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[SpessCaptain]

Well when I was still ugly, I was considered very funny and charismatic (I remember someone outright saying I "have a lot of charisma" and people don't often mention stuff like that) but my sexual success was zero. Women literally treated me like I was invisible but to guys they all thought of me as their best friend and the "funniest person they know" etc. The girls that did like my personality saw me as "just a friend". I was also NOT insecure about my looks because at the time I still believed in the whole confidence, personality stuff.

It's impossible to answer your question but a lot of things would point to the increase in appearance being the cause of my success. Firstly, women comment on my appearance sometimes. Girls I used to know in the past mention that I "look much better", one of them was even flirting with me when before she also saw me as a "friend". In nightlife environments more women approach me, sometimes women make comments about how I'm "fit" or "handsome" though I'm still not really hot enough to get this consistently. Before I never got any of these things, and as mentioned the only time girls mentioned my looks was to say I'm "so ugly I make her feel sick".

Of course women treated you like you were invisible, theres not many women in gay bars, games workshops and your mothers basement.

 

[YI 457]

Well when I was still ugly, I was considered very funny and charismatic (I remember someone outright saying I "have a lot of charisma" and people don't often mention stuff like that) but my sexual success was zero. Women literally treated me like I was invisible but to guys they all thought of me as their best friend and the "funniest person they know" etc. The girls that did like my personality saw me as "just a friend". I was also NOT insecure about my looks because at the time I still believed in the whole confidence, personality stuff.

Nice power level there, man. Tell us more about your inner feelings, unforgivable experiences in youth. Don't forget any tiny details.

No shit is too minor.

 

[Yog-Spergoth]

Well when I was still ugly, I was considered very funny and charismatic (I remember someone outright saying I "have a lot of charisma" and people don't often mention stuff like that) but my sexual success was zero. Women literally treated me like I was invisible but to guys they all thought of me as their best friend and the "funniest person they know" etc. The girls that did like my personality saw me as "just a friend". I was also NOT insecure about my looks because at the time I still believed in the whole confidence, personality stuff.

It's impossible to answer your question but a lot of things would point to the increase in appearance being the cause of my success. Firstly, women comment on my appearance sometimes. Girls I used to know in the past mention that I "look much better", one of them was even flirting with me when before she also saw me as a "friend". In nightlife environments more women approach me, sometimes women make comments about how I'm "fit" or "handsome" though I'm still not really hot enough to get this consistently. Before I never got any of these things, and as mentioned the only time girls mentioned my looks was to say I'm "so ugly I make her feel sick".

The way men will treat you, and the way women will treat you will differ. Obviously. Also, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are charismatic and genial in person. (Please don't hold it against me) If you don't feel very good about yourself, isn't it possible that you couldn't express those traits fully? You care about appearance, assume others care about appearance, and act accordingly.

 

[José Mourinho]

What is wrong with you. Care to elaborate?

Elaboration is the tool of the oppressive patriarchal/matriarchal psychologists and scientists who exist to make their own statistics to trigger pedophiles. You just gotta #ListenAndBelieve to OmegaKV, man.

 

[MysteryMan]

The way men will treat you, and the way women will treat you will differ. Obviously. Also, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are charismatic and genial in person. (Please don't hold it against me) If you don't feel very good about yourself, isn't it fully possible that you couldn't express those traits fully? You care about appearance, assume others care about appearance, and act accordingly.

Sort of, I'm actually more introverted now than before. Some personal family issues caused me to withdraw a bit. If anything my personality isn't as good now as it was before. And as explained I didn't care about appearance at the time. I still thought it was my personality and game or something. This was before I found the forums and before my own observations led me to believe I need to work on my looks.

Also the contrast between being called "ugly" to getting positive remarks. There's a lot of evidence which makes it obvious to me that my increased success is due to the improvements I made to my appearance. You have to remember I was 250 lbs at one point, and even people who for some reason don't want to believe looks matter understand how much of an attraction killer that is.

Honestly I wish I could post picture proof of the change I underwent but I'm not comfortable doing that here.

 

[noooooway]

If you're a man and you're not attracted to 14-16 year olds, there is something mentally fucked up you, not the other way around. 14-16 is a girl's prime - no age of consent law can change that.

just wanna point out that pedophiles always say all men think the way they do. same thing for rapists. they think they are normal

 

[Yog-Spergoth]

Sort of, I'm actually more introverted now than before. Some personal family issues caused me to withdraw a bit. If anything my personality isn't as good now as it was before. And as explained I didn't care about appearance at the time. I still thought it was my personality and game or something. This was before I found the forums and before my own observations led me to believe I need to work on my looks.

Also the contrast between being called "ugly" to getting positive remarks. There's a lot of evidence which makes it obvious to me that my increased success is due to the improvements I made to my appearance. You have to remember I was 250 lbs at one point, and even people who for some reason don't want to believe looks matter understand how much of an attraction killer that is.

Hey man, I don't want to seem like I don't get you, but, like I said, appearance is an initial thing. If you're trying to hook up with girls in bars, they're not the best barometer for women in general. Feeling good about yourself can lead you to acting more confident, which makes you more attractive. It's not the 'rip' that makes you attractive, it's you acting like you without all of the fear blocking you.

Also, please don't use the word 'game' again? Please?

Edit: I work in a bar, so first-hand experience.

 

[Big Nasty]

If you're a man and you're not attracted to 14-16 year olds, there is something mentally fucked up you, not the other way around. 14-16 is a girl's prime - no age of consent law can change that.

OK, now I know what their defninition of "non-obese women" is. Apparently it's "jailbait".

 

[Bork Laser]

Your right males do like 14-16 year old females and find them attractive....

...mostly 14-16 year old males

 

[SpessCaptain]

I thought of the loveshies talking about how they are ignored. Here's a tasteful video.

 

[Vitriol]

This thread is everybit as cringey as one would expect. Its painfully obvious neither of you have ever had a real relationship or got to know a girl.

Looks are important but so is personality and as one gets older personal achievements (jobs etc) also factor in. Reguardless of how pretty a person is without personality long term relationships won't last. There is no universal scale. Girls are not sluts anymore than boys. Most people realise this pretty early on. I would suggest your mental immaturity is as much of a problem as any physical flaws.


I love that in this thread you have actual women telling you what they think and your response is 'no. gurls only like hawt bois coz sluts'.

I'm not even going to touch the pedophillia. If you cannot see that an average 12-16year old lacks the mental capacity (nevermind the physical) for sex then you're too far gone to help and its just as well you stay inside most of the time.

Normal adult men are not interested in minors, members of sluthate or obsessed with 'grade scales'.

Grow up.

 

[Positron]

Most psychological studies are politically motivated pseudoscience. Psychology is the study of designing biased surveys to make it appear like there is data supporting your personal views.

You know
1) Psychology is more than administering questionnaires?
2) If the surveys are biased, the studies will be criticized as such?

25yo females are in a state of decay.

Tell your mom about her state of decay.

 

[MysteryMan]

This thread is everybit as cringey as one would expect. Its painfully obvious neither of you have ever had a real relationship or got to know a girl.

Looks are important but so is personality and as one gets older personal achievements (jobs etc) also factor in. Reguardless of how pretty a person is without personality long term relationships won't last. There is no universal scale. Girls are not sluts anymore than boys. Most people realise this pretty early on. I would suggest your mental immaturity is as much of a problem as any physical flaws.

Why do we have to be interested in "getting to know a girl" or having a "real relationship". That's not appealing to everyone in the world you might be surprised to know. Obviously we are mansluts interested in random hook ups.

Actually quite a few members want a relationship so I don't speak for everyone.

 

[drtoboggan]

Why do we have to be interested in "getting to know a girl" or having a "real relationship". That's not appealing to everyone in the world you might be surprised to know. Obviously we are mansluts interested in random hook ups.

Actually quite a few members want a relationship so I don't speak for everyone.

This is why you fail.

 

[Randall Fragg]

If you're a man and you're not attracted to 14-16 year olds, there is something mentally fucked up with you, not the other way around. 14-16 is a girl's prime - no age of consent law can change that.

Hi Nick Bates.
Seriously dude, you're a fucking pedo.
What if a guy wanted to have sex with 14 year old boys? Would you consider that acceptable?

 

[Yog-Spergoth]

Why do we have to be interested in "getting to know a girl" or having a "real relationship". That's not appealing to everyone in the world you might be surprised to know. Obviously we are mansluts interested in random hook ups.

Actually quite a few members want a relationship so I don't speak for everyone.

Don't avoid questions.

You'll become a Marijan.

 

[Trapped_Fairy]

Why do we have to be interested in "getting to know a girl" or having a "real relationship".

Because if you don't care about a woman as a person, you will never deserve her time or attention nor will you ever get it. Women don't take kindly to being treated like pieces of meat.

 

[drtoboggan]

Because if you don't care about a woman as a person, you will never deserve her time or attention nor will you ever get it. Women don't take kindly to being treated like pieces of meat.

Treating people like pieces of meat inevitably leads to being treated like a piece of shit. It's the primary reason people have trouble getting laid.

 

[Saney]

Don't avoid questions.

You'll become a Marijan.

I've already started thinking of this guy as New Marjan. The other one too. They're both New Marjan.

 

[Yog-Spergoth]

I've already started thinking of this guy as New Marjan. The other one too. They're both New Marjan.

Truly we have hit the Marjan singularity.