Should Chris receive donations?

[Jin]

say "HA! I tricked the trolls into giving me all this stuff"

I could actually see Chris convincing himself of this. While completely ignoring the fact that a box containing 873 dollars worth of stuff doesn't equal a house and most of his material possessions.

 

[mrwhopee]

People with healthy social relationships would get post-disaster gifts from their neighbors and not the Internet. The Chandlers effectively pushed away every neighbor and local friend, therefore we're their neighbors in this situation.

But that's the idea through a rational scope. You're right, Chris will probably think he gets free gifts for tragedies.

There's lots of spergs on ED that have been homeless like that blonde dollfucker (I forget what his name is) and that furry who drew the anime character with the bandana, etc. Just like Chris their situation was entirely avoidable, but unlike Chris they also don't have insurance and neighbours (who DID let them stay for a bit) and insurance-paid hotel stays, and a church. Does every sperg/autist/freakshow on ED or 4chan or wherever get a collection dish now?

It's really quite hypocritical, this is the same community who would be laughing at him about to go to jail for his own actions which had nothing to do with us. I didn't see a drive to help pay his legal fees when he could have quite possibly landed in jail which could have literally killed him or done far worse psych damage than losing his house.

 

[Marvin]

There's lots of spergs on ED that have been homeless like that blonde dollfucker (I forget what his name is) and that furry who drew the anime character with the bandana, etc. Just like Chris their situation was entirely avoidable, but unlike Chris they also don't have insurance and neighbours (who DID let them stay for a bit) and insurance-paid hotel stays, and a church. Does every sperg/autist/freakshow on ED or 4chan or wherever get a collection dish now?

If someone wants to, yeah.

It's really quite hypocritical, this is the same community who would be laughing at him about to go to jail for his own actions which had nothing to do with us. I didn't see a drive to help pay his legal fees when he could have quite possibly landed in jail which could have literally killed him or done far worse psych damage than losing his house.

It's not hypocritical. Someone got harmed, so, I'm like... eh, whatever, let Chris have fun in jail. Plus they were paying their legal fees just fine.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

There's lots of spergs on ED that have been homeless like that blonde dollfucker (I forget what his name is) and that furry who drew the anime character with the bandana, etc. Just like Chris their situation was entirely avoidable, but unlike Chris they also don't have insurance and neighbours (who DID let them stay for a bit) and insurance-paid hotel stays, and a church. Does every sperg/autist/freakshow on ED or 4chan or wherever get a collection dish now?

It's really quite hypocritical, this is the same community who would be laughing at him about to go to jail for his own actions which had nothing to do with us. I didn't see a drive to help pay his legal fees when he could have quite possibly landed in jail which could have literally killed him or done far worse psych damage than losing his house.

If you break the law, you deserve to go to jail. That's kind of what makes it "the law".

No one deserves to have their house burned down.

 

[mrwhopee]

There's lots of spergs on ED that have been homeless like that blonde dollfucker (I forget what his name is) and that furry who drew the anime character with the bandana, etc. Just like Chris their situation was entirely avoidable, but unlike Chris they also don't have insurance and neighbours (who DID let them stay for a bit) and insurance-paid hotel stays, and a church. Does every sperg/autist/freakshow on ED or 4chan or wherever get a collection dish now?

It's really quite hypocritical, this is the same community who would be laughing at him about to go to jail for his own actions which had nothing to do with us. I didn't see a drive to help pay his legal fees when he could have quite possibly landed in jail which could have literally killed him or done far worse psych damage than losing his house.

If you break the law, you deserve to go to jail. That's kind of what makes it "the law".

No one deserves to have their house burned down.

Exactly nobody deserves to have their house burned down which is why you have insurance, which is exactly what they have, but all these feel-good donators didn't even wait to see how much would even be covered, everyone just leaped to conclusions and assumed a hoard = no coverage when that's highly unlikely.

Again I'm not a-logging by saying lets bring him more scorn and break into 14 BLC to steal stuff or whatever, I'm just saying what's wrong with him not getting special treatment like he has his whole life?

 

[Smutley]

There's lots of spergs on ED that have been homeless like that blonde dollfucker (I forget what his name is) and that furry who drew the anime character with the bandana, etc. Just like Chris their situation was entirely avoidable, but unlike Chris they also don't have insurance and neighbours (who DID let them stay for a bit) and insurance-paid hotel stays, and a church. Does every sperg/autist/freakshow on ED or 4chan or wherever get a collection dish now?

It's really quite hypocritical, this is the same community who would be laughing at him about to go to jail for his own actions which had nothing to do with us. I didn't see a drive to help pay his legal fees when he could have quite possibly landed in jail which could have literally killed him or done far worse psych damage than losing his house.

If you break the law, you deserve to go to jail. That's kind of what makes it "the law".

No one deserves to have their house burned down.

Exactly nobody deserves to have their house burned down which is why you have insurance, which is exactly what they have, but all these feel-good donators didn't even wait to see how much would even be covered, everyone just leaped to conclusions and assumed a hoard = no coverage when that's highly unlikely.

Again I'm not a-logging by saying lets bring him more scorn and break into 14 BLC to steal stuff or whatever, I'm just saying what's wrong with him not getting special treatment like he has his whole life?

It's apparent that nothing is going to change your mind on Chris getting assistance when "other people" don't get it. And that's totally fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the reasons people have donated are many and varied. It's a bit rude, and narcissistic, to not extend that outwards and believe that other people may actually do things that you don't agree with for reasons that are equally right.

 

[Marvin]

Hey Marvin, I noticed you didn't weigh in. Do you think Chris deserves donations, given your many years of experience?

Uhh... well, getting your house burned down is pretty shitty, even for Chris. If you want to toss him a few bucks, it's not unreasonable.

 

[mrwhopee]

It's apparent that nothing is going to change your mind on Chris getting assistance when "other people" don't get it. And that's totally fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the reasons people have donated are many and varied. It's a bit rude, and narcissistic, to not extend that outwards and believe that other people may actually do things that you don't agree with for reasons that are equally right.

You didn't answer my question though, what would be wrong with him not getting special treatment for once in his life?

 

[Marvin]

It's apparent that nothing is going to change your mind on Chris getting assistance when "other people" don't get it. And that's totally fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the reasons people have donated are many and varied. It's a bit rude, and narcissistic, to not extend that outwards and believe that other people may actually do things that you don't agree with for reasons that are equally right.

You didn't answer my question though, what would be wrong with him not getting special treatment for once in his life?

There are lots of situations where Chris shouldn't be getting special treatment. This specific one wouldn't be one though. Your house burning down is a special situation and someone in that situation certainly could use some special treatment.

 

[CatParty]

to be honest, haven't chris and barb put themselves in a position to only end up in bad situations?

 

[Coldgrip]

Correct. None of them ever wanted to heed the advice given to any of them through out the years (whether it was parenting advice, information about autism, why you shouldn't be putting you hands on someone who's told you to quit doing that, ect.). Which just goes to show, the only people out to screw over the Chandlers are the Chandlers themselves.

 

[DrChristianTroy]

It's apparent that nothing is going to change your mind on Chris getting assistance when "other people" don't get it. And that's totally fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the reasons people have donated are many and varied. It's a bit rude, and narcissistic, to not extend that outwards and believe that other people may actually do things that you don't agree with for reasons that are equally right.

You didn't answer my question though, what would be wrong with him not getting special treatment for once in his life?

Ummm there are tons of times where he doesn't get special treatment. See his bannings, loss of friends and daily battle with physical health. It isn't like he never suffers consequences for his actions. Should he have been charged more for hitting Snyder? Maybe. But he lucked out that day and continued to exist.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

It's apparent that nothing is going to change your mind on Chris getting assistance when "other people" don't get it. And that's totally fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the reasons people have donated are many and varied. It's a bit rude, and narcissistic, to not extend that outwards and believe that other people may actually do things that you don't agree with for reasons that are equally right.

You didn't answer my question though, what would be wrong with him not getting special treatment for once in his life?

If there's to be a time in his life he doesn't get special treatment, why would this be it? Surely his legal battles, reunions-of-the-damned, or altercations with Manajerks would be better sources of schadenfreude? At least those are scenarios Chris would be more directly responsible for, and less deserving of special treatment.

A house fire is a big deal, it's hard for even well-prepared people to bounce back from that.

 

[Smutley]

It's apparent that nothing is going to change your mind on Chris getting assistance when "other people" don't get it. And that's totally fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the reasons people have donated are many and varied. It's a bit rude, and narcissistic, to not extend that outwards and believe that other people may actually do things that you don't agree with for reasons that are equally right.

You didn't answer my question though, what would be wrong with him not getting special treatment for once in his life?

But I don't need to answer your question. That's the unfortunate thing about charity, there doesn't have to be some black and white reason to do or not do it. Once again, people are charitable for a variety of reasons, none of which matter. What matters is they did help, because they saw someone in need. Do you question why people donate to planned parenthood OR to pro-life groups? What about people that donate to college sports teams from a university they didn't matriculate from? They have no reason to give money to a program that's already full of money from TV deals and advertising, but people do it anyway. It's their money. They earned it. They can spend it how they like, and if they happen to use it to help someone regardless of their shitty attitude, why do you care?

I donated modestly to Chris for my own reasons, and at no point have I tried to step in and fix any of the hundred thousand other social and legal he's done to himself. Did he cause this himself by putting a coffee maker in the bathroom? No. Based on his entire life of being coddled by his parents and refusing to grow up, there is nothing he could have done in the past ten years that would have prevented this. He was already too far gone. He wouldn't hire a contractor to bring the house up to code, he couldn't clean the horde, he can't fend for himself, and he'll never hold a job. If he's ever needed help in his life, it would be now.

I don't know what you actually want. Like I said before, it's cool if you don't agree but don't act like it's some big mystery that people have empathy.

 

[Mrs Paul]

No one expects to have their house burn down (even if their living conditions may have caused the fire to spread more rapidly)*. I don't think it's a question of entitlement to give to someone who just lost their home to a fire. But like I said, I wouldn't give money -- gift cards would make it harder to waste. (And, if he DID waste any donations, then he'd be the one to suffer -- really suffer -- and he'd have only himself to blame).
We call Chris an asshole, because of how selfish he is -- I like to think I'm a better person, one who'd help someone in need. Even if it is Chris. Think about it -- when you give to a charity, do you expect all those people who benefit from it to be saints?

Besides, Chris is a LOLcow...but he's OUR LOLcow.


*As for Chris himself cleaning the hoarde, that's probably Barb's decision. Hoarding is a mental illness, so she'd probably freak out, and physically stop him from doing so. It's pretty depressing. Watch Hoarders sometimes. Yeah Chris was a packrat, but he didn't seem nearly as bad as his mother.

 

[Ouija Board]

I have been mostly lurking and reading this thread and it is interesting to see different stances on this issue.

I personally believe that it's up to the individuals here if they want to donate or not. Some people are just naturally altruistic and want to help someone in their time of need. Yes there is a high chance that Chris will blow the money or whatever but that is a risk that someone takes when donating something, once that money is out of your hands then you have no control over it. We have just legalized panhandling here in my city and I see them on corners begging, holding their signs up and if I can I give them money. I know that there is a chance that some of them will blow it on something like alcohol but there is also a chance that their distress is genuine and that they will use the money to help themselves. Either way, it is a chance that I risk when giving them money and I'd like to think that I am helping them.

I honestly don't know where I was going with this as I have so many thoughts flitting through my head, lol.

 

[Enjoy your spaghetti]

It's up to you. The profound discussions and enlightened debate left a few pages ago. Right before the circle jerk broke out.

(drops mic)

 

[JeffGoldblumIRL]

People with healthy social relationships would get post-disaster gifts from their neighbors and not the Internet. The Chandlers effectively pushed away every neighbor and local friend, therefore we're their neighbors in this situation.

But that's the idea through a rational scope. You're right, Chris will probably think he gets free gifts for tragedies.

There's lots of spergs on ED that have been homeless like that blonde dollfucker (I forget what his name is) and that furry who drew the anime character with the bandana, etc. Just like Chris their situation was entirely avoidable, but unlike Chris they also don't have insurance and neighbours (who DID let them stay for a bit) and insurance-paid hotel stays, and a church. Does every sperg/autist/freakshow on ED or 4chan or wherever get a collection dish now?

It's really quite hypocritical, this is the same community who would be laughing at him about to go to jail for his own actions which had nothing to do with us. I didn't see a drive to help pay his legal fees when he could have quite possibly landed in jail which could have literally killed him or done far worse psych damage than losing his house.

Smutley responded pretty much how I was going to, but since you quoted me specifically I will answer this post as well.

Pardon this, because it is going to sound unintentionaly hilarious, but it helps to view Chris as a type of celebrity or popular personality. He's popular for all the wrong reasons, but despite this he is in the limelight online. People seek Chris for content just like they would a blogger, Let's Player, an artist, etc. Let's use "artist" as an example here. How often do you see people on DeviantArt/FurAffinity/etc post journals asking for monetary help? (It's quite often.)

A person's outreach is directly proportional to how many followers they have, and Chris is up there in terms of the number of people who consume his content. By default when someone of notable status posts a solicitation for handouts they are going to get some regardless of the fact that they may not "deserve" it. Chris is no different. His life has pretty much been a demolition derby of misdemeanors, stalking, grotesque pornography, and indulging in the sins of gluttony, wrath, lust, sloth, envy, pride, and greed in the most basic of terms. Yes, he commits all seven of them.

Despite this, nobody "deserves" to have their house burned down. When something of that magnitude happens -- when the only victim is the person in question -- some people open up to the thought of charity just to help stave off the inevitable. Chris' history and norotiety was temporarily nullified by fundamental compassion. You may or may not agree with that.

 

[Medley]

I keep seeing this "he is a person in need" excuse going around. That is true, but he is in need of cloths, food, shelter ...etc. He will get those from other sources. Any money you give him will go towards video games and other shit which he does not need.

 

[LM 697]

I keep seeing this "he is a person in need" excuse going around. That is true, but he is in need of cloths, food, shelter ...etc. He will get those from other sources. Any money you give him will go towards video games and other shit which he does not need.

He's not getting any money from us.* As far as I know, he's only going to be getting basic supplies and toiletries (like toothpaste and AXE and socks) and stuff so he can get food.

*With the $800+ that was raised, though, some of the remaining money might be sent to Barb or something? I'm not entirely sure, though.