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I Don wanna read that AIDs. What's the Tl;Dr?I see that and raise you this.
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I Don wanna read that AIDs. What's the Tl;Dr?I see that and raise you this.
Trump dies of COVID in October 2020 and things spiral from there.I Don wanna read that AIDs. What's the Tl;Dr?
I'm basically convinced that "butterflies" on ah.com is just an excuse to bring about whatever the author wants to happen. Want Russia to be run by a bunch of troon anarchists? Easy, just have a slightly more competent Italian general staff. Want the evil chuds to kill wholesome 100 big chungus Bernie? Easy, just have Trump die in October. It doesn't matter how obviously ridiculous it is so long as you can justify it with "butterflies".I see that and raise you this.
I will confess I've used "butterflies" as an excuse to take events down different paths even if it didn't directly correlate to the original POD. Usually I try to avoid it, but sometimes story takes precedent over direct realism.I'm basically convinced that "butterflies" on ah.com is just an excuse to bring about whatever the author wants to happen. Want Russia to be run by a bunch of troon anarchists? Easy, just have a slightly more competent Italian general staff. Want the evil chuds to kill wholesome 100 big chungus Bernie? Easy, just have Trump die in October. It doesn't matter how obviously ridiculous it is so long as you can justify it with "butterflies".
Definitely. For All Time is better than AANW because AANW is basically Calbear building a world where America is a liberal and tolerant superpower that forces liberalism and tolerance on everyone at gunpoint and where nuking civilians is a good thing because, hey, they're scary evil right-wing populists from the wrong part of the world. For All Time is just what happens when you let anything that can go wrong go wrong and is worth reading purely because of that.I will confess I've used "butterflies" as an excuse to take events down different paths even if it didn't directly correlate to the original POD. Usually I try to avoid it, but sometimes story takes precedent over direct realism.
I've never done it to make a better world though, almost always I do it to throw an even bigger wrench in affairs than existed OTL. It's probably just personal taste, but I find timelines that make the world "better" (according to the author's beliefs) to never be as good as something that gets worse. What Madness is This is far better than say Let the Eagle Scream because even though WMIT is fucking insane after the midpoint, it doesn't rely on moralfagging or agreeing with that author's rather pessimistic worldview to enjoy.
Yes, but it would need the same good luck Islam had to become successful. The reason Islam did so well is because Mohammed took over Mecca and established Islam there while the Byzantines and the Persians were beating each other up and were exhausted from the war, and quickly took over some very prosperous regions of the Eastern Roman Empire which allowed it to supply itself. It's not like there was anything stopping Ragnarr from declaring that there were no gods apart from Thor and Ragnarr was his prophet, but any religion like that would just get crushed by other tribes unless it had the amazing run of luck Islam had.Is something like an Islam-esque Viking 'successor' faith possible? Or one started by Berbers instead of Arabs?
Easier said than done. Roman emperors tried to influence Christianity (eg by making Arianism part of Christian doctrine). Lots of the Church simply said "lol, no". Remember that Christians had spent 300 years making it very clear that they would not accept paganism or sacrifice at pagan altars, which was part of the reason they were persecuted. They aren't just going to start praying to St Mars and St Mercury because a guy in a purple robe says so.what abt Constantine or his heirs making Christianity more militant and pagan, so that its more palatable to the legions?
If the Eastern Roman Empire tries to assert its authority over Rome then it gets its arse kicked. Robert Guiscard had already defeated the Byzantines in Italy. If they decide that the Pope needs to be replaced with a pro-Byzantine patriarch of Rome who accepts he's first among equals but that the Emperor gets a say in how the Church is run, then the Pope is not going to be happy. Like "this means war" not happy. The likeliest outcome would be the Turks expanding into Anatolia earlier because of the ERE's weakness and Orthodoxy dying very quickly except for (maybe) Russia.What if the east-west split or the Reformation went REAL bad?
That happened - Manichaeism was as popular as Christianity for some time. It faded away because Manichaeus wrote a lot of stuff about astronomy that became part of Manichaean dogma and which was later shown to be false by people who knew about astronomy.Oh and don't forget Manichaeism taking off like Wild-fire.
cursed timelineI see that and raise you this.
It died out because it was persecuted by everyone besides like two or three Turkic khanates who made it their religion and the rare moments of tolerance. Astronomy didn't have anything to do with it, I mean the Bible refers to an earth which is fixed in place on foundations (1 Chronicles 16:30) and a flat disc (Isaiah 40:22) which the people who wrote the Bible literally believed (because it's an ancient Semitic belief) but the Ancient Greeks disproved that very early on.That happened - Manichaeism was as popular as Christianity for some time. It faded away because Manichaeus wrote a lot of stuff about astronomy that became part of Manichaean dogma and which was later shown to be false by people who knew about astronomy.
It died out because it was persecuted by everyone besides like two or three Turkic khanates who made it their religion and the rare moments of tolerance. Astronomy didn't have anything to do with it, I mean the Bible refers to an earth which is fixed in place on foundations (1 Chronicles 16:30) and a flat disc (Isaiah 40:22) which the people who wrote the Bible literally believed (because it's an ancient Semitic belief) but the Ancient Greeks disproved that very early on.
If any pagan European faith was going to end up creating it's own Abrahamic faith (or even their own organized faith), my money would be on the religion of the Gauls or Britons if anyone. According to ancient sources, they already had an organized and educated clergy that dealt with both religious and secular matters in the form of the druids. They were also within spitting distance of the incredibly wealthy lands of Italy, which could easily be the boost for them in the same way that Persia was for Islam.I've always wondered abt the possibility of extra/alternate Abrahamic Faiths.
Is something like an Islam-esque Viking 'successor' faith possible? Or one started by Berbers instead of Arabs?
They even had green all over them too!If any pagan European faith was going to end up creating it's own Abrahamic faith (or even their own organized faith), my money would be on the religion of the Gauls or Britons if anyone. According to ancient sources, they already had an organized and educated clergy that dealt with both religious and secular matters in the form of the druids. They were also within spitting distance of the incredibly wealthy lands of Italy, which could easily be the boost for them in the same way that Persia was for Islam.
Based White Gaelic world where Vercingetorix kills Caesar, annihilates the Mediterranean race and Semitic religion, and gives everybody a redhead gfIf any pagan European faith was going to end up creating it's own Abrahamic faith (or even their own organized faith), my money would be on the religion of the Gauls or Britons if anyone. According to ancient sources, they already had an organized and educated clergy that dealt with both religious and secular matters in the form of the druids. They were also within spitting distance of the incredibly wealthy lands of Italy, which could easily be the boost for them in the same way that Persia was for Islam.
Out off everyone on SB and SV, there's literally one guy whom I could tolerate.I mean, if you know Madoka you'd know it's not about two lesbians fighting against imaginary space fascism with horrible illustrations. Shinbo would kill himself over this.
I demand the return of my time and IQ wasted reading this garbage. The twists are so stupid and sudden its quite hilariousThe longer you read, the worse it gets.
The earlier bits were pretty fascinating tho.God, that piece of shit was so damn disappointing for such and odd and interesting premise.
I came in excited to see what kind of civilization could emerge in an environment where the day/night cycle is a year long and all i got was RAEP and Lovecraft references every 3rd sentence.![]()
I've always wondered abt the possibility of extra/alternate Abrahamic Faiths.
Is something like an Islam-esque Viking 'successor' faith possible? Or one started by Berbers instead of Arabs?
what abt Constantine or his heirs making Christianity more militant and pagan, so that its more palatable to the legions?
What if the east-west split or the Reformation went REAL bad?
Oh and don't forget Manichaeism taking off like Wild-fire.