Sony hate thread

[whatever I feel like]

@The Demon Pimp of Razgriz the point is, spinning off Xbox specifically to acquire Nintendo would not be allowed if the regulatory bodies do not see the newly independent Xbox as a viable competitor in the console industry. And since Xbox as a division has only turned a profit one quarter in its history (and that was 20 years ago), it clearly would not be. The idea that regulatory bodies give MS any slack these days is ridiculous, if anything they are giving it and other tech groups a purposely hard life these days.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

@The Demon Pimp of Razgriz the point is, spinning off Xbox specifically to acquire Nintendo would not be allowed if the regulatory bodies do not see the newly independent Xbox as a viable competitor in the console industry. And since Xbox as a division has only turned a profit one quarter in its history (and that was 20 years ago), it clearly would not be. The idea that regulatory bodies give MS any slack these days is ridiculous, if anything they are giving it and other tech groups a purposely hard life these days.

Despite the FTC and the CMA giving Microsoft a hard time, their cases never really had a chance to succeed, and most regulatory agencies rubberstamped the acquisition of ABK. If the issue is viability, then all Microsoft have to do is find a buyer, of which there are a few potential ones. Or Microsoft can do what I suggested and sell off their Xbox business prior to an attempted acquisition of Nintendo, making this also a moot point. And if competition is the issue, all Microsoft have to argue is their Xbox business isn't viable (And we now have internal documents supporting the assertion that Microsoft doesn't see their console business as viable and may be planning to exit it), and they are planning to drop out of the industry if a deal with Nintendo doesn't go through, making an argument for the sake of competition also a moot point.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Despite the FTC and the CMA giving Microsoft a hard time, their cases never really had a chance to succeed, and most regulatory agencies rubberstamped the acquisition of ABK. If the issue is viability, then all Microsoft have to do is find a buyer, of which there are a few potential ones. Or Microsoft can do what I suggested and sell off their Xbox business prior to an attempted acquisition of Nintendo, making this also a moot point. And if competition is the issue, all Microsoft have to argue is their Xbox business isn't viable (And we now have internal documents supporting the assertion that Microsoft doesn't see their console business as viable and may be planning to exit it), and they are planning to drop out of the industry if a deal with Nintendo doesn't go through, making an argument for the sake of competition also a moot point.

Nobody is going to buy Xbox. Even if Microsoft ceases support for "home consoles" they are still likely to be found in the same marketplace as Nintendo in the realm of game distribution platforms if they don't sell off Gamepass as well. And they 100 percent are not going to do that, it is where all of their assets are and where the past seven or so years of effort have gone (to say nothing of any future time in between now and the proposed buy-out then forced acq.) Microsoft would literally have to sell off or write off pretty much their entire gaming division in order to get away with it. Among other things that would mean the people in charge of Xbox intentionally planning their own job losses -and that never happens.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Nobody is going to buy Xbox.

Never say never on anything.

Even if Microsoft ceases support for "home consoles" they are still likely to be found in the same marketplace as Nintendo in the realm of game distribution platforms if they don't sell off Gamepass as well.

Doubtful, since Microsoft can literally put Game Pass on any platform they want, including other consoles (and in fact, I think they've already tried that). Game pass simply doesn't compete in the same market as home consoles, any more than Origin or Uplay did. Its a subscription service, not a physical box.

Microsoft would literally have to sell off or write off pretty much their entire gaming division in order to get away with it.

Considering how unsuccessful their gaming division is, that's not really out of the realm of possibility.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Considering how unsuccessful their gaming division is, that's not really out of the realm of possibility.

Oh its definitely possible, its just that there is no buying Nintendo a year afterwards. If they leave its because they are fed up and washing their hands of the whole concept. Anything that can't be folded into Office Suite will be gone, gone, gone. Maybe King survives the purge too.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Oh its definitely possible, its just that there is no buying Nintendo a year afterwards. If they leave its because they are fed up and washing their hands of the whole concept. Anything that can't be folded into Office Suite will be gone, gone, gone. Maybe King survives the purge too.

I mean, them just leaving the industry is probably the most likely end to all this, but more than likely they will sell everything they bought so they can try to make some money back from the assets they spend billions acquiring and because the those video game assets simply won't be worth much to Microsoft once they leave the industry.

 

[The Last Stand]

The PlayStation 5 is one of THE console of all time.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Embracer cancelling projects left and right
Sony firing Ryan for low profits, while cancelling games
Epic going through a round of staff lay-offs with Fortnite
Activision gone up for sale
Ubisoft going up for sale
Sega cancelling a game worth $1 billion

No pattern emerging here.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Thats a very rose tinted view of past games. Yeah, there was cream on the top but it was a thin layer with very dark, grossly moldy layers beneath it. Very few truly bad games are made these days and the ones that are are either cheap indy trash or multiplayer games with broken netcode. Back in the day you might buy a 50 dollar game based solely on box art only to find it unplayable or with only an hour's worth of content. It was also the pre-patch era so although there were fewer bugs in release builds, the ones that were there would not ever be fixed.

I've said this before, but I think you're right, there's fewer truly bad games in the strictest sense. As boring as I find Spider-Man it's probably still a million times better than 90% of the retro games in the series. But I also think there's fewer truly good games, too.

Basically there's fewer turds but also fewer masterpieces. Personally there's nothing I'd call a masterpiece from 7th gen on, at least not in the genres I prefer.

Embracer cancelling projects left and right
Sony firing Ryan for low profits, while cancelling games
Epic going through a round of staff lay-offs with Fortnite
Activision gone up for sale
Ubisoft going up for sale
Sega cancelling a game worth $1 billion

No pattern emerging here.

Video Game Crash 2 plz.

 

[Betonhaus]

Embracer cancelling projects left and right
Sony firing Ryan for low profits, while cancelling games
Epic going through a round of staff lay-offs with Fortnite
Activision gone up for sale
Ubisoft going up for sale
Sega cancelling a game worth $1 billion

No pattern emerging here.

Larian Studios seems to be doing ok, but they aren't publicly traded

 

[Waifu Denier]

Actually, no, most of their shareholders aren't Japanese. In fact, this was mentioned in the leaked Microsoft email; one of Nintendo's more aggressive shareholders is ValueAct, who used to have representation on the Microsoft board of directors. The sixth largest shareholder in Nintendo is The Vanguard Group, who are American. The second largest is the Saudi prince owned Public Investment Fund. Foreign owners make up the majority of Nintendo's investors.

Technically it's around 46% foreign investors, the largest of which is JP Morgan because if I recall they issue the NTDOY ADR to allow people to buy shares on the NYSE instead of just the Tokyo Stock Exchange. The 10% of treasury stock Nintendo holds means nothing, it's just inert and has no voting, just for the company to buy back shares to increase the price. In any case, the first people they would have to float any offer to would be the board of directors, and if you look at the Nintendo board, it just all old guard japanese.

 

[Betonhaus]

Technically it's around 46% foreign investors, the largest of which is JP Morgan because if I recall they issue the NTDOY ADR to allow people to buy shares on the NYSE instead of just the Tokyo Stock Exchange. The 10% of treasury stock Nintendo holds means nothing, it's just inert and has no voting, just for the company to buy back shares to increase the price. In any case, the first people they would have to float any offer to would be the board of directors, and if you look at the Nintendo board, it just all old guard Japanese.

If I recall correctly, a lot of investor questions meeting involve them finding very polite ways to say "that is incredibly stupid and will tank our business, no way in hell will we do that" to the demands from investors to make more money

 

[whatever I feel like]

Basically there's fewer turds but also fewer masterpieces. Personally there's nothing I'd call a masterpiece from 7th gen on, at least not in the genres I prefer.

And which are those?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

And which are those?

Genres? JRPGs, fighting games, and platformers mainly. Of those I'd say platformers have fared best, but I still think the best of the genre is past.

 

[zyclonPD]

Nintendo controls too much of their stock for a hostile takeover, and acquisitions don't just work by writing a check for the market value of a company and they're suddenly yours. They have to actually agree to the terms. Legitimately, Microsoft have brain rot when it comes to nintendo, this is about as retarded as them thinking buying rare gave them control of donkey kong.

Japan has a law that prevents foreign investors from buying their domestic companies without Japanese government approval.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/27/japan-to-limit-foreign-ownership-of-firms-in-tech-and-telecom-sectors.html

The best speculation I've seen about the Nintendo purchase plan was it was either an opening exchange to widen talks for other things or just a speculative plan that would never have seen the light of day if not for the accidental document attachment.

Overall I think it was not a big deal and people are giving it more air time than it deserves because people need console war talking points.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Hell, show me how many of Sega Dreamcast controllers developed stick drift or any issues related to them.

How am I supposed to do that?

You could try using a few Sega Dreamcast controllers. It has genuinely terrible analog sticks and I have had several controllers over the years where the analogs are in poor condition. Magnetic sensors didn't save them at all.

Do you hate reliability and longevity or what?

Long term reliability would be making the components on the board easily swappable rather than needing to solder in new components.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Japan has a law that prevents foreign investors from buying their domestic companies without Japanese government approval.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/27/jap...hip-of-firms-in-tech-and-telecom-sectors.html

Its a relatively new rule, probably more aimed at stopping Chinese investment rather than foreign investment in general. I also don't think it covers video games, since it only applies to "20 sectors in information and communications industries", as reported in the article, so it probably doesn't apply to Nintendo. Multiple video game companies have fallen under foreign ownership or seen foreign stakes in them increase to over 10% since this law passed. Such as SNK getting bought out first by the Chinese, then the Saudis.

Technically it's around 46% foreign investors, the largest of which is JP Morgan because if I recall they issue the NTDOY ADR to allow people to buy shares on the NYSE instead of just the Tokyo Stock Exchange.

The largest foreign investor is the Saudi own Public Investment Fund. It's also the second largest owner of Nintendo stock in Nintendo Co. LTD. (the actual Japanese firm) behind Nintendo themselves (see here under "Shareholders"). The Public Investment Fund becoming the largest foreign investor in Nintendo was widely reported at the time. The largest shareholder of the Nintendo Co. LTD. unsponsored ADR is The London Company of Virginia.

 

[Waifu Denier]

The largest foreign investor is the Saudi own Public Investment Fund. It's also the second largest owner of Nintendo stock in Nintendo Co. LTD. (the actual Japanese firm) behind Nintendo themselves (see here under "Shareholders"). The Public Investment Fund becoming the largest foreign investor in Nintendo was widely reported at the time. The largest shareholder of the Nintendo Co. LTD. unsponsored ADR is The London Company of Virginia.

Nintendo themselves, under their investor relations page, provide a breakdown of the major groups of shareholders

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Nintendo themselves, under their investor relations page, provide a breakdown of the major groups of shareholders
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Yeah, I didn't really dispute the amount of investors, though its nice to have confirmation that foreign investors due in fact make up the majority of their investors.

 

[Two Dollars]

Yeah, I didn't really dispute the amount of investors, though its nice to have confirmation that foreign investors due in fact make up the majority of their investors.

Foreign Institutions and Individuals: 45.99%
Treasury (one person who I’d assume is Japanese) : 10.35%
Other Japanese Investors: 42.66%