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I'm not sure if there's enough to really call them a movement, though.

Your words, dude.

Addition: The game is totally just another PUA manual

I read the whole thing and it's not. It's just a bunch of stories about how pathetic these people are, how big a failures their lives become and how shallow and empty their bullshit is. It contains small amounts of what you might describe as "PUA advice" but just enough for you to understand the story since it's so intrinsic to what's happening. It's important context to understand the failure.
 
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Your words, dude.
I guess I read too much into it when you called the writer of The Game, "one of the ex-main guys in the movement." That made me think there might be more structure to the whole PUA thing than just a bunch of lonely men lying to each other about their supposed conquests.
 
I guess I read too much into it when you called the writer of The Game, "one of the ex-main guys in the movement." That made me think there might be more structure to the whole PUA thing than just a bunch of lonely men lying to each other about their supposed conquests.

Ah. In that case I was being careless with my words. It would be more accurate to describe them as a subculture or maybe more colorfully as a cult of failure*.

*not a religious cult, a personality cult with a dipshit with a pseudonym straight out of the matrix and a rainbow feather boa as their leader.
 
You haven't seen it because the "movement' isn't taken seriously. In fact, as i'm sure you're aware of, it's actually a PUA hate movement (sarcasm). That's all most people know about the movement because that's all that is ever talked about. This is what it looks like when MRAs go out advocating:
You haven't seen MRAs address Ferguson because you think MRA is group of people on reddit and tumblr. There are people actively working to make changes, but it's not easy. Most people legitimately concerned with the issues know they are better off avoiding the MRA labeling.

:lol: at how polite Canadians are (not the protesters there, but the "scum" being hounded). I'm not an MRA person but I'm an American and I guarantee you I would not be as nice to those harpies.

There are men who are proactively working to address and correct the issues that men face in society today, men like Terry Crews. Crews is a former NFL linebacker and current actor, and he was the keynote speaker at the White Ribbon Society's "What Makes a Man" conference, which discusses modern masculinity, both in the media and in practice, and new avenues for masculine expression in a changing society. (He's also pretty much the sluthaterz' worst nightmare, a true "Chad" in every physical sense.)

The difference is that Crews, and the men like him that are actively working to address men's issues, aren't MRAs. They're feminists.


A bit long for a YT video, but well worth watching the whole interview. It's educational and very encouraging for guys.

Yeah, TL;DW but the title is already problematic. "The mindset that leads to rape" is one of being a crazy criminal, and has nothing to do with "modern masculinity."
 
Holdek, man, I gotta disagree. My state had no law on the books against marital rape until 1978, which I know sounds like forever ago to some forumites but is still relatively recent as state laws about this go, and the local DA almost never prosecutes marital rapes unless they leave huge, bleeding wounds that are treated at the ER immediately. Otherwise it's "he said, she said," according to the victim advocate's recounting of how the DA thinks about this. So in the eyes of the local justice system, "modern masculinity" pretty much includes the inalienable right to stick it in your woman whenever. And, according to the local domestic violence hotline, a shocking number of men still have this attitude -- not that they consult our idiot DA about it, but that it doesn't matter if she is incapacitated, etc. and certainly her views count for nothing. She got the pretty ring, ergo she must bend over whenever Mr. Modern Male gets the whim. 70% of us knew our attacker beforehand (sauce: RAINN, which I think uses DoJ stats). Therefore, a hell of a lot of men do have this as a component of how they view the world. I'm glad you don't. I bet pretty much every guy on here except Marijan doesn't. But if it were as easy as avoiding the "crazy criminals" of the world, the obviously dangerous ones, the rates of this crime would be a lot lower. Entitlement as part of masculinity does have to do with the rapist mindset (see also the work of Martha Stout, Ph.D., e.g. her book Predators).
 
Oh For Fuck's Sake.

Once again, can we NOT turn this thread into some big NO U feminism versus maninism (or whatever the fuck it's called) spergy shitfest political bullshit debate?

We're here to laugh at the spergs and speds, not emulate them.
 
Woah buddy watch it you're describing me! Oddly enough it's popular sentiment in that community that you should drink no alcohol and you should get the woman to drink. Also they think dancing is for losers. Some of their stuff I at least can see why they think it but I'm pretty sure girls like drunk guys who can dance. They have other odd ideas but I can't remember them.

So the puas have their celebrities who run very expensive classes to meet women. Usually advertised with extraordinary claims and totally real not staged videos of men just walking up to girls randomly on the street and successfully engaging them.
They think in terms of manipulation so just as all their courses are about manipulating women.. their real objective is to manipulate their customers. "Tell people what they want to hear to get what you want"

Well they see it as a step toward sleeping with them and they brag to each other about it. They call it closing. "I got numbers close", I think they have "fuck close" and some others. They're very cultish with the lingo.
But yeah they practically piss themselves with happiness if they waste a whole saturday night butt sober walking from drunk girl to drunk girl at a dance club and manage to get a few phone numbers.

Addition: The game is totally just another PUA manual It's disguised as something else but it's mostly fiction mixed in with the braggings of rich well connected men in the LA social scene. I only skim read it but it's just another attempt to get cash and hopefully get you to sign up for mystery's courses. Also pua and mystery started on usenet from guys trading stories about what works with women.

This guy on usenet telling you how to get laid :lol:

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I wonder if he's still around. I remember seeing that show in my teens. God, it was such a trainwreck.

Height discrimination or heightism is prejudice to a person based on his height. Taller people are perceived to be higher status and more dominant. They are also perceived to be more competent.

Height could be perceived by face, which also influences perceived leadership ability.

http://sluthate.com/w/Height_discrimination
http://sluthate.com/w/Height_discrimination
I'm pretty sure there are average heighted, high status males out there in the world.
 
That is fucking disturbing. They're basically saying that if a girl files a restraining order against you it's okay - nay, expected - that you crank your crazy dial up to 20 and shoot them in their apartment.

Do they even have any idea what they're talking about 1/2 of the time?
 
Do they even have any idea what they're talking about 1/2 of the time?
Nope! They certainly don't! Here's a gem from their "Mutual Attraction" page. These apparently are the prerequisites for a woman to show they are attracted to them. Gee, yet these also sound like the characteristics that get them labeled a slut if they don't sleep with them.
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Nope! They certainly don't! Here's a gem from their "Mutual Attraction" page. These apparently are the prerequisites for a woman to show they are attracted to them. Gee, yet these also sound like the characteristics that get them labeled a slut if they don't sleep with them.
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Holy shit. Most of these are obvious as fuck (do men really need a list telling them "wanting to have sex right away" is indicative of mutual attraction...?) and half are otherwise pointless ("dilated pupils" means approximately 10,000 different things, including "I am high on mescaline" and "the light in here isn't very good")

I find the shower sex one particularly disturbing. Enjoying initiating it as opposed to.. not enjoying it when you initiate it? Then again why would you take a shower (assuming its a personal bath) with someone you're not sexually interested in? This is really overly descriptive for no reason.

I wonder if he's still around. I remember seeing that show in my teens. God, it was such a trainwreck.
Mystery's show had one season, Flavor of Love ran for 3 seasons, that's all you really need to know
 
Nope! They certainly don't! Here's a gem from their "Mutual Attraction" page. These apparently are the prerequisites for a woman to show they are attracted to them. Gee, yet these also sound like the characteristics that get them labeled a slut if they don't sleep with them.
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Yeesh. Where do these guys get this stuff? That should be titled Indicators of impending venereal disease. Are we certain this isn't subtle satire to troll these guys? Seriously, it starts out normal enough, what with women asking men out (it happens), but quickly descends into madness.

Or could it be worse? Is this sluthater (or PUA or incel or whatever) insanity what we get when the makers of a certain role playing game attempt to give dating advice?
 
Yeesh. Where do these guys get this stuff? That should be titled Indicators of impending venereal disease. Are we certain this isn't subtle satire to troll these guys? Seriously, it starts out normal enough, what with women asking men out (it happens), but quickly descends into madness.

Or could it be worse? Is this sluthater (or PUA or incel or whatever) insanity what we get when the makers of a certain role playing game attempt to give dating advice?

Holy fuck. You know, for someone who's dateless as fuck, has average social skills, semi-nerd, and a sperg about a few interests, never once I had thought dating involved mathematical formulas, calculations, algorithms, etc. Outside the obvious I can see why these guys are 100% dateless. They make everything a fucking mathematical formula.
 
"Are you guys from sluthate.com?"
"FUCK OFF. 'Sluthate.com,' pfft. We're 'hatesluts.com.'"
"Where's 'stupidsluts.com?'"
"Over there."

"Oh, okay. What are your plans?"
"We kidnap women who wouldn't go out with us, and issue our demands."
"What?! That's our plan!"
"We thought of it first!"
"No you didn't!"
"Brothers! We need to unite against the common enemy!"
"Stupidsluthatingpeoplesfornt.com!?!?!??!"
 
They say a man with options only fucks the kind of women who typically want to settle down? If you want to not be a complete asshole your options are usually the kind of girls they seem to hate for some reason or you can settle down and that's "beta"?
Correct me if there is some angle haven't considered?
PUAs are the ones who 'like' sluts, and are constantly talking about how to run 'game' on them and stuff.
These guys tend to be more reactionary. Their ideal woman seems to be closer to a Stepford wife than anything else.
I find it odd how they continually mention height as a prime factor in being attractive.

They seem to be fixated on this as an easy measurement.

Weird.
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Nope! They certainly don't! Here's a gem from their "Mutual Attraction" page. These apparently are the prerequisites for a woman to show they are attracted to them. Gee, yet these also sound like the characteristics that get them labeled a slut if they don't sleep with them.
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  • She walks around your community college with a "Mutual Attraction Sign" (MAS) to match your Attraction Sign (AS) because you have HSV
Dude half this shit is like after you've already put your penis in her... you should understand that a woman likes you if she has sex with you.
The other half is fucking weird " her pupils are dilated. Checking a girl's pupils is a sure way to get nice and awkward.
What about people normal stuff like:
  • Smiling
  • Always being where you seem to be
  • Laughing
  • Trying to talk to you all the time
  • Being extra nice to you
I don't even see the hair flippy thing on the list.

Next generation attraction detector:

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