SJW Art and Extremes

[Steamboat_Bill]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent most of these artists who do this forced diversity race bend shit white?

I've seen some nice race bends and don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the concept, however a lot of the time it just feels like a patronizing, forced attempt at diversity just so people can show off how progressive they are. Like the white kids who brag about having black friends.

So like most attempts at diversity ever since people took notice of it?

 

[fishercat]

I've been on a road trip, and now I have a nasty case of sunburn on my nose thanks to me being as white as a sheet and neglecting to bring sunscreen. I still don't look nearly as bad as the examples of Tumblr Nose in this thread. Are they physically incapable of drawing noses that don't make it look like their character has the flu?

 

[AnOminous]

Like the white kids who brag about having black friends.

It used to be that such people would sometimes actually have a black friend. Now, it's apparently good enough to have an imaginary black friend or a black headmate or a black genderbent OC of a children's show character.

 

[Hummingbird]

So like most attempts at diversity ever since people took notice of it?

Diverse characters can be great when you know the creative team wanted to make this character instead of just throwing him/her in. Take Garret from Extreme GhostBusters. The writers thought it would be a fun challenge to write a disabled character (paraplegic) and as a result, they had a character with a personality, flaws and times where he needed help since there were situations where he couldn't get out in time.

Speaking of art, I came across this article were a women was ranting about how body-negative and offensive the character designs in Inside-Out were. Thankfully, the commenters called her out and we get this beautiful response.

Spoiler: It's a thing of beauty.

Dear Joni,

I chose to spend the time necessary to read your reactionary condemnation of a film that you have resolved never to bother seeing, before announcing my assessment of it. I am very glad that I did.

Blimey... I have read some prejudiced rubbish in my time, but you have really set a whole new standard!

As a teacher in literature and screen arts, and as a research specialist in critical approaches, I am entirely in favor of anyone being allowed the space to construct and present a considered perspective, and then even-handedly see how it fares in the wild. This is how people achieve intellectual development, and why we have professional standards in education.

Some of my most enjoyable hours have been spent helping students learn how to accumulate real evidence for calm and useful points of view, and then seeing how several such views might compete or complement each other. Over time, these students perfect skills of imagining and valuing a range of possible perspectives. That is where scholarship of any kind starts to contribute to meaningful citizenship.

I am also in favor of people being allowed to splatter ill-thought-out yammerings such as your piece into the public domain. I agree with John Stuart Mill, who argues persuasively (in his reflections upon freedom of expression) that such an event is an opportunity not only for the blathering nincompoop to be assisted in her thinking, but also for the rest of society to examine its existing views carefully, and to check whether the recent drivel happens to raise anything new that should be considered.

I thank you for this 'article', if I may thus dignify it, as an example for class discussion. Years of students will have the opportunity to discuss the insultingly patronizing blabberings of an ogre concerned above all to be considered =right=, and spewing it out too explosively to do readers the honor of reasonable grammar or spelling. Apparently without the faintest glimmer of irony, you have delivered a superb demonstration of why education's core mission is to induct impressionable young people into judicious and responsible thinking.

In the process, incidentally, you have persuaded me that this film's iconography sounds very interesting, and that its content (especially given Pixar's totally exemplary record -- do you know =anything= about film?!?!) might well be rather valuable. I cannot wait to see it, when I get the chance, and to discuss it with anyone else who has also bothered to do so. Should you ever wish to discuss the film itself, therefore, I for one will actually have seen the blessed thing, and will be in a position to offer a balanced assessment of it. If you just want to continue spraying moronically right-on prejudices around, however, then please do not waste even more of my time.

While we are at it, please also do not waste anyone else's time by scribbling that kind of cretinous nonsense again. Owning a keyboard does not make you a columnist. One example of your dangerous jingoism is useful. More would just look like self-importance.

And for heaven's sake, please do not go anywhere near a classroom, ever. There is nothing we can do to protect your own children from your ignorant rabble-rousing ('like, for real' <<shudder>>), but we can respectfully beg you to stay away from anyone else's. Always. Please.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Diverse characters can be great when you know the creative team wanted to make this character instead of just throwing him/her in. Take Garret from Extreme GhostBusters. The writers thought it would be a fun challenge to write a disabled character (paraplegic) and as a result, they had a character with a personality, flaws and times where he needed help since there were situations where he couldn't get out in time.

The problem for SJWs is that they wanted to write a character. A character who couldn't be defined by race or gender alone. All SJWs want is characters whose sole characteristic is what their race or gender is. Anything more than that is too hard for them to take.

 

[c-no]

The problem for SJWs is that they wanted to write a character. A character who couldn't be defined by race or gender alone. All SJWs want is characters whose sole characteristic is what their race or gender is. Anything more than that is too hard for them to take.

Not only that, if they gave their character a flaw, they'd have to be accused of racism, sexism, homophobia, or transphobia because character A is a lesbian that apparently has to be a pervert in a bad way or because character b is a non-white that does bad things, even if said character had to do them for reasons even that character despises.

 

[RepQuest]

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this already but a weird trend with art on tumblr is where artists like to draw characters established as caucasian with some darker skin tone to make them part of a minority group for no reason at all. It really bothers me, its off model and they're just having minorities just for the sake of having minorities.

Talk about white erasure.

 

[A.Shitposter]

The problem for SJWs is that they wanted to write a character. A character who couldn't be defined by race or gender alone. All SJWs want is characters whose sole characteristic is what their race or gender is. Anything more than that is too hard for them to take.

I had a friend who was one hundred percent convinced that a character in The Walking Dead videogame was gay and non-white and that was all she talked about, she had full blown tumblr arguments with people over his sexuality and the races of all the characters.

Spoiler

This one was special though, because she could put all her emotional baggage and depression/anxiety onto him because she thought he was cute.

Of course, she was one of the many SJW people constantly bitching and moaning that there should be more lgbt/trans/mentally ill characters in a series where people fucking die, and man, was there even more crying when the gay couple did die.

I feel bad for making a post with no art because she only does roleplaying blogs, but she does worship a Mexican artist, his name is odlaws if you want to look him up.

Spoiler: He can paint digitally but most of his stuff has that tumblr 'ugly on purpose' shit going on.

This one was a walking dead commission that someone wanted from him but I thought the context behind it would be amusing. That dude is being fed his own legs.

 

[Android raptor]

Diverse characters can be great when you know the creative team wanted to make this character instead of just throwing him/her in. Take Garret from Extreme GhostBusters. The writers thought it would be a fun challenge to write a disabled character (paraplegic) and as a result, they had a character with a personality, flaws and times where he needed help since there were situations where he couldn't get out in time.

Speaking of art, I came across this article were a women was ranting about how body-negative and offensive the character designs in Inside-Out were. Thankfully, the commenters called her out and we get this beautiful response.

Spoiler: It's a thing of beauty.

Dear Joni,

I chose to spend the time necessary to read your reactionary condemnation of a film that you have resolved never to bother seeing, before announcing my assessment of it. I am very glad that I did.

Blimey... I have read some prejudiced rubbish in my time, but you have really set a whole new standard!

As a teacher in literature and screen arts, and as a research specialist in critical approaches, I am entirely in favor of anyone being allowed the space to construct and present a considered perspective, and then even-handedly see how it fares in the wild. This is how people achieve intellectual development, and why we have professional standards in education.

Some of my most enjoyable hours have been spent helping students learn how to accumulate real evidence for calm and useful points of view, and then seeing how several such views might compete or complement each other. Over time, these students perfect skills of imagining and valuing a range of possible perspectives. That is where scholarship of any kind starts to contribute to meaningful citizenship.

I am also in favor of people being allowed to splatter ill-thought-out yammerings such as your piece into the public domain. I agree with John Stuart Mill, who argues persuasively (in his reflections upon freedom of expression) that such an event is an opportunity not only for the blathering nincompoop to be assisted in her thinking, but also for the rest of society to examine its existing views carefully, and to check whether the recent drivel happens to raise anything new that should be considered.

I thank you for this 'article', if I may thus dignify it, as an example for class discussion. Years of students will have the opportunity to discuss the insultingly patronizing blabberings of an ogre concerned above all to be considered =right=, and spewing it out too explosively to do readers the honor of reasonable grammar or spelling. Apparently without the faintest glimmer of irony, you have delivered a superb demonstration of why education's core mission is to induct impressionable young people into judicious and responsible thinking.

In the process, incidentally, you have persuaded me that this film's iconography sounds very interesting, and that its content (especially given Pixar's totally exemplary record -- do you know =anything= about film?!?!) might well be rather valuable. I cannot wait to see it, when I get the chance, and to discuss it with anyone else who has also bothered to do so. Should you ever wish to discuss the film itself, therefore, I for one will actually have seen the blessed thing, and will be in a position to offer a balanced assessment of it. If you just want to continue spraying moronically right-on prejudices around, however, then please do not waste even more of my time.

While we are at it, please also do not waste anyone else's time by scribbling that kind of cretinous nonsense again. Owning a keyboard does not make you a columnist. One example of your dangerous jingoism is useful. More would just look like self-importance.

And for heaven's sake, please do not go anywhere near a classroom, ever. There is nothing we can do to protect your own children from your ignorant rabble-rousing ('like, for real' <<shudder>>), but we can respectfully beg you to stay away from anyone else's. Always. Please.

Oh yeah, diversity can be done well (and it is important since homo sapiens is a pretty diverse species), its just you have to know how to create an actual character instead of a token. I have a few characters that belong to various minority groups (usually ones I also belong to), however I make sure to take care to make them have a reason to exist other than just so I have a character of x minority.

That, and a vast majority of them end up being completely awful people anyway.

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

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Jesus Christ! Are those supposed to be Steven Universe characters?!

 

[Hummingbird]

I feel bad for making a post with no art because she only does roleplaying blogs, but she does worship a Mexican artist, his name is odlaws if you want to look him up.

Spoiler: He can paint digitally but most of his stuff has that tumblr 'ugly on purpose' shit going on.

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This one was a walking dead commission that someone wanted from him but I thought the context behind it would be amusing. That dude is being fed his own legs.

Holy shit nuggets! (Especially that last one.) I love oddball stuff and twisted humor, but that last one? Blleeehh.

 

[Slurms McCorgi]

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/tumblr_nrpr4jilqi1so44j7o1_500-png.40121/

I like the bottle that was just shopped in. What, would drawing it have required too much effort?
(Were these SU pieces done on MS Paint? Dang, I wish I were this good.)

 

[A.Shitposter]

Jesus Christ! Are those supposed to be Steven Universe characters?!

You know it.

Holy shit nuggets! (Especially that last one.) I love oddball stuff and twisted humor, but that last one? Blleeehh.

They're painfully delicious!

I like the bottle that was just shopped in. What, would drawing it have required too much effort?
(Were these SU pieces done on MS Paint? Dang, I wish I were this good.)

Yeah, like I said, he's a good digital painter but mostly just uses MS paint to do stuff.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Tumblr's art class.

 

[Hummingbird]

The good folks at Bikki Armor Battle Damage are on a roll today.

-While this character gets more clothes when she levels up, it doesn't matter to them since she's showing cleavage and sexualized.
-Sure most of the ladies in the Mass Effect series are mostly fully clothed, that's not good enough. There's cleavage, not every outfit is gendernuetral, Miranda had a male creator which is icky since he made her "perfect" and beautiful; everything about Jack's design and Ashley was made prettier in the later games. Whew! I haven't played the Mass Effect series, but I see Jack's design as a reflection of her anger, rebelliousness and outsider personality. Her make-up and bald head help make her stand out.
-While Mortal Kombat is on their shitlist for quite a while, now Sindell is being targeted. I'm surprised they haven't gone after Ferra/Torg yet (especially her ending).
-If you defend skimpy and "bad" armor, you're an asshole.
-I did ask about their stance on LARPers who wear boobplate and do mock battles. They'll let it go if it's foam swords.

 

[Ruin]

The good folks at Bikki Armor Battle Damage are on a roll today.

-While this character gets more clothes when she levels up, it doesn't matter to them since she's showing cleavage and sexualized.
-Sure most of the ladies in the Mass Effect series are mostly fully clothed, that's not good enough. There's cleavage, not every outfit is gendernuetral, Miranda had a male creator which is icky since he made her "perfect" and beautiful; everything about Jack's design and Ashley was made prettier in the later games. Whew! I haven't played the Mass Effect series, but I see Jack's design as a reflection of her anger, rebelliousness and outsider personality. Her make-up and bald head help make her stand out.
-While Mortal Kombat is on their shitlist for quite a while, now Sindell is being targeted. I'm surprised they haven't gone after Ferra/Torg yet (especially her ending).
-If you defend skimpy and "bad" armor, you're an asshole.
-I did ask about their stance on LARPers who wear boobplate and do mock battles. They'll let it go if it's foam swords.

Ironically some of their redraws are far more unpractical than the originals. They'll take a stealthy assassin character who has to move quickly and quietly and draw her head to toe in full plate mail. Fuck common sense boobs are evil!

 

[c-no]

The good folks at Bikki Armor Battle Damage are on a roll today.

-While this character gets more clothes when she levels up, it doesn't matter to them since she's showing cleavage and sexualized.
-Sure most of the ladies in the Mass Effect series are mostly fully clothed, that's not good enough. There's cleavage, not every outfit is gendernuetral, Miranda had a male creator which is icky since he made her "perfect" and beautiful; everything about Jack's design and Ashley was made prettier in the later games. Whew! I haven't played the Mass Effect series, but I see Jack's design as a reflection of her anger, rebelliousness and outsider personality. Her make-up and bald head help make her stand out.
-While Mortal Kombat is on their shitlist for quite a while, now Sindell is being targeted. I'm surprised they haven't gone after Ferra/Torg yet (especially her ending).
-If you defend skimpy and "bad" armor, you're an asshole.
-I did ask about their stance on LARPers who wear boobplate and do mock battles. They'll let it go if it's foam swords.

Regarding the "defend skimpy armor" link, some of the things listed such as not being bothered as a woman can pass since I'm sure there are woman that don't care about armor. Not only that, some fictional worlds justify things with magic and really, if magic protects you unlike plate (and can withstand some anti-magic dispel), one wouldn't really need armor when they could be more akin to Jason Vorhees. As for level up clothing, it comes from Japan so maybe they should ask Japanese women if they are offended. As for the second link, Miranda's look can be justified since her dad did want to leave some sort of dynasty iirc. Also, Mass Effect link has a comment thinking the Asari is sexualized because corporate marketing. Yes, that is why even though the game says its due to the fact that they have something that appeals to not just humans but also Turians and other aliens. Do they at least look into the codex or hear npc conversations? Some of them shed light on alien races. Also, Jack and the like are biotics who could use their biotic powers to act as protection. They are different from Shepherd and in the end all these things are video games. They will still break logic one way or another.

Ironically some of their redraws are far more unpractical than the originals. They'll take a stealthy assassin character who has to move quickly and quietly and draw her head to toe in full plate mail. Fuck common sense boobs are evil!

Unless that plate armor has some enchantment that muffles the sound or it's Oblivion or Skyrim where you have high sneak skill, plate armor is a terrible idea to sneak in. Besides, assassins wouldn't make for a good tank. A tumblr I linked earlier mentioned how these redraws our impractical since not only would the armor itself not really protect a character (gaps in armor make plate null and void if you slip a blade through it), they wouldn't bother with making a weapon practical as well. Really, if they keep saying slap on plate armor or leather armor, one may as well see them as creatively stagnant since there are other armors to use such as a gambeson or a coat of plates which they wouldn't take advantage of but that is besides the points.

Link in case one wants to see the tumblr that calls these redesigns self-righteous.
http://no-one-can-have-any-fun-at-a...n-stylization-or-a-defense-of-george-kamitani

Edit: Just gonna say from looking up Fate/Stay which Bikini Armor tumblr complained about, not every male is a well armored guy. This one of them save for his third form. Even then, first few levels aren't all well protected
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Berserker_of_Red

 

[Meowthkip]

I had a friend who was one hundred percent convinced that a character in The Walking Dead videogame was gay and non-white and that was all she talked about, she had full blown tumblr arguments with people over his sexuality and the races of all the characters.

Spoiler

This one was special though, because she could put all her emotional baggage and depression/anxiety onto him because she thought he was cute.

Of course, she was one of the many SJW people constantly bitching and moaning that there should be more lgbt/trans/mentally ill characters in a series where people fucking die, and man, was there even more crying when the gay couple did die. View attachment 40117

I feel bad for making a post with no art because she only does roleplaying blogs, but she does worship a Mexican artist, his name is odlaws if you want to look him up.

Spoiler: He can paint digitally but most of his stuff has that tumblr 'ugly on purpose' shit going on.

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This one was a walking dead commission that someone wanted from him but I thought the context behind it would be amusing. That dude is being fed his own legs.

We had this same friend. She went out of her way to post on the TWDG forums and get into arguments with people about this and make herself cry. I never understood why she did that.

Also Jesus fuck, I've seen more characters on Tumblr with vitiligo than I've seen people who actually have it in real life, what the hell?

 

[A.Shitposter]

We had this same friend. She went out of her way to post on the TWDG forums and get into arguments with people about this and make herself cry. I never understood why she did that.

Also Jesus fuck, I've seen more characters on Tumblr with vitiligo than I've seen people who actually have it in real life, what the hell?

It annoyed me more that she quit tf2 forevers because of 'too much drama' right around when Vade gained popularity but then immediately went to a fandom that was nothing but drama and cried about it on her blog nonstop, I'm not sure why she did it either because she hated getting into fights with people but she continued to fight with people who didn't care or came from the chans.

I'm pretty vitiligo is just to make the characters look more appealing or something, I've never seen it used for anything other than 'human version of ___.' or people just bending races to be more inclusive.

 

[Meowthkip]

I'm pretty vitiligo is just to make the characters look more appealing or something, I've never seen it used for anything other than 'human version of ___.' or people just bending races to be more inclusive.

It always just seems like it's just going in the opposite direction of singling them out to make fun of them; they put people with vitiligo on a pedestal and kind of fetishize them as being like, the oppressed of the oppressed.

I dunno, man. I feel like we could pull up a whole bunch of Tumblr artists who draw canon characters or their OCs with vitiligo.