Should Chris receive donations?

[BALLZ-BROKEN]

I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here, and try to justify Barb.

Barb is a hoarder, and she just had her comfortable nest razed and shuffled through. She's hurting, and like any old, sick, and wounded animal, she's just biting and snarling at anyone that comes close to her.

Oh pfft. It's not like we're dealing with some sad old lady who once in a million demonstrates a depressed expression of rage. She does this all the time, even in minor situations. That's why no one gives a shit about Barb here.

I'm not disagreeing with you. We all know Barb is a sick animal in a cage.

What I'm saying is losing her hoard is like sticking a red hot poker in the cage, and then lifting the door.

 

[snowkitten91]

In light of the most recent info released post-fire...

No.

 

[Marvin]

I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here, and try to justify Barb.

Barb is a hoarder, and she just had her comfortable nest razed and shuffled through. She's hurting, and like any old, sick, and wounded animal, she's just biting and snarling at anyone that comes close to her.

Oh pfft. It's not like we're dealing with some sad old lady who once in a million demonstrates a depressed expression of rage. She does this all the time, even in minor situations. That's why no one gives a shit about Barb here.

I'm not disagreeing with you. We all know Barb is a sick animal in a cage.

What I'm saying is losing her hoard is like sticking a red hot poker in the cage, and then lifting the door.

Yeah, but because that's her normal behavior, it's a lot harder (or infeasible, as I'd say) to justify or defend.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Read his walls of text.

No.

 

[Blue Max]

This is a great question, and let's start with the overarching situation before I give my opinion on this.

As a country, the United States has decided that it will provide a scanty minimum level of assistance to those in need. This is a pittance, far below the earning power of someone working at minimum wage but is a frank realization that people aren't going to starve silently.

Giving people bread is cheaper than facing hungry people willing to commit violence for it; and [nearly] anyone who has gone four days without food is going to be desperate for it. This reasoning applies to drinkable water, medical care or basic safety needs. This is why we have a social safety net, and while people with no skills and no ability need to eat something.

This whole system largely emerged in the Great Depression, when the previous model of charitable giving became woefully inadequate to helping desperate people. Its existence may be one the few things that kept the Great Recession from mass social outcry.

Chris and Barb are vicious, pathetic people with serious mental issues, but they have as much call for that minimum aid as anyone else. Far worse people receive government assistance; and I believe that as a democratic nation of the people for the people by the people, the Tugboat should sail.

The Tugboat is institutionalized charity; no American can refuse to pay their taxes and get away with it; nor their social security, nor even sue on how their tax monies are used. All Americans charitably support CWC via this method, and I respect that the alternative is likely worse. Because of the Tugboat, CWC won't starve. He might be uncomfortable, he might not even fulfill his basic desires, but he'll never be cornered into being so desperate that he becomes violent.

Donations are at the discretion of the provider, and I make no judgement about those who enjoy helping someone like CWC--I don't like him, and I wouldn't help him, but I can understand that others might. But I find no joy in helping people who are mean or impolite to others (and I'd given a bitter old woman a dollar--she decided to ask for 10$ immediately afterward. Never again.) Chris will not use the money well, he will not use the money to better himself or to make meaningful improvements to his life. Most Likely:

He probably would by a PS4.
He probably will buy many games for various consoles he already has.
He might buy the services of a Professional Heartsweet.
He might buy Adult Media.
Given enough money, he might even try a legal gambit against trolls of some variety.

So if helping Chris or Barb makes you happy, or if you've got so much money that alternative methods wouldn't make you happy, donate to a most unworthy fellow. But you've already paid your charity to this Lolcow through your taxes; if he wants more he'll figure out a way to get it or he'll go without. That's the reality all of us live by; its certainly fair to him as well. But this is a tonic of reality he's ignored for his entire life; his only chance at a better life is to DO SOMETHING about himself. He's the only one that can make that decision; IMO, coddling Chris teaches him nothing.

 

[DustyR]

In the message posted, Chris said that Barb said SOMEONE stole it. He did not say that she said a FIREMAN stole it. He would be precise in that. It is clear from his message that the fireman idea is his. Now if you are an autistic manchild and your mother presents you with what you assume is a FACT that someone stole the Dali painting and her purse, then you might consider people. A fireman is the most obvious candidate, since they are the only known people to be in there. When Barb says someone stole her purse, that is something Chris is going to accept as a FACT without even thinking.

We do not know what the inside of the house is like. In his message, he writes some furniture can be salvaged, so obviously everything did not burn up. What if the purse is always kept in a certain special place that was NOT burnt, but is no longer there. Did the purse get up and jump into the fire or bury itself in the horde? And something like a Dali art print, I assume would be hanging on a wall. We don't really know what the inside of the house is like in all the areas. Maybe these really are missing and it is plainly obvious. It is more likely the fire or horde took them, but I think it is best to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Chris' comment was inappropriate and offensive, but it is clearly not from Barb, and Chris was presented with information he took as a FACT, and due to his poor thinking he made a jump in logic that most of us would know better not to make. People have done a lot of good in raising money for them, so it is important to consider they are not normal people.

 

[Medley]

This is a great question, and let's start with the overarching situation before I give my opinion on this.

As a country, the United States has decided that it will provide a scanty minimum level of assistance to those in need. This is a pittance, far below the earning power of someone working at minimum wage but is a frank realization that people aren't going to starve silently.

Giving people bread is cheaper than facing hungry people willing to commit violence for it; and [nearly] anyone who has gone four days without food is going to be desperate for it. This reasoning applies to drinkable water, medical care or basic safety needs. This is why we have a social safety net, and while people with no skills and no ability need to eat something.

This whole system largely emerged in the Great Depression, when the previous model of charitable giving became woefully inadequate to helping desperate people. Its existence may be one the few things that kept the Great Recession from mass social outcry.

Chris and Barb are vicious, pathetic people with serious mental issues, but they have as much call for that minimum aid as anyone else. Far worse people receive government assistance; and I believe that as a democratic nation of the people for the people by the people, the Tugboat should sail.

The Tugboat is institutionalized charity; no American can refuse to pay their taxes and get away with it; nor their social security, nor even sue on how their tax monies are used. All Americans charitably support CWC via this method, and I respect that the alternative is likely worse. Because of the Tugboat, CWC won't starve. He might be uncomfortable, he might not even fulfill his basic desires, but he'll never be cornered into being so desperate that he becomes violent.

Donations are at the discretion of the provider, and I make no judgement about those who enjoy helping someone like CWC--I don't like him, and I wouldn't help him, but I can understand that others might. But I find no joy in helping people who are mean or impolite to others (and I'd given a bitter old woman a dollar--she decided to ask for 10$ immediately afterward. Never again.) Chris will not use the money well, he will not use the money to better himself or to make meaningful improvements to his life. Most Likely:

He probably would by a PS4.
He probably will buy many games for various consoles he already has.
He might buy the services of a Professional Heartsweet.
He might buy Adult Media.
Given enough money, he might even try a legal gambit against trolls of some variety.

So if helping Chris or Barb makes you happy, or if you've got so much money that alternative methods wouldn't make you happy, donate to a most unworthy fellow. But you've already paid your charity to this Lolcow through your taxes; if he wants more he'll figure out a way to get it or he'll go without. That's the reality all of us live by; its certainly fair to him as well. But this is a tonic of reality he's ignored for his entire life; his only chance at a better life is to DO SOMETHING about himself. He's the only one that can make that decision; IMO, coddling Chris teaches him nothing.

You hit alot of points I tried to articulate. Chris gets something for doing nothing, he should not get more something for doing more nothing. The whole idea that people deserve something when something bad happens to them is a product of this sue crazy culture we have.

 

[CatParty]

In the message posted, Chris said that Barb said SOMEONE stole it. He did not say that she said a FIREMAN stole it. He would be precise in that. It is clear from his message that the fireman idea is his. Now if you are an autistic manchild and your mother presents you with what you assume is a FACT that someone stole the Dali painting and her purse, then you might consider people. A fireman is the most obvious candidate, since they are the only known people to be in there. When Barb says someone stole her purse, that is something Chris is going to accept as a FACT without even thinking.

We do not know what the inside of the house is like. In his message, he writes some furniture can be salvaged, so obviously everything did not burn up. What if the purse is always kept in a certain special place that was NOT burnt, but is no longer there. Did the purse get up and jump into the fire or bury itself in the horde? And something like a Dali art print, I assume would be hanging on a wall. We don't really know what the inside of the house is like in all the areas. Maybe these really are missing and it is plainly obvious. It is more likely the fire or horde took them, but I think it is best to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Chris' comment was inappropriate and offensive, but it is clearly not from Barb, and Chris was presented with information he took as a FACT, and due to his poor thinking he made a jump in logic that most of us would know better not to make. People have done a lot of good in raising money for them, so it is important to consider they are not normal people.

 

[QI 541]

People have done a lot of good in raising money for them, so it is important to consider they are not normal people.

I don't consider them normal people. I consider them a pair of psychopaths.

 

[garbageraider]

In the message posted, Chris said that Barb said SOMEONE stole it. He did not say that she said a FIREMAN stole it.

No, but that was the obvious implication. "There is at least one greedy firefighter in the group".

It is clear from his message that the fireman idea is his.

How do you know that?

Now if you are an autistic manchild and your mother presents you with what you assume is a FACT that someone stole the Dali painting and her purse, then you might consider people. A fireman is the most obvious candidate, since they are the only known people to be in there. When Barb says someone stole her purse, that is something Chris is going to accept as a FACT without even thinking.

Weren't you arguing a few days ago in a different thread that Chris should be responsible for his mother, and the Horde, and considered an adult in all ways? But now he's "an autistic manchild"?

We do not know what the inside of the house is like. In his message, he writes some furniture can be salvaged, so obviously everything did not burn up. What if the purse is always kept in a certain special place that was NOT burnt, but is no longer there. Did the purse get up and jump into the fire or bury itself in the horde? And something like a Dali art print, I assume would be hanging on a wall. We don't really know what the inside of the house is like in all the areas. Maybe these really are missing and it is plainly obvious. It is more likely the fire or horde took them, but I think it is best to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Chris' comment was inappropriate and offensive, but it is clearly not from Barb, and Chris was presented with information he took as a FACT, and due to his poor thinking he made a jump in logic that most of us would know better not to make. People have done a lot of good in raising money for them, so it is important to consider they are not normal people.

Dusty, I've read many of your posts, and I'm starting to think that posting a response to you may be a violation of Rule 14.

 

[CatParty]

Dusty, I've read many of your posts

I'm so sorry to hear that.

 

[Silver]

words

Please, just stop.

 

[Stuff and Things]

Spoiler

In the message posted, Chris said that Barb said SOMEONE stole it. He did not say that she said a FIREMAN stole it. He would be precise in that. It is clear from his message that the fireman idea is his. Now if you are an autistic manchild and your mother presents you with what you assume is a FACT that someone stole the Dali painting and her purse, then you might consider people. A fireman is the most obvious candidate, since they are the only known people to be in there. When Barb says someone stole her purse, that is something Chris is going to accept as a FACT without even thinking.

We do not know what the inside of the house is like. In his message, he writes some furniture can be salvaged, so obviously everything did not burn up. What if the purse is always kept in a certain special place that was NOT burnt, but is no longer there. Did the purse get up and jump into the fire or bury itself in the horde? And something like a Dali art print, I assume would be hanging on a wall. We don't really know what the inside of the house is like in all the areas. Maybe these really are missing and it is plainly obvious. It is more likely the fire or horde took them, but I think it is best to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Chris' comment was inappropriate and offensive, but it is clearly not from Barb, and Chris was presented with information he took as a FACT, and due to his poor thinking he made a jump in logic that most of us would know better not to make. People have done a lot of good in raising money for them, so it is important to consider they are not normal people.

 

[garbageraider]

Dusty, I've read many of your posts

I'm so sorry to hear that.

Good One CatParty.
Hey Catparty, I try to give everyone consideration, what can I say?

 

[Batman]

Seriously Dusty. If words were bricks, you could build a house with those great walls of text.

 

[garbageraider]

Seriously Dusty. If words were bricks, you could build a house with those great walls of text.

Well. . . . . . . . .

 

[Christ-Chan]

Seriously Dusty. If words were bricks, you could build a house with those great walls of text.

It's a gimmick. He's not a real person. He isn't even putting any effort into pretending to be a real person.

 

[DustyR]

Seriously Dusty. If words were bricks, you could build a house with those great walls of text.

 

[LM 697]

Stop sperging.

 

[DustyR]

Sorry, brother, I responded to your post, but it got chopped down.

To respond again briefly: being an autistic manchild means you don't always think as well as a normal person. It does not give you a get out of jail free card to be absolved of the rather basic responsibilities of caring for an elderly mother (keeping house clean, buying essentials, making sure she is getting proper medical treatment, etc.)