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[wheat pasta]

In that case, it would be for the best if the "sane" MRAs loudly and publicly spoke up against the crazies. Otherwise, we would have to assume their silence amounts to tacit support.

Such is the case with any and all groups with members who have to say "We're not all like that."

I mean hey, feminism is like that too. The real activists are too busy doing things that mean something to try and talk over all the dumbasses.

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

In that case, it would be for the best if the "sane" MRAs loudly and publicly spoke up against the crazies. Otherwise, we would have to assume their silence amounts to tacit support.

Such is the case with any and all groups with members who have to say "We're not all like that."

Aw, stepping up as the public face of a polarizing movement can be incredibly demanding - you have to yell twice as loud to be heard, because everyone's already listening to the crazy grandstanding loudmouth who's poisoned the well against dialogue.

That's a lot to ask of normal people trying to live normal lives, even more so if a person is actually working to affect substantive change. Like I can understand why someone engaged in challenging unjust alimony laws would be disinclined to divert their limited energy to promote themselves as a "sane MRA" to the world at large.

Si Monumentum Requiris, Circumspice can be a more winning strategy, sometimes. Let the crazies eat their own.

 

[Cosmos]

Just glancing at this website made me feel dirty. It's a weird mixture of funny, sad, and infuriating when I see guys who go around calling all women sluts and whores and shallow harlots who only care about money... and then spend all their time crying on forums like this about how they can't get dates. OBVIOUSLY it's those stupid whores' faults, not theirs!

 

[A-№1]

I'm just popping my head in to remind everyone that MRAs are not the same thing as... these people. Some of them may identify as MRAs, but as a whole this is really not what the MRM is about.

The problem with things like the Mens Rights Movement and the Feminist Movement as well is that both are giant umbrellas covering a hell of a lot of different agendas under them. So you constantly hear from both groups the same sorry excuse: "But that's not what real Men's Rights / Feminism is about." Both claim to advocate equality in theory, but almost never do in practice. They've become so internally varied and extreme that "Men's Rights" and "Feminism" have become all but meaningless terms. Yet for all the variety of opinions in each, they are almost universally united in that they are almost exclusively a bunch of whiners. Both groups have some valid points (and a fuckload of invalid ones), but the rational members of both never seem to do anything productive like engage their rational counterparts in a constructive discussion over their differences. Or even address the problem of the crazies within their own camps. Instead what few rational people exist in each side only ever seem to complain against the crazies in the other camp, which is a pointless exercise. The rest are too busy burning their straw men and stroking their fallacies to even do that.

 

[P-Logic]

There's no such thing as an MRA who could get a date in high school. That should tell anyone all they need to know about their movement.

 

[MACH-IV]

There's no such thing as an MRA who could get a date in high school. That should tell anyone all they need to know about their movement.

You don't honestly believe that do you? Do you truly believe that the entirety of the MRA "movement' is really just men hating women? I'm not going to debate you or try to prove this or that, because I personally think the movement is pretty fucked, but there are some positives in it, and some amazing and accomplished men with healthy families involved in it as well.

I'm not criticizing you, but think about what you wrote and honestly tell me it was a fair comment to make.

 

[P-Logic]

Do you truly believe that the entirety of the MRA "movement' is really just men hating women?

No, but I think it is men struggling with how they relate to women.

The exception is people who are fighting for paternity rights, but I consider that a separate thing even though childless MRAs often try to piggy back on its legitimacy.

There's no need for a men's rights movement. White (and they are almost always white, ethnic minorities have bigger problems to deal with) men are extremely privileged. MRAs are whiny babies who don't have the wherewithal to make use of that privilege, or they aren't content with that privilege and they want sexual privilege too.

Or at least, that's my current (and I believe fairly informed) opinion. I'm open to being proved wrong. Who are these accomplished, family men MRAs you speak of?

 

[Gerion]

I would love to see MRAs step in and address stuff like what's going on in Ferguson. The killing of Michael Brown is a legitimate men's rights issue, and the more hands come on deck, the better. So far I haven't seen it. I also haven't seen much actual activism out of these guys. I get it, precedent in divorce law is sexist and unfair on dads. So what are they doing about it? Whether your platform of choice is reddit or tumblr, bleating about your pet issues in an echo chamber full of people just like you is not activism.

 

[MACH-IV]

No, but I think it is men struggling with how they relate to women.

The exception is people who are fighting for paternity rights, but I consider that a separate thing even though childless MRAs often try to piggy back on its legitimacy.

A lot of men struggle with how they relate to women. A lot of women struggle with how they relate to men.
A lot of men think they understand women, and a lot of women think they understand men.
It makes me a little angry when women suggest men don't face their own set of challenges, like life truly is easy mode for us. A man who supports men's issues can't relate to women? That doesn't make sense. Maybe someone is having a bit of trouble relating to men??? Saying men face their own set of problems doesn't negate feminist issues. The paternity issue ties into several other issues, and a man doesn't need to have kids to see the problem. I am not that invested in the MRA movement, and I already said I think it's fucked. I also think it's a mistake when guys try to get women to support men's issues.

I would love to see MRAs step in and address stuff like what's going on in Ferguson. The killing of Michael Brown is a legitimate men's rights issue, and the more hands come on deck, the better. So far I haven't seen it. I also haven't seen much actual activism out of these guys. I get it, precedent in divorce law is sexist and unfair on dads. So what are they doing about it? Whether your platform of choice is reddit or tumblr, bleating about your pet issues in an echo chamber full of people just like you is not activism.

You haven't seen it because the "movement' isn't taken seriously. In fact, as i'm sure you're aware of, it's actually a PUA hate movement (sarcasm). That's all most people know about the movement because that's all that is ever talked about. This is what it looks like when MRAs go out advocating:

You haven't seen MRAs address Ferguson because you think MRA is group of people on reddit and tumblr. There are people actively working to make changes, but it's not easy. Most people legitimately concerned with the issues know they are better off avoiding the MRA labeling.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

No, but I think it is men struggling with how they relate to women.

The exception is people who are fighting for paternity rights, but I consider that a separate thing even though childless MRAs often try to piggy back on its legitimacy.

There's no need for a men's rights movement. White (and they are almost always white, ethnic minorities have bigger problems to deal with) men are extremely privileged. MRAs are whiny babies who don't have the wherewithal to make use of that privilege, or they aren't content with that privilege and they want sexual privilege too.

Or at least, that's my current (and I believe fairly informed) opinion. I'm open to being proved wrong. Who are these accomplished, family men MRAs you speak of?

Yeah tell my how privileged you are as you run out the backdoor of the house you're paying rent on because your mentally unstable female roommate who has lost her job likes to do speed and scream outside your room until the fat dyke next door calls the cops to report you're beating your "girlfriend" again and another one of your friends told you about how she'd managed to get her actual boyfriend arrested just a block over for yelling at him too loud.


You seem like a sheltered kid. As far as MRAs nobody with any sense would identify as one because of all the redpill/bluepill/alpha/beta/pua types but yes men have issues and 3rd wave feminism is rife with radicals much like the MRA movement.... difference is a woman can still announce she's a feminist without being labeled as a socially, romantically, and professionally unsuccessful virgin loser... quite the opposite she's hip and progressive.

MRAs are whiny babies who don't have the wherewithal to make use of that privilege,

Yeah like when I was off fighting terrorists, smugglers, and pirates 19 or 20 hours a day for weeks on end while my sister was getting her college paid for?

 

[CatParty]

isn't mra just about hating women?

 

[Holdek]

isn't mra just about hating women?

yeah and not having to share their vidya with them

(#PassTheController)

 

[BriarHeart]

There are men who are proactively working to address and correct the issues that men face in society today, men like Terry Crews. Crews is a former NFL linebacker and current actor, and he was the keynote speaker at the White Ribbon Society's "What Makes a Man" conference, which discusses modern masculinity, both in the media and in practice, and new avenues for masculine expression in a changing society. (He's also pretty much the sluthaterz' worst nightmare, a true "Chad" in every physical sense.)

The difference is that Crews, and the men like him that are actively working to address men's issues, aren't MRAs. They're feminists.

A bit long for a YT video, but well worth watching the whole interview. It's educational and very encouraging for guys.

 

[P-Logic]

It makes me a little angry when women suggest men don't face their own set of challenges, like life truly is easy mode for us.

Same here. I recently had an argument with a female friend of mine when she made a statement I interpreted that way. But there's a difference between acknowledging that men face challenges and feeling like there's a need for a social movement to ameliorate those challenges.

Maybe someone is having a bit of trouble relating to men???

I'm actually a straight, white male. I'm fortunate that I've never really experienced any problems relating to either gender. Not that I'd claim to fully understand women either, of course.

A man who supports men's issues can't relate to women?

What men's issues? Most of the "issues" that MRAs face seem to revolve around feeling entitled to sex and companionship from women.

Mentally unstable female roommate, interfering lesbian neighbour

Those aren't problems related to gender. They are problems related to a shitty roommate and a dumb neighbour. If you had actually been convicted of a crime in this situation then you might have a point.

You seem like a sheltered kid.

I'm not. I've lived a full life, good times and bad, believe me.

Sister got college paid for.

The education system in the US is pretty fucked up, I agree. There are scholarships available to both genders though. I'm sorry you didn't manage to get one, but that's life. Plenty of women don't either. If it pisses you off, I suggest that you direct your energy into protesting for education reform in particular, rather than a nebulous concept of "men's rights". You'll achieve a lot more if you focus on a real issue.

 

[YI 457]

But there's a difference between acknowledging that men face challenges and feeling like there's a need for a social movement to ameliorate those challenges.

All people should be considered equally worthless, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, and so on.

 

[MACH-IV]

The difference is that Crews, and the men like him that are actively working to address men's issues, aren't MRAs. They're feminists.
It's educational and very encouraging for guys.

lol your post made me feel sick.
Feminism is not a "men's issue" and Crews is not working to address men's issues either. I'm not saying he doesn't have some good advice, but it isn't relevant to "men's rights" at all. We don't need to keep giving praise to male feminists and thanking them for their service. We get the message: feminism is popular and nice.
There are negative stereotypes when someone says "just be a man" so the best possible option is to ask a woman what a man should act like and copy that? Way to demonstrate the unrealistically high value our society places on women. Very effective way to remind a man his value is based on what a woman thinks of him.

 

[MACH-IV]

I think the balance is kind of lost. People focus too much on their own gender being "mistreated", and put everything on a scale. MRAs have the same type of victim mentality that fanatic feminists often have, and it's quite lame.

Exactly. To suggest something is unfair to men is not an attack against women. It's possible to support men and women, and it isn't necessary to attach a label to it.

Although I don't think people focus on their own gender being mistreated. I think most people focus on females being mistreated, which is why something like MRA started to begin with.

 

[MACH-IV]

But there's a difference between acknowledging that men face challenges and feeling like there's a need for a social movement to ameliorate those challenges.

What men's issues? Most of the "issues" that MRAs face seem to revolve around feeling entitled to sex and companionship from women.

That's because you go on PUA forums and sluthate.com to see what MRA is about. I'm sure some guys do feel entitled to women, and they may even consider themselves an MRA but that isn't what MRA is about. The social "movement" would be to undue the huge bias against men when it comes to legal proceedings like divorce settlements, etc. There will never be accountability in feminism, which is why guys tend to see girls as more innocent, trustworthy, and altruistic. Many men side with women over men, and most women side with women over men, so it's easy to see why divorce settlements, paternity rights are usually in favor of the woman. I don't like the idea of a social movement, but something has to change. Also, remember that most of the people actually working on these issues don't embrace the MRA title anymore due to all the hateful shit associated with it.

 

[P-Logic]

Feminism is not a "men's issue"

Sure it is. What about when society shames a man for displaying "feminine" traits? That's patriarchy. "Just be a man", "Man up", etc? Patriarchy.

The unrealistically high value our society places on women.

Society doesn't value women more than men. The opposite is true. When society generally thinks that women need more money after a divorce, or that women will automatically be be better parents, etc, that is patriarchy.

Patriarchy can benefit women, and it can hurt men.

It's clear that you haven't really read many books about feminism. I don't think you really understand what it is. I'll cop that I haven't read a single book about men's rights though, so I guess we're even. Can you recommend one?

Very effective way to remind a man his value is based on what a woman thinks of him.

My value is not based on what a woman thinks of me. Value is subjective. We all have the opportunity to value ourselves based on any metric we want. If other people, men or women, don't value me then that's their prerogative. Anyone with a healthy self esteem should have the same attitude.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

Same here. I recently had an argument with a female friend of mine when she made a statement I interpreted that way. But there's a difference between acknowledging that men face challenges and feeling like there's a need for a social movement to ameliorate those challenges.

If you put it that way, I agree. But I'd continue to argue that most of the attempts at social movements in america are unneeded. The ones that we do need we probably don't even consider and that's why they're needed.

What men's issues? Most of the "issues" that MRAs face seem to revolve around feeling entitled to sex and companionship from women.

Men's issues like the man getting carted away for every domestic dispute, it's the law that this is required and it still happens all the time even though the supreme court shot it down.
Alimony can just go fuck right off!
Child custody issues.
I wanted out of the house with that roommate but I had literally nowhere to go, the homeless shelter doesn't take men with homes. Sometimes it took so much not to knock teeth out of her meth mouth but even sleeping outside under a bush somewhere would have put me at risk for arrest.
What about social attitudes? There are still strong social consequences to being bisexual or even a little flamboyant.
Not to mention that when interacting with the police I'm much more likely to have a nasty outcome, I wouldn't DREAM of copping the attitude that I see some women get with cops, often getting not even a ticket!
Plus the false crap that 3rd wave feminism likes to spout that indirectly , glassdoor just attempted to do a piece on pay gaps at top tech companies, you could tell they wanted to publish an article illustrating the problem. The results were unspectacular, there were fewer women in tech because there are fewer women going into tech. Men made slightly more but when you counted wages/years in industry women were making 20k for every year of work and men were making just a little less than that, there was literally nothing to talk about other than the internalized attitude that US females have that tech and science is for boys.
I am a drinker and have gotten many people back home safe from the bar but if its a man I can't get a cab to take them nobody will help you even pick a man up from the ground. Everyone wants to help if its a girl

Those aren't problems related to gender. They are problems related to a shitty roommate and a dumb neighbour. If you had actually been convicted of a crime in this situation then you might have a point.

I felt like I was in a very tight spot and this was in a feminist sjw college town, my neighbor was a lesbian and a self declared feminist. The police did show up to take me away but left since I wasn't there. The roommate is still stalking me years later and not only is there nothing I can do about it but it's societies attitude that I can't be stalked or have domestic issues with women that aren't my fault. I was literally barracading myself in my room to avoid this woman.

The education system in the US is pretty fucked up, I agree. There are scholarships available to both genders though. I'm sorry you didn't manage to get one, but that's life. Plenty of women don't either. If it pisses you off, I suggest that you direct your energy into protesting for education reform in particular, rather than a nebulous concept of "men's rights". You'll achieve a lot more if you focus on a real issue.

I got plenty of money evetually but the social attitude is men can take care of themselves. My parents paid for her undergrad though she did get grants. Women taking cs get massive grants and theyre not even getting used but girls who almost never even tried still complain about this industry and call it sexist.


A number of men's issues only exist because of 3rd wave feminists so I don't like them and can see why mras exist even if I don't like them either.