Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

[WelperHelper99]

Child marriage is still legal in the United States, the fuck are you talking about? Its just generally looked down upon. But even today, there's nothing stopping you from marrying a preteen in many states.

Many states have banned it because it's creepy as fuck and WRONG. Legal doesn't equal right. Something you have a hard time getting

It's 62 pages of Kiwis bullying Lolicons, since they need to be bullied way harder on the internet than they currently are.

Dude I know. It's fun seeing the weak arguments and blowing them up.

 

[The Ugly One]

It's 62 pages of Kiwis bullying Lolicons, since they need to be bullied way harder on the internet than they currently are.

I'm not bullying a lolicon. In my mind, I'm bullying a 10,000-year-old demon who is taking on lolicon form.

 

[Summoned Skull]

How the fuck is this thread over 60 pages. One of the biggest threads on this board and it's literally just debating back and forth that drawn children having sex is or isn't pedo shit.

Kiwi farmers man. Autism supreme in this thread.

It continues to get brought back from the dead by drivebys who believe they're saying something original and unique so they can get their gold star for saying the good thing. Every now and then people with no intention of changing their opinion will smack against eachother.

But even by those standards nobody could have predicted the two autistic forces of @SSj_Ness and @The Demon Pimp of Razgriz meeting in the fields of battle. Their slapfight will continue until the heat death of the website, the fate of fictional cartoon children forever undetermined.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Legal doesn't equal right.

I never said it was right. Merely pointed out a fact. You guys seem to have a hard time not reading more into things than what was actually said.

But even by those standards nobody could have predicted the two autistic forces of @SSj_Ness and @The Demon Pimp of Razgriz meeting in the fields of battle. Their slapfight will continue until the heat death of the website, the fate of fictional cartoon children forever undetermined.

Oh no. This slapfight is done. Life's too short and there are not enough hours in the day for this shit.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

So in your eyes, that's still okay?

Did I SAY that? No, I didn't. Merely pointed out that that was the case. Seriously, stop reading shit into comments. Its fucking stupid.

 

[WelperHelper99]

never said it was right. Merely pointed out a fact. You guys seem to have a hard time not reading more into things than what was actually said.

My habibi, you're just wrong. It's a dying practice. Treating child marriage as a legitimate point is stretching it

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

But even by those standards nobody could have predicted the two autistic forces of @SSj_Ness and @The Demon Pimp of Razgriz meeting in the fields of battle. Their slapfight will continue until the heat death of the website, the fate of fictional cartoon children forever undetermined.

This was the killing blow to the opposition, may as well lock the thread now actually:

How many Yugioh video game fans have ZERO interest in real Yugioh cards?

Now, yeah, maybe they don't all actually want to play the real card game, sure. It's more expensive, time consuming, inconvenient, perhaps even embarrassing, etc to play the real game, and those practical reasons are probably why the bulk of gamers who don't play the real games choose digital Yugioh instead.

However, the vast majority would play real Yugioh if they were rich, had unlimited time, could play in private; they'd fly to Epstein Yugioh Island, grab their decks, and blow their Life Points using real cards. That's the undeniable reality, with their practical reasons for abstaining from real Yugioh removed there's no barrier to engaging in their real interests anymore.

I will concede there's possibly a negligible minority who just truly have no interest in playing the actual card game, maybe some minutiae exclusive to the video game experience is somehow integral to their interests for them. Perhaps the UI, music, monster animations, etc which cannot be replicated in real Yugioh are enough to be a dealbreaker on their own. But that doesn't change the fact that the overlap is like 99%.

 

[SwanSwanson]

Guys, chill, nine is short for nine thousand

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

This is a waste of time. Its clear your not actually arguing in good faith and just want to play semantic word games ("Well, hurp a derp, I don't see the Word "real" so how do you know its talking about just real children, hmmmm?" I don't know motherfucker, is it because pedophilic attraction is something diagnosed in people who express attraction to real children?) So continuing to argue this is pointless.

Haha this is one area that I know expressly more than you about. In the numerous psychology classes I took due to my concentration in my undergrad studies. Psychologists DID ascribe pedophilic labels to individuals who drew a fuckton of child porn. People that drew it but never had access to actual photos of child porn (Because photo tech didn't exist widely or at all depending on the era of the book being read). Not all of them expressed desire for actual children (but then aagain, due to social stigma, they COULD be lying just so that they weren't lambasted... but then again, due to your retarded logic, that doesn't mean they're actually interested in children). So yes, they were considered pedophiles despite only investing interest in fictitious depictions of children.

First, you don't speak for all Japanese. Second, if the Japanese people as a whole actually believed that, they would have made it illegal with real child porn. Clearly, they don't. They may expect you to keep it private, but most people want others to keep their porn interests private.

The pedophilic nigger saying that I don't know how to speak Japanese because he has no rational argument against me. Lol kill yourself retard. We know it's wrong but we also know it's just fiction. We aren't going to ban it just because it's fiction. But we are going to shame you because you're a fucking degenerate.

Child porn is CSAM

CSAM covers more than just child porn, you retard.

If you are talking about Chidols (Child idols or young idols), they don't do anything explicitly erotic; its a form of gravure and they mainly pose in swimsuits and uniforms, and never get naked or do anything explicit. Still creepy as fuck, but not child porn, technically.

If I were talking about chidol, I would've fucking said chidol. Address what I was actually talking about, faggot.

Yes, cosplay porn exists. So what?

Ignoring the fact that men will jerk off to real humans dressing up as the object of their fictitious desire. Meaning that their attraction to fictitious characters aren't solidified only in 2d. They want it to be real and will jerk off to real women who dress up as the character they like. Meaning that the same can and does happen with loli character.

If its a Chidol video, its not explicit. If its actual child porn, then its illegal under Japanese law. Either way, that's not really here nor there. Real life pedophiles are a thing, but that has no bearing on lolicon/shotacon itself. Children can be made to dress up in a character from a non-pornographic work, like Sailor Mini-Moon or even Sailor Moon herself, and do pornographic things. Its irrelevant to the point of the thread.

The nigger didn't listen to anything I fucking said about how erotic sexualized images of real children are still allowed in JApan. That, or he's intentionally trying to avoid the topic.

As you said, this was before the ban on child porn. And it was a situation involving real life children. Its not really relevant to this thread.

No nigger, this type of video is STILL LEGAL

That's an assumption you are making. I don't blame for your disgust as Chidols or the things you've seen. But you are taking that disgust with real life exploitation of children and projecting it onto cartoon characters.

wE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT CHIDOLS

I think you need to step back and take a breath for a minute. You are way too emotionally invested in this. Nobody in here expressed personal interest in loli, so there's no need to take things so personally and make this a personal call out. I honestly think you need to step back from the thread and breathe.

Everyone who's talked to you knows that you jerk off to loli/shota. No one who isn't into it would defend it this fervently. Kill yourself, pedophile.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Lol this thread is a pure honeypot.

You can ID the pedos and sick fucks who need their hard drives checked just from the responses.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

how come no one has made a thread like this but for marginally more degenerate fetishes like guro or vore?
the lolifags do at least have one valid point for why loli should not be considered child porn but i can't even imagine what the excuse would be for serial killer type shit like jerking off to disemboweled corpses or being digested alive

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

how come no one has made a thread like this but for marginally more degenerate fetishes like guro or vore?

I'd say that's far more degenerate. I can see people trotting out the same kind of defense though, like the tired old GTA argument. It'd be funny to see people try to defend it if there's ever a thread.

 

[BirdUp]

lolicon and shotacon are fucking nasty but since they don't include actual living children they technically arent CSAM
optimistic but i prefer nonces jerking off to cartoon children than touching minors

 

[Naples1]

But I also recognize that a lot of people enjoy loli and shota without being pedo irl nessecarily

[citation needed]

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

since they don't include actual living children they technically arent CSAM

what about AI-generated images with a realistic look or highly detailed 3D renders? i don't think the "it isn't a real kid" argument has any validity after seeing just how good AI tech has gotten recently

 

[BirdUp]

what about AI-generated images with a realistic look or highly detailed 3D renders? i don't think the "it isn't a real kid" argument has any validity after seeing just how good AI tech has gotten recently

if actual CSAM was used in the training then they need to die

 

[Lightsaber Dildo]

To those who want lolicon art banned, are you willing to go through the trouble of enforcing it?
Would YOU pay someone to try and catch people looking at fictional children, or drawing it?

I understand why people want loli/shota artworks banned. It's repulsive and caters to pedophiles. Thing is, you can't enforce that ban. Not without a ton of vague anti-freespeech shit being put in place.

How are you going to determine in a court of law that someone is guilty of consuming loli/shota porn? Are you going to have """"experts"""" sitting around comparing lolis to real children to try and decide if they are childlike enough to put someone in prison?

I want to keep children safe and keep pedos away from them. I just fail to see how banning loli will end up doing anything but being a waste of time, effort, and resources while just giving authorities precedent to arrest someone on the grounds of something that is effectively a victimless thought crime.

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

if actual CSAM was used in the training then they need to die

i don't give a shit about how it was made, if it looks realistic enough to fool the average person at a quick glance then it also means that the feds who are supposed to deal with child porn now have to waste resources that could have gone into getting rid of authentic child porn

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

You're not jerking off to the fact she's a 3,000 year old goddess. You're jerking off to her childlike body.

Suck-start a shotgun. Now.

 

[BirdUp]

i don't give a shit about how it was made, if it looks realistic enough to fool the average person at a quick glance then it also means that the feds who are supposed to deal with child porn now have to waste resources that could have gone into getting rid of authentic child porn

how do you plan on stopping pedophiles from using their computers to train models off csam
i mean AI porn that is indistinguishable from csam should be illegal but it seems hard to enforce unless you outlaw open-source AI