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Peep Plops said:
I am tired of discourse around every new game immediately devolving into /v/ tier slop slop slop
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Dog. it's fucking neobards.
you know? the Re-verse people?
I don't need to even fucking LOOK at it to know whatever they touch is going to be ass.

Peep Plops said:
sucks massive ass
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neobards.
accept no substitute for shitty ass games.
 
Pumpkin_Spice_Bastard said:
I just find it frustrating that everyone is glazing 2 so much. 2 is great, don't get me wrong, but in my opinion 3 is the best and the ending song is kino.
3 hits harder, 3 has better characters, 3 has better enemy variety and levels. 3 is more scary imo, the environment just feels a lot more hostile and insane. And I love the cult stuff from 1 being expanded on.
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I don't know - Silent Hill 3 is great mostly because of its back half. The shopping mall is OK, the subway and gray tunnels are a subway and grey tunnels, then there's the office building. Once you get home it starts hitting hard, but the first parts were always a slog to me. SH3's character development is stronger than 2's, but those characters don't really start paying off until late in the game. SH2's environment was more focused on the confusion/grief/guilt than horror, so SH3 definitely wins if horror is what you're after; SH3's hospital is absolutely wild even considering it's a recycled environment.

Silent Hill 2's moments are more consistent throughout the game - your first meeting with Angela or Eddie are more memorable than your first meetings with Douglas or Claudia or Vincent. Pyramid Head's first impression is stronger than Valtiel's, and running into your wife's doppelganger is more interesting then coming home to find your dad dead. There's always this mix of horror and curiosity that pulls you forward in SH2 (and SH1). I think that's greatly diminished in SH3 - that it's a continuation and resolution of the Cult story from 1 means that the mystery is largely missing, which allowed/forced them to craft better characters since they couldn't/didn't have to rely as much on reveals for impact.

Edit to add: Silent Hill 2's twist is also just genuinely hard to match. Silent Hill 3 wisely doesn't even try - instead of having peak story moments focuses on fleshing out its characters and making them memorable.
 
None of the reviewers/general audiences can tell a bad game apart from a good one as long as the production value is up to snuff. In fact it's been proven that production value is the leading factor in getting a good review. Silent Hill f is a very pretty game most of the time therefore 9 out of 10.
 
Nameless One said:
The only thing they really got wrong was just their theory that Alessa's burning was a tragic accident, because really why the fuck would Dahlia care about that knowing how she treats Alessa?
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Because her daughter can't birth the god in that condition and the game outright tells you it was an accident. (assuming you play any version besides the North American release)

At best you can say it was self inflicted by Alessa sabotoging the boiler but the fact that the game explains the phenomenon is related to stress implies it happened accidentally as a by-product of Alessa panicking.
 
Scarthew said:
Because her daughter can't birth the god in that condition and the game outright tells you it was an accident. (assuming you play any version besides the North American release)

At best you can say it was self inflicted by Alessa sabotoging the boiler but the fact that the game explains the phenomenon is related to stress implies it happened accidentally as a by-product of Alessa panicking.
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Dahlia still created these stressful conditions on top of her general torments like bullying.
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Kaufmann and Dahlia are more monstrous than the monsters from Alessa's nightmare.

Dahlia only cares about the vessel, not so much her daughter beyond bragging rights that she'll birth their god. She didn't care enough to ease her endless suffering. Alessa cared more for her mother than her mother cared for her. Why else would they show the flashback where Alessa begs her mom to not go through with the ritual near the end?

My criticism is Twin Perfect based their "accident" theory on the opening FMVs which were really just there for artistic purposes than narrative ones. While it may be an accident it certainly wasn't as innocent as they presume. It came from something evil. Why else would she be draped in bandages, blood seeping through constantly? It was a botched pagan ritual most likely.
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The reoccuring imagery of puzzles, often paintings you burn isn't just a coincidence. And I don't think it's just symbolic of her just being burned in the same way enemies are, it's all connected to the cult. The cult is at least 80% Pagan in influence. Pagans and children don't really go together well if you know history.

the game explains the phenomenon is related to stress implies it happened accidentally as a by-product of Alessa panicking.
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"hmm today I'm going to torment a psychic child with demonic rituals in a spiritual town, what can go wrong?" "Let's also let her know she will carry the burden of being the mother of God too." -the cult before SH1

I don't even think I need to explain that SILENT HILL happened because of the cult. Pagans are that bad. They were involved in the White Claudia incident, murdered officers who discovered their conspiracy, drugged innocents, tortured a psychic child which resulted in the nightmare mixing with whatever spiritual power the town already had, or in SH1-only terms reality being invaded by her nightmare made manifest. They still pursued Cheryl long after SH1's events and killed Harry to lure her to her "destiny". If Alessa was raised by someone who loved her she would have never been like this and her nightmare and stress would have been nothing. And that's also a contrast between her and Heather (Cheryl) when she reaches the same age Alessa was.
 
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If Redgrave can return for Bloodborne's 10th anniversary after almost 10 years of inactivity, then Fungo can too. Twin Perfect also were looking into coming back. I hope they do. I'd love more high-ish production Silent Hill vids.

Until then;
Objectively the best/only good Lore videos. Straight from the developers regarding the trilogy.

I wish those faggy fancy video essayists with decent editing skills would just do a word-for-word reading of these passages in the setup of an examination/summary of the series.

Something I look forward to in a SH3 remake if Masahiro Ito is involved again (and hopefully for sh1 remake too, I think the sh2 remake designs are pretty good but not as good as the original) is hopefully them restoring the Subway otherworld segment. It was planned for the game and even made it to promo art but was cut for time constraints iirc.
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And the twin Closer design, maybe a late game variant. It's 100% happening. He doesn't draw serious detailed Silent Hill "concepts" randomly, he draws cartoonish sketches for holidays and jokes.
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Pumpkin_Spice_Bastard said:
Too bad TwinPerfect went full retard and imploded, we could have had a fun video...
Women ruin everything, huh?
Jk jk.
I still miss my ex. Maybe I should look for her in a misty Japanese village
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Can you give the TL:DR on Twin Perfect? I had no idea what happened to them, didn't know they had an implosion or something.
 
Armor King said:
Can you give the TL:DR on Twin Perfect? I had no idea what happened to them, didn't know they had an implosion or something.
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IIRC the dude in glasses gets a gf, fungo and glasses dude start to fall out because of some internal drama that was not disclosed iirc, they fall out and both parties stop making content. People thought fungo killed himself but a close friend of his said that he is fine, just off the net now.
 
Nameless One said:
Their lore and scripture may be but their rituals are explicity derived from Pagans. Everything about them is almost Pagan in all but name.

The founding cult was pagan. This is why in 2 they reveal Jennifer Caroll who was persecuted by the Christians.
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And then the current cult that persecuted the pagans was Judaeo-Christian.
So the "gods" take on the form that the ones worshiping imagine them to be.
 
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Pumpkin_Spice_Bastard said:
Jewish rituals are fucked up though
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Jewish rituals overlap or share origina with Pagan rituals (Red Heifer Ash ritual).

Kikes see more than one God, other DEITIES in their texts. They are monotheist but they believe in more than just God/higher power. It's a funny contradiction the more you look into them. Too fucking complicated and evil looking.

Two beings merged into God. Yahweh and Eloheim. Sounds like a bunch of glorified Pagan and occult mumbo jumbo.

Christianity has the Father, Son and Holy Spirit but they are the same core being throughout in a way like Alessa/Cheryl/Heather.
 
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Nameless One said:
Jewish rituals overlap or share origina with Pagan rituals (Red Heifer Ash ritual).

Kikes see more than one God, other DEITIES in their texts. They are monotheist but they believe in more than just God/higher power. It's a funny contradiction the more you look into them. Too fucking complicated and evil looking.

Two beings merged into God.
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This is what I was getting at. Paganism is more like Shintoism. Judaism is like taking the most evil Pagan gods and worshiping those. Funny how THAT created Christianity.
 
Pumpkin_Spice_Bastard said:
This is what I was getting at. Paganism is more like Shintoism. Judaism is like taking the most evil Pagan gods and worshiping those. Funny how THAT created Christianity.
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It's what "scholars" say, who spend more time researching scientifically for religions rather than practicing their beliefs. The reality is we will never know unless we unearth enough artifacts which is still an assumption.

They believed Atlantis was a myth but we have a lot of evidence and clues from unearthed art to support it down to red, black and white bricks. The emergence of Iceland's volcanic island also opens up the possibility. It may have simply been another name in a long game of telephone between the Egyptians and seafarers who told them of the land.

Unlike cities, religions have rich and complicated history that will be lost to time. Only figures like Jesus and witnesses, prophets can pass it down and be immortalized.
 
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Pumpkin_Spice_Bastard said:
And then the current cult that persecuted the pagans was Judaeo-Christian.
So the "gods" take on the form that the ones worshiping imagine them to be.
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Huh? Where on earth are you getting this from? Nameless One is correct.

Silent Hill 2 then 3 makes what happened pretty clear. The cult is pagan, but then some Christians converted into it and more or less renamed shit. It's still fundamentally pagan.
 
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X Prime said:
Huh? Where on earth are you getting this from? Nameless One is correct.

Silent Hill 2 then 3 makes what happened pretty clear. The cult is pagan, but then some Christians converted into it and more or less renamed shit. It's still fundamentally pagan.
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They think the movie is canon.
 
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