So what even is "queer" anymore?

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It's a backlash to the "dudebro" and "bimbo" cultural archetypes pushed hard by advertising and the media in the 2000s and early 2010s.

Think the men and women of Jersey Shore, think Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson.

"Queer" basically just means "not that"

The irony is, the reason the culture was the way it was in the 2000s was a backlash to the way it was in the 1990s, which was closer to what we would call "queer" today (ie Four Non Blonds), everything in American culture is just a backlash to a backlash to a backlash to a backlash, flip flopping from one extreme to the other.

The pendulum will probably swing the other way again and men and women will go back to being macho and feminine once modern "queer" runs it's course.
 
Dom Cruise said:
It's a backlash to the "dudebro" and "bimbo" cultural archetypes pushed hard by advertising and the media in the 2000s and early 2010s.

Think the men and women of Jersey Shore, think Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson.

"Queer" basically just means "not that"

The irony is, the reason the culture was the way it was in the 2000s was a backlash to the way it was in the 1990s, which was closer to what we would call "queer" today (ie Four Non Blonds), everything in American culture is just a backlash to a backlash to a backlash to a backlash, flip flopping from one extreme to the other.

The pendulum will probably swing the other way again and men and women will go back to being macho and feminine once modern "queer" runs it's course.
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This would explain the fondness a lot of Twitter/Tumblr socjus types have for 90s stuff, honestly.
 
FunPosting101 said:
This would explain the fondness a lot of Twitter/Tumblr socjus types have for 90s stuff, honestly.
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It does, but the "queer" side of the 1990s is more specifically the early 90s, I mentioned 4 Non Blonds as one big example, but you also had a general "quirky" sensibility in a lot of other songs like The Crash Test Dummies and Blind Melon's "No Rain", this didn't just apply to music, but also movies, you had pop surrealist movies (most of them bombs) like Toys and Cabin Boy, which were all inspired by Tim Burton and his movies like Edward Scissorhands or movies with queer themes like To Wong Foo, My Own Private Idaho and Even Cowgirls Get The Blues.

You also had a punkish attitude with Nirvana and the whole grunge movement, there was also a huge push for gay rights in the early 90s because of the AIDS crisis.

But by the end of the 90s though things more resembled what they would become in the 2000s, queer and quirky were out of fashion, people wanted to be sexy (as in straight), edgy and cool, I've heard one reason for this is the suicide of Kurt Cobain had a real chilling factor on early 90s culture and people moved on to other things, there was no social media Big Brother back then so if people decided they were tired of queer culture they were free to be tired of it.

But then the pendulum started to swing back again by the end of the 2000s with the rise of hipsters, today the culture of the year 2005 or so is basically the Great Satan Twitter/Tumblr socjus types have worked tirelessly to systemically dismantle and destroy for the last decade, however things worked in the mid 00s they declared jihad on to bring us back to the early 90s but this time supercharged.

But you can draw parallels with the early 90s to the latter half of the 1960s and the 1970s, which is of course all being echoed again today, basically American culture has been a pendulum swinging back and forth since the 1960s.
 
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Dom Cruise said:
It's a backlash to the "dudebro" and "bimbo" cultural archetypes pushed hard by advertising and the media in the 2000s and early 2010s.

Think the men and women of Jersey Shore, think Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson.

"Queer" basically just means "not that"

The irony is, the reason the culture was the way it was in the 2000s was a backlash to the way it was in the 1990s, which was closer to what we would call "queer" today (ie Four Non Blonds), everything in American culture is just a backlash to a backlash to a backlash to a backlash, flip flopping from one extreme to the other.

The pendulum will probably swing the other way again and men and women will go back to being macho and feminine once modern "queer" runs it's course.
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Oh, I'd say that right now is in a weird spot where there are people who emulate the '00s aesthetic, but are still '10s SJWs at heart. The entire social justice trend of taking '00s/early '10s celebs at face value is an example of that weird limbo.
 
2al said:
Oh, I'd say that right now is in a weird spot where there are people who emulate the '00s aesthetic, but are still '10s SJWs at heart. The entire social justice trend of taking '00s/early '10s celebs at face value is an example of that weird limbo.
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The 20 year nostalgia cycle is definitely hitting the 2000s, but we're in those weird, early stages where no one's sure yet how exactly the 2000s should be remembered, it's like how the 1980s were in the early 2000s.

The more time goes on the more the 2000s will be boiled down into an overall "aesthetic" the way we've done with every decade, it won't be how life actually really was back then*, but it'll be fun.

*The movie Ladybird shows life as it actually was back in 2002 and 2003, I was quite impressed.
 
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