Opinion Seattle Public Schools Want to Teach Social Justice in Math Class. That Hurts Minorities.

Seattle Public Schools Want to Teach Social Justice in Math Class. That Hurts Minorities.


Seattle’s public-school district has proposed a new math curriculum that would teach its students all about how math has been “appropriated” — and how it “continues to be used to oppress and marginalize people and communities.”

A draft of the curriculum, which was covered in an article in Education Week, would teach students how to “explain how math and technology and/or science are connected and how technology and/or science have (sic) been and continues to be used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color,” as well as to “identify and teach others about mathematicians* of color in their various communities: schools, neighborhoods, places of worship, businesses, etc.”

Education Week reports:

If adopted, its ideas will be included in existing math classes as part of the district’s broader effort to infuse ethnic studies into all subjects across the K-12 spectrum. Tracy Castro-Gill, Seattle’s ethnic studies director, said her team hopes to have frameworks completed in all subjects by June for board approval.
If the frameworks are approved, teachers would be expected to incorporate those ideas and questions into the math they teach beginning next fall, Castro-Gill said. No districtwide—or mandated—math/ethnic studies curriculum is planned, but groups of teachers are working with representatives of local community organizations to write instructional units for teachers to use if they wish, she said.
As strange as it may sound, this proposed curriculum is not the first time that someone has argued for teaching math in this way. In fact, in 2017, an online course developed by Teach for America — titled “Teaching Social Justice Through Secondary Mathematics” — instructed how to teach their students how “math has been used as a dehumanizing tool.” Also in 2017, a University of Illinois math-education professor detailed what she saw as some of the more racist aspects of math, claiming that “mathematics itself operates as Whiteness.”

I wrote columns about both of these stories that year — and, at the time, most people likely saw them simply as examples of “fringe” beliefs, confined to only super-progressive, ultra-woke circles. With the announcement of this Seattle proposal, however, we can no longer reassure ourselves that this is the case. Now, the social-justice approach to teaching math has officially entered the mainstream (and taxpayer-funded!) arena.

This concerns me, and, believe it or not, that’s actually not because I despise “people and communities of color.” In fact, it’s quite the opposite: It’s because this approach to teaching math will only end up harming the very groups it claims it champions. As The American Conservative’sRod Dreher notes:

The young people who are going to learn real math are those whose parents can afford to put them in private schools. The public school kids of all races are going to get dumber and dumber.
Guess what? Minority students are far more likely to attend public school than whites. In fact, according to Private School Review, “[t]he average percent of minority students in private schools is approximately 28 percent.”

In other words? The minority students, the members of the very groups that this curriculum presumably aims to aid, are actually going to be learning less math than they would have without it — because they will be spending some of that class time learning about how math’s racism has hurt them. Ironically, one of the curriculum’s goals is to teach students how to “critique systems of power that deny access to mathematical knowledge to people and communities of color,” and yet, that’s exactly what the district itself would be doing with it.

The historical contributions of communities of color are important, and students should study them. A better place to study them, though, would (quite obviously) be a history class, not a mathematics one. Mathematics classes should be for mathematics lessons; this is especially important considering the fact that math is exactly where American students (of all races) struggle compared to students in other countries. In fact, according to a Pew Research study from 2017, American students ranked 38th out of 71 countries in the subject. If we want to fix this, we need to focus more on math, instead of looking for ways to teach less of it in the very classes where our students are supposed to be learning it.

The bottom line is: If Seattle’s school district really wants to help minority students excel in mathematics, the last thing it should be doing is proposing a math curriculum that would teach less of it in the schools that they’re most likely to attend.
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A reasonable article for once. It’s true though, the last thing those kids need is less math in math class.
 
This is why the Chinese are beating our asses in math, engineering, and medical jobs.
Are they? Given how shoddy chinese buildings are and how their medicine in some cases is little better than homeopathy I'd say they have a long way to go before they even reach the vaunted heights of our shoddiest engineers and doctors.
 
Are they? Given how shoddy chinese buildings are and how their medicine in some cases is little better than homeopathy I'd say they have a long way to go before they even reach the vaunted heights of our shoddiest engineers and doctors.
Asians typically are more empirically and practically minded, while whitey lie on the "out of the box thinking" which is the opposite of following conventional rules.
That's why many inventions are done by whitey but ultimately refined by Japanese and now in many cases Chinese. This is also why so many coders are Asian, coding is extremely orthodox, try to get creative with something and it won't compile. There are outliers which usually were British colonies, such as HK.

Chinese herbal medicine overall works better than a placebo, and in some cases work as well as modern medicine. The hospitals in China don't use it, so there's that. The biggest book on it has been edited by the CCP too, removing stuff like cow and horse feces.

You're not really gonna convince anyone with some engineering knowledge that we have an upper hand to China when it comes to building stuff... it's just factually untrue.
While the Chinese are covering their country with massive bridges and high speed rail with only their own records in sight to beat, using almost fully automated machines, we are talking about tranny babies and not letting whites have kids to reverse global warming climate change. The state here spent almost 1 year to fix some footpaths, pathetic. That's enough time for them complete an entire fucking rail network. It's not just bridges, the roads are very well planned and robust, they have these machines that make islands. Don't believe me, go there and see it for yourself, then you will really feel ashamed of your state's priorities.

Here's also a bridge that links HK, Zhuhai, and Macau. They made some islands to make this happen.

Homosexual and nigger tranny months, how about fix the fucking roads?
 
Asians typically are more empirically and practically minded, while whitey lie on the "out of the box thinking" which is the opposite of following conventional rules.
That's why many inventions are done by whitey but ultimately refined by Japanese and now in many cases Chinese. This is also why so many coders are Asian, coding is extremely orthodox, try to get creative with something and it won't compile. There are outliers which usually were British colonies, such as HK.

Chinese herbal medicine overall works better than a placebo, and in some cases work as well as modern medicine. The hospitals in China don't use it, so there's that. The biggest book on it has been edited by the CCP too, removing stuff like cow and horse feces.

You're not really gonna convince anyone with some engineering knowledge that we have an upper hand to China when it comes to building stuff... it's just factually untrue.
While the Chinese are covering their country with massive bridges and high speed rail with only their own records in sight to beat, using almost fully automated machines, we are talking about tranny babies and not letting whites have kids to reverse global warming climate change. The state here spent almost 1 year to fix some footpaths, pathetic. That's enough time for them complete an entire fucking rail network. It's not just bridges, the roads are very well planned and robust, they have these machines that make islands. Don't believe me, go there and see it for yourself, then you will really feel ashamed of your state's priorities.

Here's also a bridge that links HK, Zhuhai, and Macau. They made some islands to make this happen.

Homosexual and nigger tranny months, how about fix the fucking roads?

The romans used roads to rape the PoCs therefore roads are racist and must be dismantled. However, jackhammers are also racist, as are all over road-dismantling equipment. How can we destroy racist roads without the tools of the white patriarchy? We must pray to allah for guidance.

- future texan mathematics textbook
 
PEMDAS. The laws of math. A computer, if needed. If you put in the number, and every step checks out with the laws, you get the right answer. It’s not writing, there’s only one set of correct answers.

If niggers could follow laws, we wouldn't be having special-ed math classes where feelings are taught instead of formulas. Unfortunately "Don't steal" is just as hard to do as "solve for x."
 
Wait what, the elites want to privatise education? They want to put the federal government in charge to indoctrinate people even more with Social Justice.
 
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Wait what, the elites want to privatise education? They want to put the federal government in charge to indoctrinate people even more with Social Justice.
There's only a difference between the two if you think that the people who own corporations are different than the people who own politicians. School vouchers or going completely private are just ways of getting tax dollars to go towards private education expenses. And also a means to acquiring the contract to run the schools. The quality of education won't improve because they don't want an educated populace. It's just a good business opportunity for them and saves them $ on tuition costs.

Republicans are very much in favor of this. Unless you think that only Democrats are the elite?
 
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Asians typically are more empirically and practically minded, while whitey lie on the "out of the box thinking" which is the opposite of following conventional rules.
I see somebody has never heard of the British. Or the French. Or the Romans.

Now the Japanese on the other hand, yeah, I'd believe that.

Chinese herbal medicine overall works better than a placebo, and in some cases work as well as modern medicine.
Citation needed. Many if not all the "ancient" chinese remedies were completely made up during the great leap forward.

You're not really gonna convince anyone with some engineering knowledge that we have an upper hand to China when it comes to building stuff... it's just factually untrue.
I dunno it's pretty easy when you show them stuff like this:



China likes to brag about the marvels it builds, but take anything more than a quick glance at these marvels and you see how shoddy they are.

While the Chinese are covering their country with massive bridges and high speed rail with only their own records in sight to beat, using almost fully automated machines...
We are that much farther along then they are. The chinese have spent decades trying to catch up with us and are only now starting to even get near the level of skill our engineers have. Even then they have a ways to go, a long ways.

...we are talking about tranny babies and not letting whites have kids to reverse global warming climate change.
You think weird shit doesn't happen in china?

The state here spent almost 1 year to fix some footpaths, pathetic.
Red tape is a bitch.

That's enough time for them complete an entire fucking rail network.
Yeah, if you're using shoddy chinese workmanship or materials.

It's not just bridges, the roads are very well planned and robust, they have these machines that make islands.
So does the U.S.

Don't believe me, go there and see it for yourself, then you will really feel ashamed of your state's priorities.
I'd feel more ashamed about defending the chinese. For all their swagger and bragging, they are a third world country with only a few pockets of civilization and modernization. And even then those pockets are polluted hellholes. The chinese should be ashamed they turned a once beautiful land into a giant septic tank.
 
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This initiative is spearheaded by Tracy Castro-Gill, or "TenaciousT". (archive)

I don't know if she's thread worthy right now, but she is posting a lot of stupid shit on the internet and it might metastasize into a thread later, who knows.

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People have been having very bad run-ins with her in the past - surprise surprise, lots of people getting called racist, slapfighting and circle jerks. The following link has a lot of stuff - I didn't find the slap-fight interesting but there's definitely a lot of content.

https://saveseattleschools.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-strange-case-of-tracy-castro-gill.html
(archive)
There's nothing that brings terrible, self-loathing, self-destructive people together quite like social justice. In one half, we have a disgusting white pig of a woman who's trying to drag down all white people because she hates her own loathsome self, in the other we presumably have a few black people who can't succeed, can't even comprehend of a method of success, so they just want to shit up everything for everybody.
 
Thank god someone expressed their Mathspergers before me. I think the Muffin Maker was thinking of transcendental functions, root finding in the complex plane, classes of partial differential equations and so on where you wind up with an infinite number of solutions. I deal with that kind of shit every day. Sometimes if you are guaranteed a solution, you just have to take your answer as the most probable one. What this landwhale seems to not understand is that "there are an infinite number of solutions" does not mean the same thing as "any number is any solution. Inclucivity, yeah!"

I guess to make my post more OT, I should archive a few random posts.

Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of apparent tard gravy. Apparently this bitch is a literal nobody. I don't think I saw a single tweet with more than 10 reactions of any kind. But anyway, here's some random archived shit, for great justice.

Of course there's Marxism
Math is “Objective”
Contaminate everything
A white racist telling other white racists how to react to coloreds
White gaze (not to be confused with White Gays)
It reproduced, I wonder of it did it via binary fission (more like nonbinary fission amirite)
Students of Color generally have greater senses of responsibility
Link to a manifesto

Aforementioned manifesto -- and would you look at that, 4 or 5 white girls in a row (out of 11 people). Also note the very brave, true and honest woman in the front has to kneel due to their height.

Tbh, there's really nothing much here, and what's present is so generically inflammatory and stupid that I'm not inclined to dig any deeper. But here it is, on the internet, forever.

She looks like she would smell so bad and probably has a lot of tantrums when she is challenged at all.

Fuck, just remembered this gem:
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There's nothing that brings terrible, self-loathing, self-destructive people together quite like social justice. In one half, we have a disgusting white pig of a woman who's trying to drag down all white people because she hates her own loathsome self, in the other we presumably have a few black people who can't succeed, can't even comprehend of a method of success, so they just want to shit up everything for everybody.

She definitely doesn't identify as white; she was wearing that 'Scholar' shirt with the word 'chola' highlighted in the middle.
 
See, that would be one thing; Except now all these integrated schools are going to drag down all their students for that minority. The end result is you end up having to send your child to an expensive religious private school or they don't get an education.
My sis is doing this with her kids. Probably best they may never have to deal with this nonsense in their math classes.
 
Ahmad is an oppressed peaceful moderate Muslim. He and his family is chasing the American dream, one boat after another.
Ahmad has $88 and downloads a cookbook from kickasstorrents.
A pressure cooker is $15 each and the other components come to $10. A Nike backpack would cost $5, and each backpack can hold one pressure cooker.
Question: How many pressure cookers of diversity can Ahmad purchase?

The sports hall have the following layout:
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The flow of people maximises 20 minutes before the game or 30 minutes after the game. The flow follows a binomial distribution. About 1,500 infidels are expected to attend the event. Using the knowledge you have acquired in Stochastic Processes, predict the nodes with maximum human flow. There are three main entrances, two change rooms, and two canteen areas. The game begins at 1:00 pm and ends at 3:00 pm.
Derive the probability mass function and plot it.
Based on the results, where and when should Ahmad plant his pressure cookers of diversity?

The blast radius of diversity is about 0.5 metres. The radius can be enhanced with an add-on, but it will cost $17.99. Doing so, the blast radius increases to 3 metres. 8 infidels are expected to receive multiculturalism per square metre. Calculate the expected amount of infidels sent to allah for each method per dollar spent, which one will you recommend and why? If assembling diversity cooker mk1 takes 40 minutes and diversity cooker mk2 takes 2 hours, what is the efficiency of each?

Ahmad is arrested by the white capitalist supremacy racist power structure and escorted by three black cops. Ahmad's family needs to hire a human rights lawyer to fight this prejudice injustice. There are three totally white lawyers to choose from, each with a different record:
1. Isaac Feinstein: 40% wins, $120/hour.
2. Jonathan Goldberg: 65% wins, $450/hour.
3. Levi Steinowitz: 95% wins, $1488/hour.
Ahmad's family has the option to start a gofundme and it is expected to raise $120,000. Ahmad's father Imman Muhammad Ali also has the option to paint his house and his mosque with swastikas and increase the funding to $200,000, however there's a 5% chance that he will get caught, which increases the funding to $300,000 since it is art and activism, however he also needs a lawyer now since he is caught. The chance increases exponentially with accordance to the amount of swastikas painted. Based on the information, derive a plan for Ahmad's family to fight this injustice.

Bonus question:
استشهد الشهداء
You're are either a God tier shitposter, or a glowing sand nigger.
10/10.
 
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well todays greeks arent, but historic greeks were. Alexander the great had light, redish hair and didnt looked like a discount turk.
David Reich's lab at Harvard recently released the genomes of hundreds of Ancient Greeks; this data is being used for lots of really exciting stuff now. Can I refer you to two of my favorite blogs

http://evoandproud.blogspot.com and


which to some extent covers some really exciting stuff in human biodiversity/evolution. Genome wide association studies allow us to get a good ballpark estimate for someone's IQ with just their genome; Woodley of Menie is doing some great research in this area, although I've found his findings rather disappointing (he seems to suggest that Ancient Greeks were somewhat below us in average IQ; previously there were some tentative reasons to think the opposite). Probably we were smarter quite a bit before that, though:


In my latest paper I argue that northern hunting peoples were the first to break free from the cognitive straitjacket of hunting and gathering. Because women at northern latitudes had few opportunities for food gathering, they took on new, more cognitively demanding tasks, like garment making, needlework, weaving, leatherworking, pottery, and kiln operation. This increase in task complexity, led by women, provided these peoples and their descendants with the mental toolkit for later developments: farming, more complex technology and social organization, and an increasingly future-oriented culture (Frost 2019).

That paper left out a key piece of evidence. As these northern hunting peoples expanded southward into the temperate zone, they must have had excess mental capacity, especially the women, who were now redirected toward the cognitive demands of food gathering and, later, farming. Cognitive demand also decreased for men, who no longer had to store huge quantities of spatiotemporal information for tracking game and finding their way home. On the other hand, men put some of this excess mental capacity to new uses, by exploiting many of the technologies that women had pioneered.

So is there evidence of decreased cognitive demand after the last ice age? According to a study by Maciej Henneberg (1988), brain size steadily shrank from the Mesolithic to modern times, on the order of 9.9% for men and 17.4% for women. This is consistent with the reduction in cognitive demand being greater for women than for men.

From http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2019/07/why-did-brain-size-decrease-after-ice.html
 
I see somebody has never heard of the British. Or the French. Or the Romans.

Now the Japanese on the other hand, yeah, I'd believe that.
The nips are very systematic as well, which is why Asians are called ant people. A hive mind, hard working, as implied, there's good and bad aspects. Not sure what you're referring to with the brits etc, if you're talking about sciency stuff, that just adds to my points. Sometimes some empirical boundaries must be broken.

Citation needed. Many if not all the "ancient" chinese remedies were completely made up during the great leap forward.
Untrue, the stuff was modified by the CCP to remove all the dumb shit. You're conflating legit practices with what essentially are scamming witch doctors, our equivalence is healing crystals.
I'm agreeing with you that TCM at large is basically a placebo, just as "healing crystals" there's no practical use, hence hospitals in China won't use it. If you want "citation", there's a meta study that my claims are based on: https://time.com/4383611/acupuncture-alternative-medicine-pain/

Acupuncture is something that actually works when it comes to certain problems, the idea of mixing horse shit and whatever is just bullshit, hence the CCP had to modify the ancient books so it makes more sense. What people seem to conflate, even in China, are the so called "TCM experts" and their hogwash ideas such as shocking certain parts of the body to relief pain, something the elderly bought into and wouldn't accept any scepticism, probably because that device which is nothing but an RLC circuit costs over thousands and they want to convince themselves that it works. There's also the so called belief that walnuts benefit the human brain because... walnuts apparently look like human brains, and eating something resembling human brains will grow more... brains?? Then that mudslime twink Reza whatever who was forced to eat human brains on a BBC documentary should be smarter by now.

I dunno it's pretty easy when you show them stuff like this:



China likes to brag about the marvels it builds, but take anything more than a quick glance at these marvels and you see how shoddy they are.
You won't see anything built by China railway group collapse like that lol. Greedy private companies trying to cut corners has nothing to do with the infrastructure craze and construction capabilities of their state. The best that can be done is sentence these greedy fuckers to lifetime imprisonment or capital punishment (which they do, actively). Shit like this is coined as Tofu construction in China. Also a private company choosing to use shit material does not reflect the engineering, it speaks more about morality, ethics, and lawful practices, which many businesses China no doubt heavily lacks.

You think weird shit doesn't happen in china?
It does, but I don't see transgender babies and faggot rights being discussed by the state.
Also, so what if weird shit happens there, do two wongs make a wright?

Not gonna respond to the rest, no point, it's emotional babble to me, especially the "you're defending" part -- is that even an argument? I've "defended" actions of the states and aboland more than I've ever wanted to talk about China. You seem quick to ask me for a citation but won't back up your own claims. If you think the rotting roads and cracked footpaths not being repaired is "nicely planned", then no one can convince you. China and Japan has far better infrastructure, period. I'm guessing you've never been to any of these places. If your jingoism due to all the economy war shit gets in the way, I'll use Japan to exemplify instead. Japan is one of the newer nations with old but functional infrastructure that they improve and fix, now the country is covered with high speed rail. What about the US, where's yours? Oh the California one that's been over the budget and saw many gay protests from environmentalists which caused delay after delay? What a fucking joke. Your infrastructure is rotting, and your politicians are talking about aborting 6-month-old babies and transgender kids, while sucking off Israel.

Yes the environment is shit there. During industrialisation, every country was a septic tank at some point. There's some 1.4 billion there that needs a shelter and jobs, you're not gonna have a posh nature resort when people are feeding off treebark in the streets. Have 30 years of smog with some dying, but a better future for everyone, or people rotting in the streets due to lack of infrastructure and shelter, as seen during Mao's regime? Most will happily go with the latter.

Tell me, which would you prefer?
Eating tree barks and living in holes, Henan, famines of 1943. Up to 15 million dead.
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80% owning a shelter (not the land, the shelter is yours), and smog once in a while, Zhengzhou, Henan now.
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Yeah, shame on them right? Muh nature ruined, skyscrapers everywhere, fast trains, how bad? Where are the trees, oh I'm hungry, I need to take a bite. Does anyone miss those days? Zhengzhou isn't a tier 1 city in China, people love to talk about how only Shanghai and Shenzhen "resembles a living place" -- go outside. There's only 4 tier one cities in China. The way some Americans see China is exactly the same as how some Chinese see America, both are blinded by extreme irrationality, jingoism, and brainwashed by the lying media.

Say all you want about the supposed "sloppy craftsmanship" and bring up the several statistical outliers involving greedy companies where the owners are probably in jail or dead, doesn't make the infrastructure any better in the US. People can travel from Shanghai to Beijing in 4.5~6 hours, that's about 1070km. San Francisco to Los Angeles is 559km, and it takes 9 fucking hours. What about cost? 1070km is $78 compared to $52 for 559km, $52 takes up to twice the time. I can't see how anyone can be convinced that China is just "catching up". I guess if it's a round trip compared to one direction, yeah they caught up. Even if I grant you your argument, only the 4 tier 1 cities caught up, sure. The "borderline tier one" cities have caught up, now the tier 2 ones are undergoing mass infrastructure construction, and they will catch up, because your country isn't going forward. When even the shithole tier 5 ones are there, what are you gonna do? Try and convince yourself that infrastructure is fine and rewatch the two dozen videos of greedy chinks causing buildings to collapse, something that everyone in China condemns? I'm not trying to insult people, I genuinely want the states to do well, because you can do well.

Here's what I just called a "shithole".
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(Tier 2-5, left to right, Xiamen, Haikou, Lijiang, Hanzhong)
Of course, photographs show the best aspects. Compare the best to the best yourself. If the last one is a shithole, I don't know what places like Detroit can be called.

Aboland has many plans to renew Sydney and Melbourne, people here are sick of the catch-up games, we're on a good track. About time for straightened priorities. Just think about the amount of money your country wastes on Israel, starting wars to appease the neocons/neolibs and these queer rubbish, if the money used to bomb sandniggers and fund a parasite is put into paving better roads and constructing better transport, it benefits everyone locally, the PEOPLE. Something your country seem to have long forgotten. China being good or bad doesn't affect me, what I do want is our infrastructure to be better. If everyone have convinced themselves that wasting money on bombing sandniggers and rotting public transport is good for the people, then I'll never see improved infrastructure.

You guys can beat China or Japan or the world in infrastructure, you just choose not to because the priorities are as straight as a faggot pride parade. I hope this is convincing enough, if it's not, maybe the bystander will find this stuff interesting and reflect on the cabinet of traitors being voted in each election cycle. Hopefully we can stop focusing on the divisive queer shit (affects literally less than 10% of the people) and make lives better for everyone, including these faggots.
 
You guys can beat China or Japan or the world in infrastructure, you just choose not to because the priorities are as straight as a faggot pride parade. I hope this is convincing enough, if it's not, maybe the bystander will find this stuff interesting and reflect on the cabinet of traitors being voted in each election cycle. Hopefully we can stop focusing on the divisive queer shit (affects literally less than 10% of the people) and make lives better for everyone, including these faggots.
so a white ethno state without gays?
 
so a white ethno state without gays?
Sadly most of the now rotting infrastructure were built when the states was an ethnostate.

Also, Chinamen contributed to the infrastructure building (namely railways) back then, and many died. How many died during the construction of China's HSR network? The two countries can seriously work together, China builds the HSR at low cost and high efficiency. The truss structures and bridges have all been independently tested (by HK, they arrested some Chinese for allegedly forging test results and did the test themselves) and it withstands a magnitude 8 earthquake. This can lead to two giants working in unity rather than the current BS we are seeing, which neither benefits the citizens of both sides, nor the world.

Nah, who am I kidding? The US needs a boogeyman to hate on to garner votes, the CCP needs a boogeyman to hate on to reinforce nationalism and distract from their own corrupted practices.

BTW, Beijing's new airport cost $12 billion of the projected $17 billion, meanwhile 17 billion is the cost to build a runway in western countries. (Citation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aWJ5p3X-Yo) This isn't a question about low standards or whatever rubbish, it's not 2008. The efficiency and amount of homosexual socialist hoops we must jump through is staggering... I thought they were the filthy reds.
 
The nips are very systematic as well, which is why Asians are called ant people. A hive mind, hard working, as implied, there's good and bad aspects. Not sure what you're referring to with the brits etc, if you're talking about sciency stuff, that just adds to my points. Sometimes some empirical boundaries must be broken.
The brits are known for being empirical and practical minded. Odd you didn't know that.

Untrue, the stuff was modified by the CCP to remove all the dumb shit. You're conflating legit practices with what essentially are scamming witch doctors, our equivalence is healing crystals.
I'm agreeing with you that TCM at large is basically a placebo, just as "healing crystals" there's no practical use, hence hospitals in China won't use it. If you want "citation", there's a meta study that my claims are based on: https://time.com/4383611/acupuncture-alternative-medicine-pain/
Article is by the Times. Here I thought you'd present actual evidence.

It does, but I don't see transgender babies and faggot rights being discussed by the state.
Also, so what if weird shit happens there, do two wongs make a wright?
Nice subtle jab at your future chinese overlords. Better be careful though, they might send you to a re-education camp.

I dunno though, I'd rather have a discussion on tranny rights because it would at least make me laugh. As for weird chinese shit, three words: Virgin Boy Eggs.

I mean that's just degeneracy on another level that trannies in the states can only dream of.

Not gonna respond to the rest, no point, it's emotional babble to me...
You don't actually have a counter argument, got it.

Yes the environment is shit there. During industrialisation, every country was a septic tank at some point. There's some 1.4 billion there that needs a shelter and jobs, you're not gonna have a posh nature resort when people are feeding off treebark in the streets. Have 30 years of smog with some dying, but a better future for everyone, or people rotting in the streets due to lack of infrastructure and shelter, as seen during Mao's regime? Most will happily go with the latter.
Sounds like you're just trying to justify how shit the environment in china really is. See, what the other countries have that the chinese still don't are standards and regulations. I suspect it'll be around the time the universe ends when they finally decide to quit shitting where they eat.

Tell me, which would you prefer?
Eating tree barks and living in holes, Henan, famines of 1943. Up to 15 million dead.
1122.jpg
henan.jpg

80% owning a shelter (not the land, the shelter is yours), and smog once in a while, Zhengzhou, Henan now.
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Yeah, shame on them right? Muh nature ruined, skyscrapers everywhere, fast trains, how bad? Where are the trees, oh I'm hungry, I need to take a bite. Does anyone miss those days? Zhengzhou isn't a tier 1 city in China, people love to talk about how only Shanghai and Shenzhen "resembles a living place" -- go outside. There's only 4 tier one cities in China. The way some Americans see China is exactly the same as how some Chinese see America, both are blinded by extreme irrationality, jingoism, and brainwashed by the lying media.
It is a shame the chinese have ruined there environment, especially because most of their shit is pretty garbage to begin with. If this city is so great, why didn't you show the worst of it? I mean, compared to a famine the worst of the city has to look grand, right? Not a bad attempt at emotional pandering there, showing people living in holes and biting a tree, now why should I believe that's what happened during the famine? How do I know you're telling the truth?

Say all you want about the supposed "sloppy craftsmanship"...
Nice of you to admit it, see, it wasn't so hard now was it?
...and bring up the several statistical outliers involving greedy companies where the owners are probably in jail or dead
Only if they've pissed off the Party, otherwise they're in the clear.

Here's what I just called a "shithole".
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(Tier 2-5, left to right, Xiamen, Haikou, Lijiang, Hanzhong)
Of course, photographs show the best aspects. Compare the best to the best yourself. If the last one is a shithole, I don't know what places like Detroit can be called.
America does it better.

Detroit is called Detroit.

Aboland has many plans to renew Sydney and Melbourne, people here are sick of the catch-up games, we're on a good track. About time for straightened priorities. Just think about the amount of money your country wastes on Israel, starting wars to appease the neocons/neolibs and these queer rubbish, if the money used to bomb sandniggers and fund a parasite is put into paving better roads and constructing better transport, it benefits everyone locally, the PEOPLE. Something your country seem to have long forgotten. China being good or bad doesn't affect me, what I do want is our infrastructure to be better. If everyone have convinced themselves that wasting money on bombing sandniggers and rotting public transport is good for the people, then I'll never see improved infrastructure.

You guys can beat China or Japan or the world in infrastructure, you just choose not to because the priorities are as straight as a faggot pride parade. I hope this is convincing enough, if it's not, maybe the bystander will find this stuff interesting and reflect on the cabinet of traitors being voted in each election cycle. Hopefully we can stop focusing on the divisive queer shit (affects literally less than 10% of the people) and make lives better for everyone, including these faggots.
Oh, okay. This explains so much. You're an Australian, no wonder you know nothing about the chinese. I mean other than they're taking over your country and pretty soon they'll be claiming that kangaroo-land was always chinese clay.

You have my pity.
 
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