Should Chris receive donations?

[DangDirtyTrolls]

Ultimately it comes down to the individual how they choose to spend their money and nobody else has a right to tell them how to spend it. I won't be donating anything to Chris but other people might want to and that's their decision to make. If you don't think Chris should receive any donations then don't donate anything and leave it at that, making a topic and arguing like this is pointless because it's not your place to tell people how to spend their own money.

Similarly you can't tell Chris how to spend the money either, if he wants to piss it away on video games and toys then tough, it's his choice. If you're the donator you could specify how you want the donation to be used but knowing them as we do I wouldn't expect the Chandlers to honour any agreement. Some people here are really overstepping boundaries when it comes to trying to control exactly what should and shouldn't be donated and how Chris may and may not use the donations. Nobody has that level of control over the situation; it's up to the individual to donate what they want and it's up to Chris and Barb to decide what they do with any and all donations.

 

[A-Stump]

If there was ever a coffee can in a small community that said; 'Donate to this guy who does nothing, has never done anything, will never go on to do anything, inadvertently caused the fire with his own stupidity and disregard for fire safety, and he also smells bad' I bet the community would probably have people saying, 'Oh hey you know that one other guy who had his house burn down, he worked really hard and bought everything with money made with his hands. Maybe we should donate to him instead of the smelly troll who does nothing but play games all day and wish for other people to die'.

 

[Mourning Dove]

Yeah, why are we still discussing this...?

 

[A-Stump]

I NEVER EVEN KNEW

Well, then again, it doesn't feel too out of place in a forum where things that have happened years ago is still regularly dissected and discussed

 

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, why are we still discussing this...?

My best guess is that they wanted to reflect on the donation drive and ponder if everyone made a wise decision in helping out of the kindness of their hearts or not. That's not saying I think we should keep talking about this; what's done is done and it isn't gonna make a difference by now, I'm just offering my two cents about the discussion itself.

 

[EzioCanLeapofFaith]

Well I for one didn't even know there was a donation drive , much less that it was over.
That's why I posted. I just come here to discuss Chris and share my opinion on some of the topics

 

[LM 697]

Yeah, why are we still discussing this...?

Welcome to the CWCki Forums.

 

[qld]

Ultimately it comes down to the individual how they choose to spend their money and nobody else has a right to tell them how to spend it. I won't be donating anything to Chris but other people might want to and that's their decision to make. If you don't think Chris should receive any donations then don't donate anything and leave it at that, making a topic and arguing like this is pointless because it's not your place to tell people how to spend their own money.

Similarly you can't tell Chris how to spend the money either, if he wants to piss it away on video games and toys then tough, it's his choice. If you're the donator you could specify how you want the donation to be used but knowing them as we do I wouldn't expect the Chandlers to honour any agreement. Some people here are really overstepping boundaries when it comes to trying to control exactly what should and shouldn't be donated and how Chris may and may not use the donations. Nobody has that level of control over the situation; it's up to the individual to donate what they want and it's up to Chris and Barb to decide what they do with any and all donations.

So, laws against giving to panhandlers and homeless are against our right to do what we want with our money?
I think it would be hilarious if a local toy store donated all the latest vidya to Chris. It's funny people act like donations and their tugboats are all Chris and Barb will have left in this world, I'll be glad when it gets leaked that they're getting the house repaired/replaced, and a huge check for their contents. Will you still feel the same about your gift cards? I see the care package as a nice little gesture to distract them in their time of loss, sort of like taking a casserole to someone after a death in the family. Sure, the grief-stricken have money to go out to eat, but the influx of food and flowers is a slight distraction and part of the healing process. Money isn't going to replace mementoes and heirlooms, so there's nothing wrong with sending a fruit basket to lessen the blow.
I think people are confused about the motivation and expectation behind the donations. As diverse as the pool is, there's got to be a couple hundred different reasons behind each donation. Is the donator trying to reach out to Chris, and affect his life? Or 100% charitable and anonymous? Your donation didn't have to channel through this forum, they could've been sent to the office or 14 BLC and arrive uncensored. Hell, he might even be sitting on a few gamestop cards at this point.
I'm not interested in sending Chris anything, but now it has become a whole lot easier to get a package opened by Chris since they'll have to screen everything for gift cards. Seems like it may be a little bit of a game changer for the people that don't want the new kids trying to make contact with him.

Yeah, why are we still discussing this...?

My best guess is that they wanted to reflect on the donation drive and ponder if everyone made a wise decision in helping out of the kindness of their hearts or not. That's not saying I think we should keep talking about this; what's done is done and it isn't gonna make a difference by now, I'm just offering my two cents about the discussion itself.

Well, to quote Seinfeld, I "just think that the subject should resolve itself based on its own momentum." Talk about it, don't talk about it. Same as donate or don't donate. That's just my philosophy on any thread on here. Whatever gets you off, what I say, as long as it's civil.
I thought there was a "beating a dead horse" smilie, but there probably should be.

 

[JeffGoldblumIRL]

Wanting him to face consequences of his own actions and maybe even take responsibility isn't a-logging, it's the real world experience that barb and bob never gave him.

I think if we took this whole fund and donated it to a reputable charity in Chris's name would make both sides of the argument feel a whole lot better. There's people in third world countries who need it a hell of a lot more than some moron man child.

While I agree that this is forcing him to face the real world, and that's undeniably a good thing, it is an excessively extreme way of having it done. Personally, if I wanted to get someone to acclimate themselves to being social and getting out there and having a life, I wouldn't destroy their residence and all of their personal belongings. True, we did not hold drives for Chris' cars or anything else of the sort. A broken down car is not the same order of magnitude as a house fire. I am not patting Chris' ass by having donated to the cause, because given the nature of what just happened they're going to need a slightly larger safety net to catch them. Insurance companies are con artists, once they see the report that the house was hoarded they may alter their payout due to willful negligence. We don't know what the church is up to fully and according to Chris' Facebook his "closest friends" are content to argue with each other, post image macros, and offer cyberbullying calendars as support.

Maybe Chris deserves that level of support as retribution for how he's acted in the past, and that's where the rift in support of this cause happens. Maybe all those years of having an ego and pissing away government money on video games really is worth nothing more than church clothes and a shitty calendar. Either way, I'm looking beyond that to the bare bones of this situation: a person's house has been destroyed in a fire. I am in a position where I can spare a few bucks, I should help out.

 

[BALLZ-BROKEN]

At first, I was gonna donate $10, because I figured he gave me more than that in entertainment. I thought about it, then realized it's a rotten thing to think. Chris isn't a clown, he's just a mentally ill man that through an extraordinary set of circumstances, became the Internet's punching bag.

 

[CatParty]

He's only learned that if the house burns down, he gets gifts.

 

[JeffGoldblumIRL]

He's only learned that if the house burns down, he gets gifts.

People with healthy social relationships would get post-disaster gifts from their neighbors and not the Internet. The Chandlers effectively pushed away every neighbor and local friend, therefore we're their neighbors in this situation.

But that's the idea through a rational scope. You're right, Chris will probably think he gets free gifts for tragedies.

 

[Elendraug]

I donated because

• if they have the pets with them, or are reunited with them, I want to make sure they get fed; I want to know I threw in to get a petsmart gift card
• nobody deserves a house fire and I know several people IRL who've been through it, it's fucking beyond abysmal
• I'm involved with charitable shit in my real life
• I'm a fuckin bleeding heart
• I donate to the cwcki and just last week set up a recurring payment to its servers; I feel compelled to donate to OPL himself, too, since he's been providing lulz for years

if we find out that the madison-greene humane society has the Chandler pets I'll be writing them a check as well

IDGAF if chris is grateful or not, if he learns anything or not. (he won't, we all know it) I throw in for funds like this whenever people share links to them. to ignore the crisis of someone I've been mocking would make me feel guilty as fuck

/tl;dr

 

[Obnoxion]

I felt very ambivalent about the charity drive the moment I saw it. Donating seemed like a very irrational but mostly harmless thing to do.

Ultimately no action undertaken by a person is truly selfless or without any motivation. I had a choice, and I made it. I don't think I fully understand the consequence of my action, it doesn't seem obvious right now.

A wise Wizard once said: "once Barb dies, Chris-chan starts playing life on Dante Must Die mode". The house fire may have upped the difficulty level already.

They will laugh at us in a few weeks. How our group endeavor will have amounted to absolutely nothing in CWC's life. Whether one chooses action or inaction, Chris seems to be the void, nullifying both and being perfectly unaffected by either.

I guess I'm in a vulnerable position myself. Having narrowly escaped the pits of despair, I kindle the tiny flame of hope I have left. I acted in accordance with it this time around, no matter how foolish and naive it seemed because CWC just doesn't seem to ever learn and will predictably squander our gift for him. I have no regrets.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

He's only learned that if the house burns down, he gets gifts.

Maybe he'll assume if he burns down the hotel he'll somehow be awarded it's insurance pay out.

 

[Holdek]

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that the new users are vicious

As a new user, let me be brutally honest about my impressions.

This forum is heavily sanitized compared to what often goes on and is said on the Internet, especially in regard to people like Chris. There's a pretty heavy degree of self-censorship and a community willingness to label people A-Logs or Weens, both of which seemed to me at first almost reminescent of Chris's own behavior. It comes off as catty elitism on the part of the moderators and established users (although moderators seeming catty is part and parcel of being on an internet forum; probably a large part of that is them leaving brusque answers in an attempt to stay neutral-ish).

Well...you can't have a cat party without being a bit catty

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[Null]

If this thread has taught me anything, it's that the new users are vicious

As a new user, let me be brutally honest about my impressions.

This forum is heavily sanitized compared to what often goes on and is said on the Internet, especially in regard to people like Chris. There's a pretty heavy degree of self-censorship and a community willingness to label people A-Logs or Weens, both of which seemed to me at first almost reminescent of Chris's own behavior. It comes off as catty elitism on the part of the moderators and established users (although moderators seeming catty is part and parcel of being on an internet forum; probably a large part of that is them leaving brusque answers in an attempt to stay neutral-ish).

Are you shitting me?

People will attack and criticize the forum over even the slightest negative remark about Chris. If you say he didn't earn his CADD because the school was just pushing him out the door, then you get labeled as a dropout and a failure who can't comprehend the idea that Chris did something they did not. If you say that Chris doesn't deserve his tugboat because of how he spends it, people will claim you accept benefits and are just trollshielding. If you say he mistreated Megan, some will even argue that Megan was just trying to trick Chris into giving her free stuff. Nobody's entitled to their opinion without someone else thinking they're a self-loathing autistic meat-puppet covering up their own inadequacies. This forum is on the neutral end of this spectrum. PVCC and other lolcow-oriented communities are worse, and they look at this place like it's A-Log heaven.

The reason people seem so particular to what can be said is that they're desensitized to it. Everyone's gotten used to Chris now and the novelty of his antics has been completely lost. Those who come in and immediately start spouting off about how Chris doesn't deserve a thieving red-cent get ostracized because it seems alien that anyone could care that much, especially when it's about what they would try to do to actually help Chris. The people who do care that much are usually batshit fucking insane. If you don't believe me, check out Spergatory. There's some guy in there that was talking about fucking Chris in the ass with a full bowel. You never know who's going to turn out to be the next big crazy, and Chris attracts a lot of them. But really, the bottom line is this:

Chris is just some fucking guy. If you get adamant about how people shouldn't donate to him, or that audio logs of him lamenting the death of his father should be released to the public, or really anything, it starts concerning people.

 

[Medley]

The reason the discussion is still going on is because it is utterly baffling to myself and alot of people that people are still donating despite knowing full well that anything they give is going to be squandered. People need to realize that chris and his mother are going to be taken care of whether it be by local charities, insurance or the government through the welfare and social security they get. How many of you donated to him before this happened? I bet very very few of you because you know he would have wasted it... well you guys of all people should now that chris is incorrigible and any money he gets after the fire will be wasted on the same crap as before. If you send him gift cards it just means that he has more money to spend on video games and sex toys. Chris is just not a rational actor. At some level the people donating must think that they really are helping someone in and need and that maybe chris might come out of this situation a better person.

 

[Holdek]

He's only learned that if the house burns down, he gets gifts.

Maybe he'll assume if he burns down the hotel he'll somehow be awarded it's insurance pay out.

He thought he would be awarded the Game PLace during his criminal trial. So, maybe.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Does he? Maybe, maybe not. And if I had the money to give donations, I wouldn't*. BUT...I don't think it's wrong of people to help, if they choose to. However, I wouldn't necesssarily give money. Gift cards for specific things (grocery stores, restaurants, department stores, etc), where he wouldn't be able to waste it. He and Barb need clothes, so instead of sending them some, I'd give a gift card for Target, or Kohls, JC Penney's. (I do, however, think it would be hilarious if someone could find The Classic in his size, and send it to him.) Or since the pets probably need things, a gift card for Pet Smart.





*I mentioned in another thread that my cousin and her husband also lost their house in a fire recently, along with two of their cats. So anything I have to donate, I'm sending to them.