Sony hate thread

[Marissa Moira]

Marissa Moira is always trying way too hard with the all-knowing smartass act, even on topics he has little to no grasp about (be computers, linguistics, video games, etc), and we're already past the point of assuming he's been merely trolling all that time. It's both annoying and sad frankly.

Now say that without tears streaming down your face.

 

[Nasty Habits]

Is it true that the optic laser on fat ps2s ticking timebombs

yeah the 3900x phat has the better lasers of the models imho (i also hear 5000x phat but haven't had optical issues req. to be repaired yet with that series). Luckily you can generally find all the parts online or craigslist "as is" models for repairs if needed.

Sony was initially better with backwards compatibility up until the PS4. MS has embraced BC with their consoles better than Sony now.

I will say the inclusion of trophies with PS2 on PS4 and ability to purchase is a good start.

Man, the subscription service sucks total dick though, that was a poor play on Sony's part Also a bummer that the PS3 store is shut down, as a lot of PS1 /PS2 titles were available on there that weren't included on the subscription service and now that it is gone, I need to take extra care coddling my PS3 with all of those titles on it (too lazy to emulate those specific games when perfectly serviceable PS3 right there)
EDIT : removing retarded doublepost, apologies

 

[Marissa Moira]

yeah the 3900x phat has the better lasers of the models imho (i also hear 5000x phat but haven't had optical issues req. to be repaired yet with that series). Luckily you can generally find all the parts online or craigslist "as is" models for repairs if needed.

Man, the subscription service sucks total dick though, that was a poor play on Sony's part Also a bummer that the PS3 store is shut down, as a lot of PS1 /PS2 titles were available on there that weren't included on the subscription service and now that it is gone, I need to take extra care coddling my PS3 with all of those titles on it (too lazy to emulate those specific games when perfectly serviceable PS3 right there)
EDIT : removing retarded doublepost, apologies

Subscription shit for old games has now been normalized for all 3 companies.

The PS3 store isn't shut down though.

 

[Nasty Habits]

The PS3 store isn't shut down though.

Oh thank fuck you're right, I was behind on the news for that one. What a relief! The PS3 I'd been concerned about has had the system crash several times despite all my meddling, so I had been worried about it since the news had broken. I don't really follow console game news so I must've looked over it or something. Appreciate it!

 

[Marissa Moira]

Oh thank fuck you're right, I was behind on the news for that one. What a relief! The PS3 I'd been concerned about has had the system crash several times despite all my meddling, so I had been worried about it since the news had broken. I don't really follow console game news so I must've looked over it or something. Appreciate it!

People got confused because there was the news that Sega is removing some PS3 digital only titles so they can be resold in the Sonic origins collection. That happened within the last day or so. But everything else is still up including the PS3 version of Nights into Dreams.

 

[Nasty Habits]

People got confused because there was the news that Sega is removing some PS3 digital only titles so they can be resold in the Sonic origins collection. That happened within the last day or so. But everything else is still up including the PS3 version of Nights into Dreams.

That is scummy, but not surprising considering Sony

 

[Marissa Moira]

That is scummy, but not surprising considering Sony

It was literally all on Sega because they wanted a tie-in to the new movie.

Sonic Origins is digital only so I'm not buying it, I doubled dipped with Mania but I've already got the other sega collections and their original copies.

 

[HeyYou]

People got confused because there was the news that Sega is removing some PS3 digital only titles so they can be resold in the Sonic origins collection. That happened within the last day or so. But everything else is still up including the PS3 version of Nights into Dreams.

Except Sony was about to shut down the stores for the Vita and PS3 and then backtracked when everyone complained. Leaving that out kinda obfuscates the fact that they were fully planning on being scummy until people called them out on it.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Except Sony was about to shut down the stores for the Vita and PS3 and then backtracked when everyone complained. Leaving that out kinda obfuscates the fact that they were fully planning on being scummy until people called them out on it.

I really can't view that as scummy, it's the eventual fate of all digital storefronts, it's why I don't really buy digital unless if it's the only way.

At this point the PS3 is the only one of that era left with a functioning store. IIRC the 3ds store is even shutting down next year. IOS Apps that were made in that same time period no longer work on the latest iphones, some of these were programs that people paid for and support just gets dropped for them and no more patches or upgrades.

 

[The Last Stand]

I really can't view that as scummy, it's the eventual fate of all digital storefronts, it's why I don't really buy digital unless if it's the only way.

At this point the PS3 is the only one of that era left with a functioning store. IIRC the 3ds store is even shutting down next year. IOS Apps that were made in that same time period no longer work on the latest iphones, some of these were programs that people paid for and support just gets dropped for them and no more patches or upgrades.

You're not incorrect, but this raises an issue with preservation . Hundreds of games just lost with the flip of a switch.

 

[Marissa Moira]

You're not incorrect, but this raises an issue with preservation . Hundreds of games just lost with the flip of a switch.

That's why I buy physical dude.

I don't trust digital because even when the system shits itself it shows that you don't own it(i.e. the recent shit of game licenses being accidently made outdated). This isn't just related to Playstation but all digital storefronts with maybe gog being a slight exception because they have an end of service plan that currently works.

 

[HeyYou]

I really can't view that as scummy, it's the eventual fate of all digital storefronts, it's why I don't really buy digital unless if it's the only way.

At this point the PS3 is the only one of that era left with a functioning store. IIRC the 3ds store is even shutting down next year. IOS Apps that were made in that same time period no longer work on the latest iphones, some of these were programs that people paid for and support just gets dropped for them and no more patches or upgrades.

I can most definitely view it as scummy from a games preservation standpoint because there are many games that are only available on Sony's digital storefronts, sometimes because they grabbed it as an exclusive so it can't appear on DRM free PC storefronts. Other companies being scummy doesn't excuse Sony being scummy and the fact remains that the only thing the dude you quoted got wrong was that Sony backtracked after people called them out. Otherwise, yes, the PS3 store would be dead right now.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I can most definitely view it as scummy from a games preservation standpoint because there are many games that are only available on Sony's digital storefronts, sometimes because they grabbed it as an exclusive so it can't appear on DRM free PC storefronts. Other companies being scummy doesn't excuse Sony being scummy and the fact remains that the only thing the dude you quoted got wrong was that Sony backtracked after people called them out. Otherwise, yes, the PS3 store would be dead right now.

It's kind of the fate for these storefronts to close, it's been that way since the original xbox where the store was only open for a few years.

It's just part of the unfortunate lifecycle of modern software development. It being disposable is intended. How do you get companies to stop? Like take for example Apple, how would you get them to ensure that if developers put shit on the App Store to buy with money, how do they ensure that it will still work 10 years from now? I mean you have to consider the variables, like what if the dev goes under? How does a company like apple rectify a situation where an app becomes abandonware?

 

[HeyYou]

It's kind of the fate for these storefronts to close, it's been that way since the original xbox where the store was only open for a few years.

It's just part of the unfortunate lifecycle of modern software development. It being disposable is intended. How do you get companies to stop? Like take for example Apple, how would you get them to ensure that if developers put shit on the App Store to buy with money, how do they ensure that it will still work 10 years from now? I mean you have to consider the variables, like what if the dev goes under? How does a company like apple rectify a situation where an app becomes abandonware?

I know full well the reality of how difficult it is to maintain old storefronts and the issues with how you'd go about making games exclusive to one platform available to others. It doesn't make it any less annoying from a preservation standpoint and you should 100% be calling them out on this considering your supposed love of physical media instead of writing defeatist paragraphs that amount to "yeah, but other companies do it too."

 

[Marissa Moira]

I know full well the reality of how difficult it is to maintain old storefronts and the issues with how you'd go about making games exclusive to one platform available to others. It doesn't make it any less annoying from a preservation standpoint and you should 100% be calling them out on this considering your supposed love of physical media instead of writing defeatist paragraphs that amount to "yeah, but other companies do it too."

If I buy physical there's no point to calling digital tomfoolery out. Think, a physical game is usually separate from the storefronts, them closing has zero effect.

The way around the problem isn't to try and force the big guys to change their ways, the more realistic way would be is to have the devs(who are usually much smaller) make their games available in a format so people can buy it in a non-digital means. Some companies like Strictly Limited and Limited Run games already do this and partner with smaller devs who normally could not afford something like a physical release. If the cost of printing was driven down it would make physical copies a reality to far more digital only games.

 

[The Last Stand]

If I buy physical there's no point to calling digital tomfoolery out. Think, a physical game is usually separate from the storefronts, them closing has zero effect.

Not every game is physical. What if it goes from "unable to buy games" to "unable to ACCESS games" after said closure?

This would also render the PSP Go practically unusable without homebrew.

it's been that way since the original xbox where the store was only open for a few years.

The OG Xbox marketplace had, what, a fraction, of what the PS3/Vita marketplace has now? Digital distribution is now commonplace, even during PS3's early lifespan.

the more realistic way would be is to have the devs(who are usually much smaller) make their games available in a format so people can buy it in a non-digital means.

Not every developer can afford that cost.

 

[Urbanmech]

If I buy physical there's no point to calling digital tomfoolery out. Think, a physical game is usually separate from the storefronts, them closing has zero effect.

The way around the problem isn't to try and force the big guys to change their ways, the more realistic way would be is to have the devs(who are usually much smaller) make their games available in a format so people can buy it in a non-digital means. Some companies like Strictly Limited and Limited Run games already do this and partner with smaller devs who normally could not afford something like a physical release. If the cost of printing was driven down it would make physical copies a reality to far more digital only games.

Buying physical only in this day doesn't completely solve the problem though. Great you got a physical copy of Evolve...oh wait nm. Also a company kind of already solved the problem. GOG lets you straight up download your games like physical media and you can just store it how you want. And well when Steam shutdown no one will care because we will either be dead or irradiated Mutants. The main problem is the Console companies at the end of the day are corporations that want money, hence why they nickel and dime over 20+ year old games...

 

[The Last Stand]

Great you got a physical copy of Evolve...oh wait nm.

Don't forget Battleborn. Or having sports games neutered two years after EA/2K axe their servers.

 

[HeyYou]

The way around the problem isn't to try and force the big guys to change their ways, the more realistic way would be is to have the devs(who are usually much smaller) make their games available in a format so people can buy it in a non-digital means. Some companies like Strictly Limited and Limited Run games already do this and partner with smaller devs who normally could not afford something like a physical release. If the cost of printing was driven down it would make physical copies a reality to far more digital only games.

None of that affects games that were released years ago and are exclusive to online platforms, especially in cases where the company that made the game dissolved ages ago. The only solutions are to keep every storefront for every console a company makes up, which realistically isn't an option, or find ways to preserve those games in permanent ways, whether it's supporting emulators that play games that are not available to purchase or allowing third party storefronts access to those exclusive games for preservation purposes. Sony will never agree to any of those options.

There's also the issue of physical copies being irrelevant if you can't download the millions of patches and DLC that make the games actually playable afterwards.

And well when Steam shutdown no one will care because we will either be dead or irradiated Mutants. The main problem is the Console companies at the end of the day are corporations that want money, hence why they nickel and dime over 20+ year old games...

The difference between Steam and these console storefronts is that Steam's been around for twenty years and is the exact same store, whereas console storefronts often have exclusive games that completely disappear if those storefronts shut down, unless the company decides to nickel and dime you to play those exclusive games through subscription services like Sony and Nintendo are doing. If and when Steam actually does shut down, I'd fully expect them to allow games tied to your account to be played without Steam through whatever legal means are accessible to them, or I'd be just as pissed.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

I don't think they were amd but they were late 2010's. They worked for a few years. When I repurposed the cards I said they would be fine for video calls and basic shit but I wouldn't use them for heavy duty shit just due to all the stuff we ran them through. The current machines were gotten shortly before everything went to absolute shit so they're around 2. If things shake out to be fine around november I'll probably start to replace them.

So then they would be Intel hd shit then if they aren't AMD. Which would be even worse because the AMD onboard graphics were at least usable. Intel HD on the other hand, with a BGA Celeron.. my god