staff continually breaking trust and running the wiki into the ground.

Lastly, for the SCP site staff reading the thread: come the fuck on, people.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Uhhh. So without doxing my account over there, I’m a semi-active contributor to the SCP wiki. Like, author page and all that. I was content to just soak in the secondhand drama; the staff’s “fuck you” to harmony with the deletion request has been way too jarring to tolerate. I’m glad that DDD got deleted - it shows that they’re at least sensitive to optics when someone embarrassed them or threatens the appearance of the wiki being a safe place. If we get rid of enough things that threaten the image, it might mean getting rid of some of the more pressing, contemporary threats. Yay!

My open question to all: What more can be done by the active userbase to help fix the culture of the site?

And for the fellow SCP members reading this thread: don’t worry, i’m no more a nazi than you are. im not an infiltrator working for KF - if anything it‘s sort of the reverse - and i’m not trying to sabotage anyone or anything. I’m extremely leftist. I’m also extremely unhappy with site staff continually breaking trust and running the wiki into the ground.

Lastly, for the SCP site staff reading the thread: come the fuck on, people.

Easy answer? Call the staff out on their shit and threaten to leave.

 

[Cow-Chan]

My open question to all: What more can be done by the active userbase to help fix the culture of the site?

The biggest thing, I think, is to stop tolerating staff. Call them out when they obviously act up, call them out for their obvious fake bureaucracy when they're trying to think of a way to burn people, make it clear that the community isn't going to tolerate their shady behavior any more. Staff are only powerful because they believe they have control of the community's environment, but realistically, SCP only exists with the community, and you have all of the power in the end. What would they be in charge of if they banned everyone? Changing the environment to one that holds staff accountable as a community is apex here.

 

[AnOminous]

And for the fellow SCP members reading this thread: don’t worry, i’m no more a nazi than you are.

You won't defeat cult-think by just pointing out obvious facts, unfortunately. The thought-stopping mechanism of just saying "they're all literal Nazis" is not defeated that easily. Once you have a batch of idiots who buy into a concept that stupid, they tend to stick to it. It's a Keter-class memetic hazard.

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

I won't do this again, but just to put the knives down for a second, I recently read this one and I think it is a great example of how really talented writers still exist at scp, and that you can be very detached from a flamboyantly in-your-face narrative that relies on super-saccharine, emotional prose to achieve an effective impact. The clinical tone does the work here, and this is some of the finest I've ever read.

All shitposting aside I don't think anyone here is under the impression that SCP is entirely wrung dry of talent. The problem is it's so massively hampered by the amount of bullshit these days that even Ted Sturgeon would be surprised at how much you have to sift through. Not to mention the behavior of staff and rockstar-writers like Kaktus is gatekeeping against possibly good writing by dictating what they think an SCP article is supposed to be.

 

[AnOminous]

All shitposting aside I don't think anyone here is under the impression that SCP is entirely wrung dry of talent. The problem is it's so massively hampered by the amount of bullshit these days that even Ted Sturgeon would be surprised at how much you have to sift through. Not to mention the behavior of staff and rockstar-writers like Kaktus is gatekeeping against possibly good writing by dictating what they think an SCP article is supposed to be.

I can't even believe it's up to 5xxx series. Christ. I sound like a complete hipster faggot saying "well their first album was good but once they got popular they sucked" but seriously, this is exactly what happened. Any talent dumped into this shit project is now wasted. If I had to pick something specific to blame (rather than blaming specific people), I'd say it's the focus on narrative over the original procedural content that was the basis of the /x/ content that was always the core.

 

[shnoopsis]

It's a Keter-class memetic hazard.

I got that reference.

 

[Bryce Tankthrust]

I can't even believe it's up to 5xxx series. Christ. I sound like a complete hipster faggot saying "well their first album was good but once they got popular they sucked" but seriously, this is exactly what happened. Any talent dumped into this shit project is now wasted. If I had to pick something specific to blame (rather than blaming specific people), I'd say it's the focus on narrative over the original procedural content that was the basis of the /x/ content that was always the core.

I completely forgot about SCP for a while and when I revisited they were at 4 and 5 to which I thought "there cannot be anything good in these sets". There's only so much you can do with an idea like SCP and it was already showing by series 3 imo.

Speaking of which, has anyone pointed out the titles for the recent series? Many of them are too... verbose? Like, they're trying too hard to stand out.

 

[Furret]

Uhhh. So without doxing my account over there, I’m a semi-active contributor to the SCP wiki. Like, author page and all that. I was content to just soak in the secondhand drama; the staff’s “fuck you” to harmony with the deletion request has been way too jarring to tolerate. I’m glad that DDD got deleted - it shows that they’re at least sensitive to optics when someone embarrassed them or threatens the appearance of the wiki being a safe place. If we get rid of enough things that threaten the image, it might mean getting rid of some of the more pressing, contemporary threats. Yay!

My open question to all: What more can be done by the active userbase to help fix the culture of the site?

And for the fellow SCP members reading this thread: don’t worry, i’m no more a nazi than you are. im not an infiltrator working for KF - if anything it‘s sort of the reverse - and i’m not trying to sabotage anyone or anything. I’m extremely leftist. I’m also extremely unhappy with site staff continually breaking trust and running the wiki into the ground.

Lastly, for the SCP site staff reading the thread: come the fuck on, people.

When staff do something fucked up, complain. Get loud. If you make a big enough fuss, people will take notice, and some will side with you. If it gets big enough, staff will listen to you. As @bettermybutter has demonstrated, staff completely fold when you apply pressure to them. They're used to having control of the narrative outside of fringe discussions like this thread and a few Tumblr communities, and they panic when it looks like that control is slipping. Take advantage of that.

Also, don't be afraid to call out would-be hotshot authors like Kaktus when they do shitty things. If they treat you like shit or try to get you banned for it, make noise about that. If enough people draw widespread attention to shitty behavior, the culture will eventually shift, even if only by a little. I'm not optimistic that major change will happen any time soon, but I reckon it's worth a shot.

Speaking of which, has anyone pointed out the titles for the recent series? Many of them are too... verbose? Like, they're trying too hard to stand out.

The ALL CAPS TITLES FOR NO REASON got old really fast.

 

[Valstrax]

When staff do something fucked up, complain. Get loud. If you make a big enough fuss, people will take notice, and some will side with you. If it gets big enough, staff will listen to you. As @bettermybutter has demonstrated, staff completely fold when you apply pressure to them. They're used to having control of the narrative outside of fringe discussions like this thread and a few Tumblr communities, and they panic when it looks like that control is slipping. Take advantage of that.

Also, don't be afraid to call out would-be hotshot authors like Kaktus when they do shitty things. If they treat you like shit or try to get you banned for it, make noise about that. If enough people draw widespread attention to shitty behavior, the culture will eventually shift, even if only by a little. I'm not optimistic that major change will happen any time soon, but I reckon it's worth a shot.

The ALL CAPS TITLES FOR NO REASON got old really fast.

SCP-80085-J: THE TITLE IS IN ALL CAPS SO YOU CAN TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY I SWEAR

 

[Cow-Chan]

Also, don't be afraid to call out would-be hotshot authors like Kaktus when they do shitty things. If they treat you like shit or try to get you banned for it, make noise about that.

While Kaktus acts tough when called out indirectly, such as making Twitter posts when he's called out out here, I can tell you from personal experience that he's a complete pussy when approached directly. He's prone to leaving chats when confronted or challenged in the slightest, his ego is extremely fragile when he's in the spotlight.