Should the world censor Lolicon?

[Alcatraz]

I think the cardinal rule should be freedom of speech; but not from consequences, and our right to mock you for it.

And like all good criminals, it's your own dumbass fault you get caught. Out of sight, out of mind, right?
Besides, they're drawings, who gives a hot fuck about what some weirdo gets their rocks off too? Just keep that shit out of the public eye and you'll be fine. There's no shortage of weird porn on the internet.

It's when those same weirdos start involving real people and animals does it become a problem and when you deserve to get your kneecaps inverted.

 

[Lemmingwise]

If you think drawings of anything should be censored, you don't believe in freedom of speech.

The people vs. Larry Flint was wrong. Porn isn't speech.

Disclaimer: I don't believe media, playing games, etc., makes people do bad things. Also, long post, feel free to skip.

That said, media can have some influences. Those with proclivities towards acts of sadism can be attracted to certain themes in media. Similar to how a priest doesn't make one a child molester, it just so happens that it's an attractive position because it brings them closer to potential victims.

IMO there's also a difference between watching regular violence and media with a sexual basis. Media that prompts a strong physical response, like orgasms, can work like (psych 101) pavlovs dog: Dog salvates in presence of food. Person rings bell. Eventually bell prompts response without food present. Human is aroused by imagery, masterbates until orgasm. This is repeated. Now there's an association between that type of imagery, arousal, and getting off.

Fetishes are made all the time. Another example: Chinese foot binding. Started as a foolish fashion trend from a story, continued because it became a widespread fetish. So much so, that it became a necessity for finding a husband. There was nothing about it that could've been argued as being naturally embedded into human sexuality. Rotten, distorted flesh by natural instinct, would in fact be a turn off. Point being; The men weren't "born that way".

There's good influences too. Theories on human empathy increasing (to where we can see brain structure changes from past humans, from growth in that part of the brain), attribute some of it to literature. When literacy became widespread, empathy for others did too. You can see direct correlations between the overnight rise in human rights activism and popular literature depicting sympathetic, relatable characters being read by the greater public. Shawshank redemption was responsible for raised awareness about treatment of prisoners by humanizing them. So media can influence by being inspiring, as an emotional outlet, and put a mirror on our values.

So no, I don't support the idea that lolicon is good for preventing sexual abuse. If anything, it can be attractive to those that already have proclivities towards seeing children as sexual, and worse, if they're getting off to that, training themselves to find the characteristics arousing. While making it illegal is a too complex, society should find ways to shout distasteful depictions down, platforms should be mindful of content, and in no way should people become complacent about the sexualization of children, no matter the form it's presented in.

This post made me think. Can't rate it as such, but thought you should know.

 

[Account]

Sure, right after the world censors hate speech, racism, transphobia, violent video games, and doing anything but being kind.

 

[pleasegoaway]

The people vs. Larry Flint was wrong. Porn isn't speech.

No, of course it isn't literally speech, however it is much the same concept. If there is no victim, and the only thing its done is offend you, that doesn't warrant a worldwide ban, it just means you need to get a thicker hide.

 

[The best and greatest]

I dont think it should be banned. I wouldn't feel the need to complain if it was though.

 

[Lemmingwise]

No, of course it isn't literally speech, however it is much the same concept. If there is no victim, and the only thing its done is offend you, that doesn't warrant a worldwide ban, it just means you need to get a thicker hide.

I'm not being literal. I'm saying the people vs. Larry Flint was wrong in regarding pornography as speech. It reauired that court case, because up to that point, porn wasn't speech.

There is no victim when someone draws furry inflation porn either, but that doesn't mean it should have the same protections as voicing your opinion about say, corona, or what political party should lead.

If it were speech, it should be okay to hang flyers of it in public areas as with other speech. Most people would agree that it's not okay with this. Saying it shouldn't have the same protections, doesn't mean it has to be banned.

Most people in their heart would agree that pornography isn't speech. You're not engaging in an exhange of ideas. You're arousing your body. It is a different thing.

 

[pleasegoaway]

Most people in their heart would agree that pornography isn't speech. You're not engaging in an exhange of ideas. You're arousing your body. It is a different thing.

Then what if its text based? I'm sure that you would agree telling stories is an "exchange of ideas". Plenty of smutty romance novels like 50 Shades of Gray are allowed to be sold in regular, non-adult stores despite being of an inarguably pornographic nature. Does having a visual along with the story suddenly disqualify it?

 

[potato in mah painus]

I shouldn't be surprised that many KF users support thought crimes.

To play devil's advocate, some of the things you see here can easily make one reconsider their stance on freedoms as a absolute. This is by definition, a website that archives the uglier side of said freedoms.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

making drawings illegal is some heavy stuff, ridiculous to enforce too, i am not into that kind of state control and regulation, thats some commie slippery slope.

Sites can already make their own rules and ban that content, most places would not sell those products already, most people pass harsh judgement on lolicon, people who produce it or buy it are not exactly well regarded or endorsed by the mainstream, so leave the fucking government out of it, the remedy is WAY worse than the disease and it will backfire once you make a case for censoring something some retard drew and everyone is ok with that, just imagine the implications when is not just lolicon.

 

[Rungle]

I firmly believe wanting to jack off to anime characters that represent themselves as children is a gateway to pedophilia; how much exposure does a mentally ill individual need to act the same way as in their hentai's eventually.
We have all seen people online (Or some IRL) taking anime too seriously and bringing it to real life.
In my eyes, this is watered down child pornography, and the "it's just a drawing" statement is often used to keep up the disguise.
If you like loli shit, the power to you but consider getting chemically castrated before you start harassing little kids, or you know, hang yourself.

Actually this is probably the easiest standard to enforce out of all of them because it has a clear line on acknowledgement, and the law would be on the actions of the individuals rather than the art itself, which is by far the biggest hangup.

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Look at these MOE blobs. Any single one of these could be classified as a loli. Yet canonically 3 are of age in Japan. 2 are legal in the US. Which one of these can you say with confidence is canonically 9 years old? Which is in her mid 30s? Its impossible and there's no way to do it. How the fuck are you going to argue in a court of law that the Ginger wearing a coat and tie is a child but the blue haired one wearing a coat of tie isn't? It's stupid.

But if people are saying they want to bang the 9 year old. The line has clearly been crossed. And if the art in question says "Let's bang the 9 year old". The line is clearly crossed. But if the art is of this has all these characters in a big gay pillow fight and they all look identical and claim to be 25, you don't have to ban it.

There's a VERY fucking big difference between sexualizing minors and just having children as characters.
There is worse shit out there, and you know that this is not what stirred the whole controversy about children in anime.

 

[Cabelaz]

If you jerk it to little kids in any form you're worse than a nigger but I believe that it's an important outlet for potential pedos so they don't act on their urges

 

[Lemmingwise]

Then what if its text based? I'm sure that you would agree telling stories is an "exchange of ideas". Plenty of smutty romance novels like 50 Shades of Gray are allowed to be sold in regular, non-adult stores despite being of an inarguably pornographic nature. Does having a visual along with the story suddenly disqualify it?

The characters in 50 shades of Gray are adults.

Besides, I'm arguing for the removal of protection, not a complete ban. If people think it is a harmful book for its content (I don't), considering it is obscene material (like all pornographic works) people should be able to protest it.

Yes you run into the trouble where exactly the line is and people will tey to skirt it, like skirting incest with "stepbrother". I think a little mild suppression of pornographic work is healthy for society. Both the current free for all as an all out ban are more unhealthy options, it seems to me.

Certainly when facebook or youtube first started removing bare nipples and such, most people did not think "this is infringement of freedom of speech!",which a considerable people did think with the shadowbanning and banning of a certain wing of politics from them.

People know that smut is its own category. And that is doubly so when the material involves children, fictional or otherwise.

Yes, this puts some classics like Lolita and Traumnovella in hot water. I don't want to ban them. But look what the not banning of smoking did? Just some suppresion of not showing it in commercials, not having product placement in movies and requiring pictures of what happens to your health on the packages.

There is a middleroad between banning and free for all.

Lend me your thoughts on this @Secret Asshole you probably think I'm wrong.

 

[Maurice Caine]

That's basically the entire anime industry you're getting rid of. This shit's going on since the 80's

 

[murdered meat bag]

Actually this is probably the easiest standard to enforce out of all of them because it has a clear line on acknowledgement, and the law would be on the actions of the individuals rather than the art itself, which is by far the biggest hangup.

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Look at these MOE blobs. Any single one of these could be classified as a loli. Yet canonically 3 are of age in Japan. 2 are legal in the US. Which one of these can you say with confidence is canonically 9 years old? Which is in her mid 30s? Its impossible and there's no way to do it. How the fuck are you going to argue in a court of law that the Ginger wearing a coat and tie is a child but the blue haired one wearing a coat of tie isn't? It's stupid.

But if people are saying they want to bang the 9 year old. The line has clearly been crossed. And if the art in question says "Let's bang the 9 year old". The line is clearly crossed. But if the art is of this has all these characters in a big gay pillow fight and they all look identical and claim to be 25, you don't have to ban it.

this is why most anime is a cancer.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

The whole censorship of what is defined in the US as a form of art is complicated. You do really get into slippery slope situations, as much as that is usually a bullshit excuse people pull out.

That said, pornography doesn't work on the psyche in the same way other forms of media does. Violent video games dont cause people to seek out the sensations of violence, and while a lot of people don't act on things they see in porn there is a major uptick in niche and kink communities along with the accessibility of porn on the internet. Obviously I cant prove the causation and correlation here but I think its a pretty valid conclusion that the two are linked. There is also something to be said about normalizing the idea of children as sexual beings and giving people the rope to hang kids with that way.

I'm not pro-censorship so calling for its banning doesn't sit right with me, but at the same time pedophiles aren't being discouraged by this media like people seem to think they are and I genuinely would guess some people who wouldn't of awakened this desire in themselves may of unleashed the beast so to speak.

I dont really know the answer here. I do know however if someone starts defending this shit I make a note to avoid them.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

Being objective; how many people who have turned out to be virulently against Loli ended up owning Child Porn, or being convicted of Child Rape/Molestation? If it does indeed make someone a real pedophile just like how violent video games make you a real murderer, then why can people only ever cite like, 3 examples? I'm genuinely not trying to be partisan here, these are just the facts that I'm aware of. There's statistically more reason to be suspicious of the people who are extremely negative against it than those who aren't.

 

[A Thick Piece of Meat]

Being objective; how many people who have turned out to be virulently against Loli ended up owning Child Porn, or being convicted of Child Rape/Molestation? If it does indeed make someone a real pedophile just like how violent video games make you a real murderer, then why can people only ever cite like, 3 examples? I'm genuinely not trying to be partisan here, these are just the facts that I'm aware of. There's statistically more reason to be suspicious of the people who are extremely negative against it than those who aren't.

in america killing people with realistic 3d video games for entertainment is the accepted norm

people get euphoria 360 no scoping someones head and watching them die

to be against lolicon is to be 90s Nintendo of America with Mortal Kombat

 

[Fields Of Rye]

Being objective; how many people who have turned out to be virulently against Loli ended up owning Child Porn, or being convicted of Child Rape/Molestation? If it does indeed make someone a real pedophile just like how violent video games make you a real murderer, then why can people only ever cite like, 3 examples? I'm genuinely not trying to be partisan here, these are just the facts that I'm aware of. There's statistically more reason to be suspicious of the people who are extremely negative against it than those who aren't.

Probably because of a few reasons like guilty minds or overcompensating.

But I also basically trust nothing that I hear from lolicons. Again, every interaction with these people is never with just one of them. On every discord, forum, whatever that allows them, they always come in waves and every time without fail they accuse someone else of being pedophiles. And I don't mean the people that are saying "I don't think there's a way to do this without curtailing free speech", I mean the "lemme grab my /pol infographic about middle schooler vaginal depth" crowd. I keep hearing about these statistics but apart from a few lefties bitching about anime tiddies and being diddlers I don't hear anything else.

I have spent enough time in the Skyrim and Sims thread/modding scene to see how these communities fester. Like the fact the Sims has, or had a website more than capable of file sharing, hosted in some random country, where you could download infant (not just loli) sex animations, send PMs, and had thousands of forum threads locked from viewing without being a longtime member and having a paywall, all while advertising VPNs outside of EU and NATO surveillance laws. That is a Soviet Atlas of red flags. And I find it really hard to trust the average user of the site over your average anti lolicon sperg.

 

[FEETLOAF]

You will never be the little girl.

 

[A Thick Piece of Meat]

You will never be the little girl.

with stem cell research itll be possible