Sony hate thread

[Two Dollars]

All the <$200 handhelds out now are either Chinese Linux-based emulation or Android. I think there could definitely be potential in something like a pocket-sized $150 Steam OS device that plays low-end games and has basic docking support up to 1080p. The technology is basically there now.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

"Although we don’t have any numbers to share, the demand has continued to exceed our expectations," Wakai said.

It's hard for me to trust Sony corpo speak when they don't give out solid sales figures.

I could believe it had strong initial sales based on the posts I saw on social media of people being pissed off to find out it was just a streaming device and not a PS Switch, though.

 

[Pissmaster]

I'm still amazed Sony didn't go this route considering the Switches success and the fact that everything still looks like PS4 games just with a slightly higher resolution. I guess they were probably too invested in PS5 by the time Switch came in 17?

I'd say it's almost too late now, but it couldn't hurt.

Yeah, I figure. Same logic goes as for why they‘d launch PS5 during fucking COVID, when there were shortages of everything and rioting was becoming common. The fanfare surrounding new consoles was always fun, but this generation just didn’t have any due to the world falling apart.

Now if PS6 turns out to be a stationary console, we’ll know for certain they are retarded beyond all hope.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Yeah, I figure. Same logic goes as for why they‘d launch PS5 during fucking COVID, when there were shortages of everything and rioting was becoming common. The fanfare surrounding new consoles was always fun, but this generation just didn’t have any due to the world falling apart.

Now if PS6 turns out to be a stationary console, we’ll know for certain they are retarded beyond all hope.

And yet the console itself is selling great. :/

 

[Pissmaster]

And yet the console itself is selling great. :/

So is the Xbox Series S, if you look at the right metrics.

 

[whatever I feel like]

So is the Xbox Series S, if you look at the right metrics.

I think "only in America if you discount sales of its predecessors or direct competitors" is a bit more restrictive than "everywhere but Japan." I'd also like to see Series sales numbers, because I was under the impression that MS never gives them out anymore.

 

[Pissmaster]

I think "only in America if you discount sales of its predecessors or direct competitors" is a bit more restrictive than "everywhere but Japan." I'd also like to see Series sales numbers, because I was under the impression that MS never gives them out anymore.

I think it's doing pretty well in Poop Land.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I think it's doing pretty well in Poop Land.

India? Really?

 

[Baraka Obama]

"Although we don’t have any numbers to share, the demand has continued to exceed our expectations," Wakai said.

https://www.ign.com/articles/playstation-portal-has-continued-to-exceed-our-expectations-sony-says

Has also been selling out from time to time, which is something no one expected. If it is just Sony fanboys buying it, would expect the sales drop by next year when what ever the latest shit Sony is selling will be out.

Makes no sense to me as well. If you have a table or phone could already do streaming to it, hell I've got PS5 streaming to work on my Steam Deck which I used when I was doing side quests in FF7 Rebirth while watching stuff on my pc.

PSTV was sold out from time to time. Doubt anyone considers that a success.

It makes no sense because remote play never worked very well. It has lag and desyncs occasionally.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

And yet the console itself is selling great. :/

Sony missed their own forecast by 3 million consoles. Up to date sales figures for PS5 are here:

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/

Xbox Series figures are here: (Series S and Series X sales are rumoured to be roughly 1:1)
VGchartz 28 million Series sold

 

[whatever I feel like]

Sony missed their own forecast by 3 million consoles. Up to date sales figures for PS5 are here:

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/

Xbox Series figures are here: (Series S and Series X sales are rumoured to be roughly 1:1)
VGchartz 28 million Series sold

Sony missed their forecast but only because they set it at a ludicrous 25 million to begin with. Even with only selling 21 million they still beat both Xbox and Switch. Setting aside the fact that VGchartz numbers are notoriously bullshit, did you actually read the article you quoted? Its terrible for the Serieses, they're tracking behind the XBO (which itself was regarded as a failure compared to 360) and their lifetime total is closer to Sony's last single year than its lifetime. And then there's Switch out in front lapping the two of them and still well ahead even if you discount the 3.5 head start years it had.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Sony missed their forecast but only because they set it at a ludicrous 25 million to begin with. Even with only selling 21 million they still beat both Xbox and Switch. Setting aside the fact that VGchartz numbers are notoriously bullshit, did you actually read the article you quoted? Its terrible for the Serieses, they're tracking behind the XBO (which itself was regarded as a failure compared to 360) and their lifetime total is closer to Sony's last single year than its lifetime. And then there's Switch out in front lapping the two of them and still well ahead even if you discount the 3.5 head start years it had.

They set their target at 25 million but are 3 million behind PS4 sales comparatively; PS4 numbers are sold through to customer vs PS5 sold in.

I didn't read the article because VGchartz is bullshit, but a quick google gave the number of Series' sold at 28 million so I thought I would chuck a link in my post like a good farmer. Xbox series and PS5 are selling poorly relative to their past consoles and for me, with no evidence or proof, I blame the price. £500 for a three year old console? Are they having a fucking laugh?
£500 for a launch console is ab-fucking-surd, so keeping that price 3 years in is inexcusable and I'm glad they're selling so poorly.

Switch is selling great, I take nothing away from it. It beats out previous handhelds which sold between 120-130 million so the Switch is tracking above them, while stealing a few players from the console realm.

I can see 2024 being a terrible year for all three, which isn't a bad thing for the Switch as the successor is rumoured to be launching soon and it's an old handheld at this point. Sony have no excuse for selling so poorly, other than their own retardation.

 

[Product Placement]

They set their target at 25 million but are 3 million behind PS4 sales comparatively; PS4 numbers are sold through to customer vs PS5 sold in.

I didn't read the article because VGchartz is bullshit, but a quick google gave the number of Series' sold at 28 million so I thought I would chuck a link in my post like a good farmer. Xbox series and PS5 are selling poorly relative to their past consoles and for me, with no evidence or proof, I blame the price. £500 for a three year old console? Are they having a fucking laugh?
£500 for a launch console is ab-fucking-surd, so keeping that price 3 years in is inexcusable and I'm glad they're selling so poorly.

Switch is selling great, I take nothing away from it. It beats out previous handhelds which sold between 120-130 million so the Switch is tracking above them, while stealing a few players from the console realm.

I can see 2024 being a terrible year for all three, which isn't a bad thing for the Switch as the successor is rumoured to be launching soon and it's an old handheld at this point. Sony have no excuse for selling so poorly, other than their own retardation.

The prices of the consoles really can't change much, the parts for them just aren't going down to what is needed to allow for it, so sales slowing down should not be a shock, many people who just can't afford a £450+ item, even more so when cross gen lasted so long and their ps4 or XBone is still getting most games they want.

XBox SS was a good idea, but I don't think people want a cheap but cut down model but want the real thing. The idea that Sony and MS will launch a new console around 2027 is crazy, both companies need to wait until they can make a much more powerful console than what came before, and at a cheaper price. Even if they still launch at the same price point, within the 3rd year need to see those deep discounts.

But have a feeling the reason why we will get a next gen console sooner than we should for both customers and devs, is because both MS and Sony know the sales will flat line, and rather than wait to have a next gen console that won't have that issues, better for their shares if they just do the same thing again.

 

[marvlouslie]

Sony's bullshit is one of the main reasons why I decided to go full PC this last year. With more and more of their games getting PC ports, the ultimate question to me becomes ... "Why?" Why do you need this?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

The prices of the consoles really can't change much, the parts for them just aren't going down to what is needed to allow for it, so sales slowing down should not be a shock, many people who just can't afford a £450+ item, even more so when cross gen lasted so long and their ps4 or XBone is still getting most games they want.

XBox SS was a good idea, but I don't think people want a cheap but cut down model but want the real thing. The idea that Sony and MS will launch a new console around 2027 is crazy, both companies need to wait until they can make a much more powerful console than what came before, and at a cheaper price. Even if they still launch at the same price point, within the 3rd year need to see those deep discounts.

But have a feeling the reason why we will get a next gen console sooner than we should for both customers and devs, is because both MS and Sony know the sales will flat line, and rather than wait to have a next gen console that won't have that issues, better for their shares if they just do the same thing again.

I agree and understand they're stuck between a rock and a hard place, but I find it hard to have any sympathy. If GoW and Horizon 2 look as good as they do on a base PS4, why do we even need a PS5 that's as powerful as it is? The Series S is a piece of shit, but the idea of having a stripped down, cheaper box was a commendable one, even if MS fucked it up.

I think if MS would have met a middle-ground, somewhere between a Series S and Series X and just launched that as a single console at £300 or £350, they would have wiped the floor with Sony, even with the laughably bad line-up MS have had this generation. On the flip side, if Sony had have forced an upgrade and ignored the greedy decision to push backwards compatibility, they would be able to more easily justify the cost of the PS5. Not only that, Sony shot themselves in the foot by not supporting VR. So many missed opportunities by both companies that expect the hardcore gamers to pick up the bill. They can fuck themselves.

My retarded prediction for the future is that Sony bank on the PS5Pro as being their stop-gap for the next 3-5 years, while Microsoft cut this gen short and launch a new console with Nvidia and Intel parts, rather than AMD.

The arrogance of both companies launching such an expensive console, with such an abysmal line-up of games, even 3 years into the gen, makes me want both companies to go bankrupt.

 

[TVB]

Sony's bullshit is one of the main reasons why I decided to go full PC this last year. With more and more of their games getting PC ports, the ultimate question to me becomes ... "Why?" Why do you need this?

I stopped caring about consoles after the 3Ds and even then I've been into PC for almost my entire life

 

[Product Placement]

If GoW and Horizon 2 look as good as they do on a base PS4, why do we even need a PS5 that's as powerful as it is?

I agree, think 60fps higher res was a good reason for some people, and if you look at the first year of the PS5 line up they did have PS5 only games with the likes of the Demon Souls remake, Ratchet and Returnal, which did con people into thinking that would last. I don't think Sony can pull that trick twice however, and with the PS6 if it comes out in 2027, I can't see the cross gen period not being even longer.

On the flip side, if Sony had have forced an upgrade and ignored the greedy decision to push backwards compatibility

Not sure what you mean by this, would never call backward compatibly greedy, unless you mean cross gen games? If you mean cross-gen games, I don't think there was an issue with it, as the games that were cross gen were made with that in mind or outright started as PS4 games. The issue is Sony didn't have any next gen only games in the pipe line for the whole of 2022 and 2023, honestly they didn't have much in games at all.

Not only that, Sony shot themselves in the foot by not supporting VR.

I disagree, issue is they tried VR again and made it PS5 only instead of working PC which is now only something they are doing. VR is niche, and Sony dev teams are already spread out, they can't support both PSVR and PS5 if they wish to mostly fund and publish games by studios they own.

One of the reasons Vita failed is because Sony's devs team only had the resources to make one game a time, and would rather have put their time into making PS4 games, so they skipped over the Vita. Sony did outsource some games early on, but they were of such shit quality they stopped.

Sony need to just up quality control and fund 3rd party devs to take a crack a number of dead ips they own. Make they low to mid budget, and they they go well make deals for these devs to make original ips. Only way they can support both systems, or at this point just the PS5.

My retarded prediction for the future is that Sony bank on the PS5Pro as being their stop-gap for the next 3-5 years, while Microsoft cut this gen short and launch a new console with Nvidia and Intel parts, rather than AMD.

I don't see a huge gap between the two consoles maybe a year tops, but if one is to cut it short will be the Xbox SS as that one is not popular with devs.

You are also right that all signs point to a Nivdia based Xbox, while Sony will still with AMD with there own tec some of which is to be in the PS5 Pro for hardware upscaling. With MS switching to ARM, does make sense for their lower system to be portable as ARM architecture is very well suited for it.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I agree, think 60fps higher res was a good reason for some people, and if you look at the first year of the PS5 line up they did have PS5 only games with the likes of the Demon Souls remake, Ratchet and Returnal, which did con people into thinking that would last. I don't think Sony can pull that trick twice however, and with the PS6 if it comes out in 2027, I can't see the cross gen period not being even longer.

. Those early days looked very promising. Returnal was a fun take on a genre and a good game. Then arrogant Sony kicked in again.

Not sure what you mean by this, would never call backward compatibly greedy, unless you mean cross gen games? If you mean cross-gen games, I don't think there was an issue with it, as the games that were cross gen were made with that in mind or outright started as PS4 games. The issue is Sony didn't have any next gen only games in the pipe line for the whole of 2022 and 2023, honestly they didn't have much in games at all.

I think BC is greedy because it hides behind "good guy Sony/MS". I don't want cross-gen games, I want brand new exclusives on exclusive hardware, that's where the fun games have always existed. I see it as greedy because they want to claw in as much money as possible from a game, when, to me, they don't need to a new console to fill it with BC games.
I understand third parties doing it, cross-gen COD or whatever makes sense and helps the new console find more player to play with. 1st party BC - specifically new console games working on previous consoles, not visa-versa, is, in my view, pure greed.

I disagree, issue is they tried VR again and made it PS5 only instead of working PC which is now only something they are doing. VR is niche, and Sony dev teams are already spread out, they can't support both PSVR and PS5 if they wish to mostly fund and publish games by studios they own.

One of the reasons Vita failed is because Sony's devs team only had the resources to make one game a time, and would rather have put their time into making PS4 games, so they skipped over the Vita. Sony did outsource some games early on, but they were of such shit quality they stopped.

Sony need to just up quality control and fund 3rd party devs to take a crack a number of dead ips they own. Make they low to mid budget, and they they go well make deals for these devs to make original ips. Only way they can support both systems, or at this point just the PS5.

I believe PSVR2 should have been exclusive to PS5 and those studios should have focused on launching as many games as possible on PSVR2. Sony had enough chances to support it, but didn't. PSVR2 now going to PC is the least they can do after they've abandoned it. Sony have enough IPs and had enough on-the-fence normies to make a killer app and push PSVR2, when the price comes down of course.
VR has to be played to be understood though, which makes it a hard sell.

You're right though, Sony own a shit load of old IP's that could be revived by small 3rd party studios, who could use that opportunity to advertise themselves to be potentially purchased by Sony if they show they can put out quality remakes/remasters. Not every game needs to be a banger, but 10-15 old games become a mega-banger for a console.

I don't see a huge gap between the two consoles maybe a year tops, but if one is to cut it short will be the Xbox SS as that one is not popular with devs.

Which is a condemnation of a supposedly much more powerful console (Series X) than PS5. I do wonder if AMD nerfed their tech in the Xbox.

You are also right that all signs point to a Nivdia based Xbox, while Sony will still with AMD with there own tec some of which is to be in the PS5 Pro for hardware upscaling. With MS switching to ARM, does make sense for their lower system to be portable as ARM architecture is very well suited for it.

Sony and AMD are very close, with Cerny helping AMD with their own software tech, which is only in PS5 and, like you said, In Pro. Maybe we will get some interesting comparisons between the consoles like we did back in the day, if MS go Nvidia and ARM.
MS should have definitely launched a small handheld to push Gamepass+Cloud.

 

[Edgy But Dull]

The previous gen also saw the resurgence of PC gaming and with every console exclusive getting the "coming to PC eventually" treatment, there's even less of a reason to buy a new console. The exclusives just aren't that interesting and those that are, a lot of people are willing to wait an extra year for it. Not to mention the fact that Sony is still arrogant enough to charge $80 a year for online multiplayer. Retards keep claiming that Japan is solely a handheld market and that's why the PS5 sold like shit there but the PC gaming market has exploded in the past 4 years there. It's still a small amount of the total market share there but PC gaming in Japan was always notoriously "niche" and now it's seen as a viable alternative to Sony.

It's like they've taken the Apple approach where they realize a lot of potential customers won't buy their bullshit so they just raised the prices on everything so their cultists will give them more of their money to make up for the lost revenue, which scares away even more potential customers.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

In the past month, the GameStation 5 (GS5) has been trending and I’m honestly not mad at this

https://www.ggrecon.com/articles/knock-off-ps5-is-about-as-good-as-youd-expect/

Even when I have been noticeably on and off this site, I’ve noticed videos being made by the retro handheld/game emulation community who have made nothing but positive videos about how something that was originally made as a joke is actually pretty good.

Granted, there are still some joke videos being made about gifting this to your sibling as a prank or how tech channels are calling this cursed and what not, but I remember thinking how I first saw this on AliExpress laughing at it and not thinking much of it.

Now, I’m not laughing at it as much; I’m just smiling as to how this ended up being a popular Chinese clone of a PlayStation 5 that more people are playing/tearing down/figuring out what or why this exists in the first place. Either way, it’s both fun and hilarious at the same time to witness a PS5 rip off getting some good coverage.