Should We Crash China's Economy? - With No GloboHomo Survivors

[Idiotron]

From what I understand, the Chinese allow their government to do what it wants because of the economic boom.
Chinese baby boomers and gen x still remember times when there was no money anywhere and they want their kids to have better lives than they did, even at the cost of their freedom.
If the economy falls, the support for the party will disappear and a civil war will be on the horizon.
Imagine the yellow vest riots but with 300 million rioters.

What would be the global consequence of that? Who knows but it would be very entertaining.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

China actively props up the Dollar to keep it's own internal currency undervalued in order to be able to undercut every other country for manufacturing. If you took a bat to China's economy, then the US and world economy would instantly shit the bed because the Chinese wouldn't be stabilizing the dollar anymore.

 

[FA 855]

Do they have any to steal?

To my knowledge not yet, but they are getting quite far with AI technologies and cloning, anything productive that comes of that, we should steal.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

You misunderstand. China has a POTENTIAL economy (I.E: There are huge profits to be made in the future), they have the economy of a paper tiger right now. They have 5x the population and less than have the GDP. They might have large numbers, but they can't bring those numbers to bear.

Also a lot of their GDP is tied up in real estate scams

 

[Comicsgeist]

People forget the 'historical context' around how this all came about.
The West is largely responsible for China's rise, it's about time it got busy with it's fall.
China rose in the wake of all that post 1989 optimism that came with the fall of the Berlin Wall ,which Francis Fukuyama described in his infamous article 'The End of History'.

Fukuyama argued that with the imminent collapse of the Soviet Union, the last ideological alternative to liberalism had been eliminated. Fascism had been killed off in the Second World War, aparthied in S.A had been dismantled and now Communism was imploding. States like China, that called themselves Communist, were seeing political and economic reforms that were 'inevitably' heading in the direction of a liberal order.
History had reached it's goal and representative government, free markets, and consumerist culture would dominate the world!
Simply put, there was a lot of sunny optimism and utopian thinking going on in those heady days and a rather niave belief emerged that capitalism and democracy would trump ideology. Once there was a McDonald's in Red Square and Tiananmen square all would be right with the world and the attitude was that all China needed to become part of this liberal new world order ....was access to the international market.

Well those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
History didn't stop in the easy living 90's-2000's, instead the party did.
9/11 proved once and for that the West's sunny optimism was about to face some harsh realities and ideology might just be a tougher nut to crack then we thought.
Now people are beginning to question the value of rampant globalism and recognize it as the threat to democracy that it really is.
If the fightback is to start anywhere, it must start where it began. By kicking the corporate interests whose greed sold our manufacturing sectors to China in exchange for cheap DVD players and iPhones for all (and a healthy profit for them of course), thus making them a global economic superpower.
It's no coincidence that Trump and Brexit happened all at once. Economic nationalism is popular right now beause it's a manefestion of the unease people are feeling about how much control over our lives we have sold to globalist interests and the shady nations they do business in.

 

[JosephStalin]

Folks, China has problems we should be very glad not to have. Have listed all of them in previous posts here.

China's getting old before it is getting rich. The "one-child policy" is biting China with fangs or steel. The country is by no means evenly developed. Environmental problems due to rapid industrialization. Huge shortage of marriageable women in the 20-40 year age group. Lots of men who will never be able to find a wife. Other countries starting to supplant China as the low-cost producer.

Here's the biggest problem, as I see it. As people's economic situations improve, the more they want their political situation to improve. South Korea and Taiwan made the difficult, and not entirely bloodless, transition from authoritarian states to democracies. The Xi regime is utterly terrified of that happening. They are terrified of the growing Muslim problem in their west. They are scared shitless over what's been happening in Hong Kong. This is a regime that expends enormous amounts of resources (people, equipment, money) on suppressing dissent and dissenters. And I'd go so far as to say the Xi regime is no monolith. Someone inside the regime, maybe even Xi himself, knows of all these problems and more.

What to do? I don't believe the Xi regime really knows for sure. For now, they can get by doing what they are doing to their Muslims. Far as various social media goes, for every measure there's a countermeasure, and people are endlessly inventive. Looking at Hong Kong, they have no good choices as they see them, only bad and worse.

President Trump is doing the right thing re trade with China. Finally have a President who will stand up to those people. The next recession is key, I believe. We will sneeze and get a cold. China may start off with pneumonia. Should massive unemployment occur, there is likely to be widespread rioting. China doesn't have unemployment insurance like we do in the USA.

On the military side, China's got some new ships, new planes, lots of troops and tanks. China's last real combat experience was forty years ago. And I don't believe they have any combined-arms combat experience at all. With a deficient power-projection capability, unless they can drive or march across the border, the PLA's gonna have to swim.

Bottom line here...believe China is more a house of cards than many think. Anything can happen there, and when it does it can happen very quickly. You could be shocked, but don't be surprised at anything that happens re China.

Also a lot of their GDP is tied up in real estate scams

Yup, got a real estate bubble, a credit bubble, and a debt bubble. Just a matter of when, not if, any or all these bubbles burst.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

Calling the Chinese Communist progressives "reactionary" is insane and an insult to reactionaries like monarchists, who hate them for them obvious reasons. China is the inevitable result of left-wing politics- it is the opposite of a reactionary state. That said:

Tank their economy. We can take the hit.

 

[Slowpoke Sonic]

The Chinese are almost like an Asian version of stereotypical Jews, since they are technically capitalist and how they make and control almost every media. The problem is that China is trying to become a Communist superpower, though they have a developed economy and also pretty corrupt.

If we try to destroy it’s economy, the entire country and the American companies they control will be even more fucked than usual. The thing with capitalism is that if it fails in a country, it will fall into literal anarchy.

It’s also pretty ironic that China has a communist political party, yet they’re so close to becoming a capitalist nation. Almost every company from that country are pretty successful (i.e Tencent, Lenovo, ByteDance). Then again, if we crash their economy there won’t be any more shit from them.

 

[Scandinadian Bacon]

Absolutely yes. The sooner the better. The sooner we do it the less painful it will be.

Crash China 2019.

 

[JosephStalin]

Calling the Chinese Communist progressives "reactionary" is insane and an insult to reactionaries like monarchists, who hate them for them obvious reasons. China is the inevitable result of left-wing politics- it is the opposite of a reactionary state. That said:

Tank their economy. We can take the hit.

Truth is, even though the Xi regime is ostensibly Communist, they have turned into a nationalist authoritarian state. They know their ideology is not exportable. And China relies a good deal on exports. Could be said that China of the 2010's-2020's is the Japan of the 1980's-1990's, and we all know what happened with Japan.

 

[Idiotron]

Do they have any to steal?

They don't but Hong Kong does so we need to buy everything from HK studios before they get completely swallowed by the mainland.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

Just turn Mao Zedong's corpse into a zombie and let him do the rest.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

If you are going to do it, you better do it soon; The West is running out of time for this.

I also think there is a high likelyhood this sort of thinking could lead to a more general kind of conflict, it reminds me of the sort of desperate mentality before WW1 (Russia has to be taken out NOW, if we don't invade them in the next 5 years our military capabilties will not be strong enough to stop them); Not that I don't understand where you all are coming from, doing nothing is a poison in of itself.

 

[Niggernerd]

should of just let Japan conquer China during the Second sino-japanese war.

 

[Clop]

A 5% ownership in Blizzard was enough to severely restrict speech and withdraw an award.

I really have to disagree with this statement. It's not any amount of ownership that is making Blizzard shrivel, it's that China is Blizzard's main market. Video game market economy 101: China loves microtransactions and it has whales by the absolute fuckton. It is a dream marketplace for a piecemeal shitty company like Activision-Blizzy to milk on. The rest of the free world combined can suck dick in their bank books, they're more than happy to sacrifice the rest of the market if they can sell solely to China. Pissing off the Chinese government would mean losing rights to selling their shit to the Chinese playerbase so they will always come first.

Sorry, slightly rant-y over something minor. It's just a detail that really gets in my craw. Even if there was 0% ownership, Blizzard would still bend over.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

Even if you want to just punish the government, you end up punishing the common people, as well. If the US wants to wage economic warfare, they had better think hard about how they can convince the Chinese people that they aren't just trying to destroy them, because the government will certainly be blasting the opposite at full volume.

Do the Chinese still give any credence to the "Mandate of Heaven" philosophy?

 

[I Love Beef]

Even if you want to just punish the government, you end up punishing the common people, as well. If the US wants to wage economic warfare, they had better think hard about how they can convince the Chinese people that they aren't just trying to destroy them, because the government will certainly be blasting the opposite at full volume.

Do the Chinese still give any credence to the "Mandate of Heaven" philosophy?

No, they don't. They threw out their emperor system ages ago.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

I really have to disagree with this statement. It's not any amount of ownership that is making Blizzard shrivel, it's that China is Blizzard's main market. Video game market economy 101: China loves microtransactions and it has whales by the absolute fuckton. It is a dream marketplace for a piecemeal shitty company like Activision-Blizzy to tard cum on. The rest of the free world combined can suck dick in their bank books, they're more than happy to sacrifice the rest of the market if they can sell solely to China. Pissing off the Chinese government would mean losing rights to selling their shit to the Chinese playerbase so they will always come first.

Sorry, slightly rant-y over something minor. It's just a detail that really gets in my craw. Even if there was 0% ownership, Blizzard would still bend over.

Just let Mao steal all food in exchange for crap in vidyagames.

 

[GrandmotherDeathsed]

You misunderstand. China has a POTENTIAL economy (I.E: There are huge profits to be made in the future), they have the economy of a paper tiger right now. They have 5x the population and less than have the GDP. They might have large numbers, but they can't bring those numbers to bear.

Yeah their economy can't fuck us all right back, they're what harvey said. A paper tiger. Huge numbers don't mean huge success

 

[Crabbo]

I think we should crash it.
Heading over to delete their system 32 now.