SCP Foundation - Creepypasta with roid rage - now ITT: SCP fans

I'd actually put it way earlier. Back when the old guard decided that you had to jump through a million and a half loop-de-loops to write for the site instead of doing some basic per-submission quality control like any sane publication. It created this weird culture of pseudo-intellectualism and elitism that inflated the egos of guys like kaktus. Fishmonger was a really early example, but he was such a blatant and unrepentant asshole that they eventually kicked him out anyway. It wasn't until Containment Breach started getting played by all the Markipliers and Pewdiepies on youtube and twitch that the tumblr crowd really swooped in. Armchair-Activist shit is one problem with SCP, sure, but I'd say the bigger issue is the way their elitist culture built this big inner clique of untouchables that were allowed to do whatever-the-fuck they wanted. And god forbid you tell the emperors they have no clothes.
They kept the pseudointellectualism, elitism, and absolute jackassery and didn't even keep the good writing that came with it. It used to be the price to pay for the quality the site was known for.

Now you have a bunch of bums running the country club and still acting like they're the ones who put the golf course and olympic pool in.
 
I'd actually put it way earlier. Back when the old guard decided that you had to jump through a million and a half loop-de-loops to write for the site instead of doing some basic per-submission quality control like any sane publication. It created this weird culture of pseudo-intellectualism and elitism that inflated the egos of guys like kaktus. Fishmonger was a really early example, but he was such a blatant and unrepentant asshole that they eventually kicked him out anyway. It wasn't until Containment Breach started getting played by all the Markipliers and Pewdiepies on youtube and twitch that the tumblr crowd really swooped in. Armchair-Activist shit is one problem with SCP, sure, but I'd say the bigger issue is the way their elitist culture built this big inner clique of untouchables that were allowed to do whatever-the-fuck they wanted. And god forbid you tell the emperors they have no clothes.
I'd actually say it began with the creation of the first tools that measured the total upvotes of authors. I think the first one was a chat bot called Nala or something like that, and then in 2014 or thereabouts scpper.com was created with a leaderboard for the most upvoted and prolific people on the site. There's also Crom, a Discord bot that does the same thing. When authors became able to easily keep track of their upvotes and compare their totals with each other, having a lot of meaningless Internet points on your writing became a status symbol to a lot of people. This is where the elitism and endless thirst for upvotes that plague the wiki today began, and it's also how people like Kaktus got such inflated egos over being popular on the wiki. The rating module is a necessary evil if the wiki doesn't want to leave quality control up to the subjective tastes of whoever is in charge, but taking those first steps towards viewing upvote counts as high scores was the worst thing they ever did. That mentality is the source of most of the biggest problems with the wiki's culture today.
 
I'd actually say it began with the creation of the first tools that measured the total upvotes of authors. I think the first one was a chat bot called Nala or something like that, and then in 2014 or thereabouts scpper.com was created with a leaderboard for the most upvoted and prolific people on the site. There's also Crom, a Discord bot that does the same thing. When authors became able to easily keep track of their upvotes and compare their totals with each other, having a lot of meaningless Internet points on your writing became a status symbol to a lot of people. This is where the elitism and endless thirst for upvotes that plague the wiki today began, and it's also how people like Kaktus got such inflated egos over being popular on the wiki. The rating module is a necessary evil if the wiki doesn't want to leave quality control up to the subjective tastes of whoever is in charge, but taking those first steps towards viewing upvote counts as high scores was the worst thing they ever did. That mentality is the source of most of the biggest problems with the wiki's culture today.
I can see that, though I do think that if the ego-fluffing behavior stopped at just creating a rating system the problems on the site wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are today.
That’s true. The activism is just the sediment of this that’s floated to the top and settled as the crust. The whole thing is an abscess. But they can’t have the pus pocket popping, so you get an Internet Outreach (surveillance) patrol to safe guard their image where they can’t directly control it (through censorship). And they decide to put the social media buttons where they are in their order of importance; right at the top.
It tells you their priority is with popularity. You can sure as hell bet that if nationalism were the big "in thing" on the net in the '10s instead of PC culture, SCP would be drowning in thinly veiled anti-immigration articles.
 
They kept the pseudointellectualism, elitism, and absolute jackassery and didn't even keep the good writing that came with it. It used to be the price to pay for the quality the site was known for.

Now you have a bunch of bums running the country club and still acting like they're the ones who put the golf course and olympic pool in.

Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong or if anything I say has already been said.

Firstly, that general assholishness shouldn’t be a price for anything. It’s pretty clear to me that attitude is what snowballed into the current nightmare. Compare it with any number of other communities. Toxic behavior breeds toxic communities. That’s why rules of etiquette are so important.

Secondly, even back in the so-called good ol’ days you had critics accusing popular SCPs of bad writing. I vaguely remember reading scathing critiques of 682 the indescribable murderous lizard because its concept is a generic monster and the writing doesn’t actually do anything to make it anything more than that. Since then several of the popular SCPs were deleted or rewritten because of changing community attitudes, like those biblical ones.

There are numerous other small oddities I could point out remembering, like the obsession with weirdness for the sake of weirdness and not even in an entertaining way, a whole lot of SCPs being indestructible without this being remotely relevant to their concept, the shared in-universe technobabble being arbitrary and inconsistent, the Foundation being impossibly powerful as an organization, the sheer number of barely-averted apocalypses rendering the concept of apocalypses comical, or any number of other things but YMMV. One could probably chalk all that up to the site originating as an experiment on /x/.

I don’t think the format really offers any benefits. Writing an article requires subjecting your writing to very specific restrictions that may not be remotely fitting, then letting the fickle community decide whether it gets deleted or not, trying again possibly multiple times if you fail, and if it does get kept long-term then it’s consigned to a limbo where creative commons applies yet the site still profits off your work and you never get a penny of that ad revenue. That’s a perfect recipe for burnout if there ever was one. And this whole experiment has already shown that the process inevitably degenerates into pissing contests because likes are literally addictive.

I can’t muster the creative energy to write even original fiction involving secret organizations studying dangerous objects, organisms, and phenomena. The SCP drama has utterly destroyed any wonder I had regarding the concept.
 
There are numerous other small oddities I could point out remembering, like the obsession with weirdness for the sake of weirdness and not even in an entertaining way, a whole lot of SCPs being indestructible without this being remotely relevant to their concept, the shared in-universe technobabble being arbitrary and inconsistent, the Foundation being impossibly powerful as an organization, the sheer number of barely-averted apocalypses rendering the concept of apocalypses comical, or any number of other things but YMMV. One could probably chalk all that up to the site originating as an experiment on /x/.
A lot of this is due to there not being a definitive SCP canon. They decided early on that trying to make every article fit within a central canon would be too big of a pain, so they let authors interpret the universe however they want. Personally, I have no problems with this, and I imagine a central canon would be a nightmare to enforce now with the sheer amount of articles being published daily, but it can create some confusion for new readers who don't realize that two articles aren't necessarily taking place in the same universe.
 
Personally, I have no problems with this, and I imagine a central canon would be a nightmare to enforce now with the sheer amount of articles being published daily, but it can create some confusion for new readers who don't realize that two articles aren't necessarily taking place in the same universe.
It's easy enough to handwave as the SCPs themselves and things the Foundation has done creating multiple alternate timelines in which the Foundation exists, so nothing has to be consistent. I always thought there should be some tonal consistency though.

I also like whining about SCP-682. That's exactly the kind of thing that made the whole thing good where or not it's Shakespearean in tone or some bullshit. Same with 173. And 106.

I don't really mind the indestructibility of 682 because if you could destroy that thing why wouldn't you? So there needs to be a reason for it even still to exist. The general knockoff Lovecraft tone is the world is continually threatened by absolutely horrible things that we can't do anything about and it could be lights out any time.
 
A lot of this is due to there not being a definitive SCP canon. They decided early on that trying to make every article fit within a central canon would be too big of a pain, so they let authors interpret the universe however they want. Personally, I have no problems with this, and I imagine a central canon would be a nightmare to enforce now with the sheer amount of articles being published daily, but it can create some confusion for new readers who don't realize that two articles aren't necessarily taking place in the same universe.
That might have worked for Lovecraft and the Inklings and other writing circles throughout history (at least until fanficcers tried to force a meta-narrative), but it doesn’t work for a collaborative wiki that explicitly advertises itself as a shared universe. That defeats the whole point of using wiki software.

E.g. tons of SCPs derive their horror from simply being impossible for the foundation to adequately contain, but this horror vanishes when you realize the foundation has tons of ways to do so. Send them into deep space, another planet, another universe, an extra-dimensional labyrinth, etc. This works for every SCP that doesn’t ignore three-dimensional barriers.

Do they still have a fixed list of object classes or is that phased out now? I remember thinking designations like Euclid (the mathematician) and Keter (the final sephira) were arbitrary and don’t sound like what I expect an actual organization would use.

It's easy enough to handwave as the SCPs themselves and things the Foundation has done creating multiple alternate timelines in which the Foundation exists, so nothing has to be consistent. I always thought there should be some tonal consistency though.

I also like whining about SCP-682. That's exactly the kind of thing that made the whole thing good where or not it's Shakespearean in tone or some bullshit. Same with 173. And 106.

I don't really mind the indestructibility of 682 because if you could destroy that thing why wouldn't you? So there needs to be a reason for it even still to exist. The general knockoff Lovecraft tone is the world is continually threatened by absolutely horrible things that we can't do anything about and it could be lights out any time.
It’s a creative writing site. The Writing should exist to be creative, not to fill a quota. A Syfy movie monster that only merits any mention because you haven’t figured out a way to kill it? (Which doesn’t even make sense in-universe because of the multitude of creative containment methods I alluded to above.) Why does that deserve an article? Why is that even popular? At least something like the infinite lightless staircase isn’t a known existential threat but is still able to be scary by playing on the audience’s imagination.

I don’t think the knockoff Lovecraftian tone is anything to celebrate either. Few people actually understand cosmic horror enough to write it well. The typical wiki contributors certainly don’t. King in Yellow ripoffs with simplistic motives like “drive viewers into a killing frenzy” or “destroy the universe” turns the genre into even more of a joke than it already is. At least pick a motivation that is actually interesting like “invite more people to my court because a king must have subjects” or “rewrite history event by event to create my ideal history.”

EDIT: As always, YMMV.
 
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Do they still have a fixed list of object classes or is that phased out now? I remember thinking designations like Euclid (the mathematician) and Keter (the final sephira) were arbitrary and don’t sound like what I expect an actual organization would use.
They have six main ones:
-Safe
-Euclid
-Keter
-Thaumiel
-Explained
-Neutralized
They let authors use other object classes if they want, but some people are opposed to anything outside of this list. There's also those headers with extremely specific classifications that people like Kaktus use. Staff won't make those official, but they allow them to exist and will ban people who admit to downvoting articles for having them.
 
They have six main ones:
-Safe
-Euclid
-Keter
-Thaumiel
-Explained
-Neutralized
They let authors use other object classes if they want, but some people are opposed to anything outside of this list. There's also those headers with extremely specific classifications that people like Kaktus use. Staff won't make those official, but they allow them to exist and will ban people who admit to downvoting articles for having them.
Yeah, the naming conventions seem so arbitrary to me. This is definitely an area where I think RPC improved upon by using Greek letters. As always, YMMV.
 
A Syfy movie monster that only merits any mention because you haven’t figured out a way to kill it? (Which doesn’t even make sense in-universe because of the multitude of creative containment methods I alluded to above.) Why does that deserve an article?
Because it was a really good example of its form. You can raise writing quality criticisms of anything, including Lovecraft's own prose, which was susceptible to excessive adjectivitis and his habit of sometimes just refusing to describe something at all. Sometimes this worked but sometimes he just threw a bunch of adjectives at something and it came across as retarded.

But 682 was a perfect example of its form. The problem wasn't 682, it was the inevitable knockoffs and everyone wanting their own SCP to be some indestructible Keter world ender.

Also 682 was almost entirely composed of what the genre is about, attempts to contain the thing and containment procedures, as well as descriptions of attempts to destroy it and the failure to do so.
 
Yeah, the naming conventions seem so arbitrary to me. This is definitely an area where I think RPC improved upon by using Greek letters. As always, YMMV.
They're kinda stuck with Euclid because it was used in the original SCP-173, and Keter was made up in one of the early /x/ threads, so I can excuse those two. I think Thaumiel was also conceived in those early threads, but was ditched in favor of the original three until it was made popular again by SCP-2000. Some of the new original ones seem pretty arbitrary and weird though.
Because it was a really good example of its form. You can raise writing quality criticisms of anything, including Lovecraft's own prose, which was susceptible to excessive adjectivitis and his habit of sometimes just refusing to describe something at all. Sometimes this worked but sometimes he just threw a bunch of adjectives at something and it came across as retarded.

But 682 was a perfect example of its form. The problem wasn't 682, it was the inevitable knockoffs and everyone wanting their own SCP to be some indestructible Keter world ender.

Also 682 was almost entirely composed of what the genre is about, attempts to contain the thing and containment procedures, as well as descriptions of attempts to destroy it and the failure to do so.
682 is interesting because it got people thinking about ways of killing it and how it would survive extreme conditions. The log of termination attempts attached to the main article is massive, and I've seen countless new readers talk about the ideas they have for things to throw at it. Plus, it's a Gears article, and literally everything he wrote got popular in 2008-09.

The second we reveal pixieharmony is Roget on this thread, she releases some half-assed gender reveal note.
It's a bit late for Roget to be regretting her constant upvote-whoring. The wiki's authors are far too deep into the numbers game to start caring about helping their peers improve now. They'll do it if it makes them look good, but the rating module is still going to come first for the foreseeable future.

Edit: Checked the votes on the essay Roget just published, and it was downvoted by Kaktus and Rounderhouse. I cannot imagine why.
 
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It's a bit late for Roget to be regretting her constant upvote-whoring. The wiki's authors are far too deep into the numbers game to start caring about helping their peers improve now. They'll do it if it makes them look good, but the rating module is still going to come first for the foreseeable future.

Edit: Checked the votes on the essay Roget just published, and it was downvoted by Kaktus and Rounderhouse. I cannot imagine why.
Roget only started crying about being an upvote whore because she saw this thread. This goes hand-in-hand with Magnus retiring too, I feel. They're both buddy-buddy Inner Circle mates, why the fuck wouldn't they be spying on us? Especially Roget, whatever relevance she was able to sap out of the wiki before is being questioned by us and the people on Tumblr. Not saying she decided to transition deliberately, but her little essay is only her crying crocodile tears about needing to be better, while Kaktus and Rounder quietly tell her to shut up for their own sakes. It's quite beautiful, really.
 
Roget only started crying about being an upvote whore because she saw this thread. This goes hand-in-hand with Magnus retiring too, I feel. They're both buddy-buddy Inner Circle mates, why the fuck wouldn't they be spying on us? Especially Roget, whatever relevance she was able to sap out of the wiki before is being questioned by us and the people on Tumblr. Not saying she decided to transition deliberately, but her little essay is only her crying crocodile tears about needing to be better, while Kaktus and Rounder quietly tell her to shut up for their own sakes. It's quite beautiful, really.
If I was being scrutinized by this thread and I wanted things to change I probably wouldn't get on an alt and start fighting people, but I guess that's just me. I can see why she might be inclined to blame herself for the problems with the wiki today if she was an early upvote whore since obsession with the rating module is infectious, but all the sad essays in the world won't undo the damage done to the wiki's culture, and at this point I don't think anything ever will. The wiki sold its collective soul to a small counter years ago, and getting it back is going to take a lot more than one irrelevant former Admin crying about how much worse everything is now.
 
Oh he's that guy. I remember listening to the Ouroboros cycle and at first it seemed interesting but it later devolved into some shit tier action movie script.
IMO, Ouroboros Cycle was just a 3-hour crossover of all the SCP Greatest Hits leavened with artsy-fartsy pseudointellectualism. Nothing about a cycle repeating itself.
 
IMO, Ouroboros Cycle was just a 3-hour crossover of all the SCP Greatest Hits leavened with artsy-fartsy pseudointellectualism. Nothing about a cycle repeating itself.
There's some stuff about a cycle in there, but you have to sit through a needlessly-long action movie script before anything cycle-related happens. I don't understand why Kaktus felt the need to write a novella about this shit, it could've easily been condensed into the length of an average Kaktus article and nobody would have complained. He would've gotten just as many upvotes too, which is his real priority.
 
PixelatedHarmony (Roget) is leaving once again. This is the post she left.

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Now, I'm just wondering how long until she comes back crying.
 
PixelatedHarmony (Roget) is leaving once again. This is the post she left.

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Now, I'm just wondering how long until she comes back crying.
"I've finally finished my masterpiece and I'm ready to go. I love you all. But also delete everything I've ever written and have sole rights to and remove any trace of my former identity from the site please and thank you."
 
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