Sony hate thread

I know, it scares me too, but I'll take companies that leave alone people archiving the original unaltered stuff - before wokeness took over even - over a company that will sue you into oblivion for trying to keep a piece of history. Nintendo makes the RIAA and MPAA blush with how ruthless they are on these matters. If it was just regular "I want your money, I'll suck your cock for money" greed that's fine, but Nintendo is the one that demands you pay to suck their cock. That's not the greed we want.
Bullshit, Nintendo is actually really nice to people who don't try to give their shit out for free without permission.


edit: Ever notice how most of these so-called "preservationists" never care about legitimately rare and in-danger stuff like 70s and 80s arcade releases but definitely are there to "preserve" Megaman 2 and LttP. Bunch of real bullshitters there...
 
Bullshit, Nintendo is actually really nice to people who don't try to give their shit out for free without permission.


edit: Ever notice how most of these so-called "preservationists" never care about legitimately rare and in-danger stuff like 70s and 80s arcade releases but definitely are there to "preserve" Megaman 2 and LttP. Bunch of real bullshitters there...
Show me some examples because I'd love to see it. I could use a whitepill. From my what I've read they typically tell people to fuck off.

I do agree that there are "preservationists" out there for clout and shit, but a lot of people do try to preserve as much as they can. It's really hard now to get access to the 70's and 80's stuff, though, as opposed to what's most recent or common to get.
 
Bullshit, Nintendo is actually really nice to people who don't try to give their shit out for free without permission.


edit: Ever notice how most of these so-called "preservationists" never care about legitimately rare and in-danger stuff like 70s and 80s arcade releases but definitely are there to "preserve" Megaman 2 and LttP. Bunch of real bullshitters there...
Even with piracy, Nintendo is admittedly worse with taking down roms, but I’m sick of people crying about “the death of preservation” every time a rom site gets shut down when there are 500 other rom sites that are just as easily accessible. And I can count the number of rom hacks/fan games Nintendo has taken down - and made an effort to actually keep down - on one hand, even though there are probably more Mario+Pokemon fan games than every other video game franchise combined.

Me? I have a much deeper hatred for the “fans” who own actual, possibly one-of-a-kind prototypes and refuse to dump them for everyone else to play because of the deranged mentality that their prototype will somehow lose its value if other people have access to the rom.
 
Show me some examples because I'd love to see it. I could use a whitepill. From my what I've read they typically tell people to fuck off.
A few big ones I can think of:

1) Allowing AM2R to actually release before sending the C&D. Most people list this as a negative but they were aware of this shit, unofficially, long before release and waited for it to come out anyway even though they were secretly remaking Metroid 2 themselves at the exact same time.
2) Letting the Mother translation continue existing with zero legal threats at all.
3) Actively participating in the Sky Skipper rebuild even though it was done using code that someone had stolen from them. Like, literally stolen as in copied a rom from an arcade machine they owned and kept as a museum piece without permission in violation of contract. This one, in particular, is great for arcade history nerds and is what preservation is really all about.
4) Allowing Project M to exist, publicly, for years even though its fans shit on the dev team constantly. Eventually took it down but I think only because they were modding in 3rd party IP that could have effected relations with certain other companies (*cough* *cough* Capcom.)
5) Running the best internal preservation and cataloging system in gaming for decades.
6) Almost always try to send business to existing partners, even when their output isn't actually good. Have multiple internal teams dedicated to "coaching up" these outside contractors so that even a release from the Dynasty Warriors team will be non-janky and of high quality.
7) Amassed something like half of Japan's 90s era RPG makers into its various second party and subsidiary studios.
8) Revealed tons of old info, for free, in the old Iwata Asks sections. Allowed Sakurai to reveal stuff like that in his current series of game creation Youtube videos. Openly discuss "failed"/"for testing only" projects like Stage Debut and Sound Factory, despite it being of interest only to hardcore game history nerds.
9) Seemingly intent on remastering everything GCN-era and later, but in a smart way where games will come in and out of availability over time. Allowing them to maintain both access, cultural relevance and, most importantly, sales.
10) Pretty much keep four or five genres alive in the AAA space solely on their own. When's the last AAA kart racer or platformer that isn't from them or a remake?
11) All those Pokemon fan games and Mario kaizos that are out there? You think Nintendo doesn't know about them.

And yes, for the ones of those above that are products, you do have to pay for them. Thats how life works.
 
Me? I have a much deeper hatred for the “fans” who own actual, possibly one-of-a-kind prototypes and refuse to dump them for everyone else to play because of the deranged mentality that their prototype will somehow lose its value if other people have access to the rom.
Actually, there's nothing dubious about it. Its the data that is valuable, possibly thousands of dollars in value for a desired game. The actual dev cart itself, if the data is wiped, is worth like 40 bucks. Dev kits, which is more a modern thing than the eras I care most about, are worth more but nothing compared to having a VIP game on them.


edit: And this isn't just games either. I remember when an episode of the Doctor Who serial "The Lion" was found, the BBC took the film reel back and restored it for release. Then they gave it back to the owner as part of their agreement with him. He immediately announced an auction to sell off his historically important Dr Who film reels. Getting access back was worth tens of thousands of pounds (and tens of thousands were, in one way or another, put back into restoring it.) The film reels? Sold as a bundle for like 240 pounds at auction even with media reporting on it.
 
I think a smug Sony is a bad Sony. Sony historical has performed better when they were not in the lead and had to try instead of set the cruise control.

If you like Sony and actually want them to succeed long term you would want them to have enough of a set back that Sony of Japan takes back decision making power and rights the ship. You would also want Sony Corporation to hire better leadership in their TV division and actually outperform Samsung so the company has a bigger balance sheet and can actually do more.

If you think Sony in its current trajectory is headed for success long term you are wishfully thinking or living in a delusion.
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That's the thing, I don't like Sony. I haven't had a PlayStation since 3, so I can sit back and laugh. Also smh that Kat is stuffed in the background. She's not even there in the second picture.

I don't know how to feel about folks being so young as to not remember how nintendo acts when they're at the top.
I do remember them trying, and failing, to take down game rentals. I also remember their bullshit sputum on their propaganda rag nintendo power. "bAcKuP dEvIcEs ArE tHe tOoLs oF BeeZeLbuB!"
That's pretty much what I'm saying. It's not because I like Sony at the top, it's a tradeoff. I'd rather the system I don't own act like smug assholes than the ones I do own. If it means we get Switch and Gamepass instead of "Fuck third parties because we're Nintendo" and "Always online/Drm/Kinect Xbox", then so be it.

Maybe Steam Deck could fill the slot of a 4th competitor. Steam has always just wanted your money, nothing less or more.
 
That's the thing, I don't like Sony. I haven't had a PlayStation since 3, so I can sit back and laugh. Also smh that Kat is stuffed in the background. She's not even there in the second picture.


That's pretty much what I'm saying. It's not because I like Sony at the top, it's a tradeoff. I'd rather the system I don't own act like smug assholes than the ones I do own. If it means we get Switch and Gamepass instead of "Fuck third parties because we're Nintendo" and "Always online/Drm/Kinect Xbox", then so be it.

Maybe Steam Deck could fill the slot of a 4th competitor. Steam has always just wanted your money, nothing less or more.
Honestly, stuff like GeForce Now, Luna, Steam Deck, etc. is really blurring the line between console and "computing device." Its kind of weird that Playstation and Xbox still need optimization, like at all. So in that sense there's way more than 3 competing platforms right now.
 
Bullshit, Nintendo is actually really nice to people who don't try to give their shit out for free without permission.


edit: Ever notice how most of these so-called "preservationists" never care about legitimately rare and in-danger stuff like 70s and 80s arcade releases but definitely are there to "preserve" Megaman 2 and LttP. Bunch of real bullshitters there...
Ehh, there's some that are definitely into the old arcadey stuff, they're more on the boomer side though, and kind of insular compared to the Hidden Palaces and stuff(also somewhat goofy, but i digress). Also the games these communities jerks themselves off over is Sonic the Hedgehog(Sonic 2 arguably being the backbone of the entire hobby), Pokemon, the occasional autistic's obsession(Blinks the time sweeper and Pac Man: Ghost Zone are two that comes to mind), really just stuff kids are into since the majority of the community seems to range anywhere from under 13(ever seen a child get so very obviously groomed in real time?) to early 20s.

If anything's fucked it's the more modern arcade games, everyone, and i mean EVERYONE tries to keep the Japanese stuff locked down pat because it means they'll get more money if it is ever sold, or good ol fashion spergery. Like, for an example... oh!
This shit right here? Completely undumped, and there's said to be a collector that just buys up every copy that shows up on yahoo auctions and the like. Hard to really compete with that.

Autism aside, Fuck Sony. Why do they even pretend to be a competitor at this point? They're porting damn near every game they make to PC and Xbox, with only ratchet and clank speculated to be a console exclusive for no damn reason at all. The PS5 is STILL not all that easy to find, and even if it was - why would you want one. Steam beats it in every respect, Nintendo does it's own thing like always, while xbox... As much as i don't like their wokeness or the fact that they bailed out Mr. Shitface, it still delivers a serviceable enough console. The only thing sony manages to do is stand out in the worst ways possible, with shit like overhanded censorship of their jap games and raising the prices of their shitty console. If they got replaced with the Steam Boy, i wouldn't even bat an eye.
 
edit: Ever notice how most of these so-called "preservationists" never care about legitimately rare and in-danger stuff like 70s and 80s arcade releases but definitely are there to "preserve" Megaman 2 and LttP. Bunch of real bullshitters there...
Speaking of which, it's insane how so many vintage games are still worth a mint, but also shithole chinese sites like Wish sell multicarts with collections of incredibly rare games, perfectly playable on any real NES. Other than a game select screen, there is no difference between playing Little Samson on a 146-in-1 cart and a $1000 original.
 
Speaking of which, it's insane how so many vintage games are still worth a mint, but also shithole chinese sites like Wish sell multicarts with collections of incredibly rare games, perfectly playable on any real NES. Other than a game select screen, there is no difference between playing Little Samson on a 146-in-1 cart and a $1000 original.
The collecting bubble was on the verge of bursting right before Covid. Alas, I am tens of thousands of dollars in real world wealth richer, even without inflation, but consider myself poorer for it.)
 
And yes, for the ones of those above that are products, you do have to pay for them. Thats how life works.

Look mate, I just want Nintendo to offer me a clear, simple and reasonable one-time price for the old classics rather than try to sell me on the "You will own nothing and still pay a subscription for it" scam they've been running with Nintendo Online. $20 one-time for Super Mario All-Stars? Or Super Metroid? Sure whatever, but trying to Netflix them out is such bullshit.

It's why I turned to emulators...
 
Look mate, I just want Nintendo to offer me a clear, simple and reasonable one-time price for the old classics rather than try to sell me on the "You will own nothing and still pay a subscription for it" scam they've been running with Nintendo Online. $20 one-time for Super Mario All-Stars? Or Super Metroid? Sure whatever, but trying to Netflix them out is such bullshit.

It's why I turned to emulators...
NES or SNES classic. There you go. Or Wii/Wii U virtual console.

Anyways, if you prefer to emulate thats fine (truth be told, I do too over NSO bullshit) but Nintendo has decided that they are worth more as a subscription add-on than they are selling individually.
 
NES or SNES classic. There you go. Or Wii/Wii U virtual console.
As said, discontinued. If they still sold the SNES Classic for $79.99 like its release I'd be all for it. But Nintendon't.

Sad, really. I would buy a bunch of these games if they still made them, but the Netflix model or being told from a reseller that it's going be $220 for one game tells me that emulators are the only real way to go.
 
Look mate, I just want Nintendo to offer me a clear, simple and reasonable one-time price for the old classics rather than try to sell me on the "You will own nothing and still pay a subscription for it" scam they've been running with Nintendo Online. $20 one-time for Super Mario All-Stars? Or Super Metroid? Sure whatever, but trying to Netflix them out is such bullshit.

It's why I turned to emulators...
Feel free to give me all the rainbows in the world for this theory, but what if Nintendo went the Netflix route because of emulation? Hear me out: They know that pirating N64 and earlier is stupidly easy, and most people who know anything about emulation are just going to emulate regardless of what the official solution is. But a lot of people just want a quick and convenient way to play a bunch of old games at a low price, and that’s where a subscription-based solution comes in. These people don’t care about good shaders or modern advancements in emulation, and they don’t even care about “owning” the games; they just want simplicity. And the people who want more will (ideally) think “it’s only a few bucks per month and I also get online play and ‘free’ DLC through the expansion pass, so why not? I can always fall back on emulation.” It also gives Nintendo the PR boost of occasionally saying “hey guys, [popular game that they waited 4+ years to add] is available RIGHT NOW and it’s FREE”.

Just a theory. Still doesn’t stop Nintendo from just offering full purchases like they used to alongside a subscription.
 
Feel free to give me all the rainbows in the world for this theory, but what if Nintendo went the Netflix route because of emulation? Hear me out: They know that pirating N64 and earlier is stupidly easy, and most people who know anything about emulation are just going to emulate regardless of what the official solution is. But a lot of people just want a quick and convenient way to play a bunch of old games at a low price, and that’s where a subscription-based solution comes in. These people don’t care about good shaders or modern advancements in emulation, and they don’t even care about “owning” the games; they just want simplicity. And the people who want more will (ideally) think “it’s only a few bucks per month and I also get online play and ‘free’ DLC through the expansion pass, so why not? I can always fall back on emulation.” It also gives Nintendo the PR boost of occasionally saying “hey guys, [popular game that they waited 4+ years to add] is available RIGHT NOW and it’s FREE”.

Just a theory. Still doesn’t stop Nintendo from just offering full purchases like they used to alongside a subscription.
Seems like more of a response to Games with Gold & PlayStation Plus than anything. It costs very little and adds value to the Switch Online service. Emulation and bootlegs have been a thorn in Nintendo's side forever, and frankly, it's strange how rarely they used to capitalize on their back catalog. The vast majority of the NES and SNES libraries remained exclusive to their consoles until the Wii Virtual Console, so emulation was the only way to play them without original carts for a very long time, yet Nintendo was just as notoriously rabid about takedowns as ever.
 
Feel free to give me all the rainbows in the world for this theory, but what if Nintendo went the Netflix route because of emulation? Hear me out: They know that pirating N64 and earlier is stupidly easy, and most people who know anything about emulation are just going to emulate regardless of what the official solution is. But a lot of people just want a quick and convenient way to play a bunch of old games at a low price, and that’s where a subscription-based solution comes in. These people don’t care about good shaders or modern advancements in emulation, and they don’t even care about “owning” the games; they just want simplicity. And the people who want more will (ideally) think “it’s only a few bucks per month and I also get online play and ‘free’ DLC through the expansion pass, so why not? I can always fall back on emulation.” It also gives Nintendo the PR boost of occasionally saying “hey guys, [popular game that they waited 4+ years to add] is available RIGHT NOW and it’s FREE”.

Just a theory. Still doesn’t stop Nintendo from just offering full purchases like they used to alongside a subscription.
The fact that you can't outright purchase a classic game is the real problem here. I would say it's intentionally this way, probably so when they bring their online service to the next console, you still need to pay the subscription to access the classic library.
 
I think the thing was a fear that it was cannibalizing sales of new games in the same series (Mario Odyssey vs Mario 64?) or of killing third party sales on the e-shop. Now that the Switch is hone to everything it would be nice if they could bring a VC equivalent back, but they unfortunately did NSO instead.
 
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