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Spaced Outside Cargo said:
They really should have just sold it as an enthusiast developer tool for those purposes.
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They did. Kinect for Windows, Kinect 2.0 for Windows (this is the Xbox One version), and Azure Kinect. Problem is, they're really not good for much more than a low-end mocap & 3D camera. Why buy one new when you can get a used one at Gamestop for $20 and everything you need to hook it up to your PC for another $20?

Azure Kinect was more or less Microsoft's way of saying "Well, we have this technology, you figure out what to do with it". It's dead now. Kinect died with a whimper.

Two Dollars said:
It’s also puzzling how Sony came in at the same time with Playstation Move, an even more shameless Wii knockoff, which also tanked, then brought it back for the PS4 as part of PSVR, and no one ever mentions any of this. As always, it’s okay when Sony does it.

At least Kinect tried to do something new. PS Move was just a Wiimote with a plastic ball strapped to it.
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Move actually worked very well. It was Sony's way of perfecting the Wiimote formula. But that doesn't translate to sales. Sports Champion may be a technically better game than Wii Sports, but it was three years late and had no charm.

Kinect was falsely advertised at E3. They made it look like a completely new, totally immersive thing, but it turned out to be only good for exaggerated movements, so the only things that worked well were stiff dance games that scanned your pose.
 
Fcret said:
It never comes up because Sony never bet the entire farm on Move. Move was a one-off gimmick with some neat games but never pushed and then quietly retired.
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They did but in a cheaper way, the lights("can we please turn them off?" Sony: NO!) on the PS4 controller was their Wii-response that shipped with every console.
 
Two Dollars said:
Mega Man 12, releasing in 2027, will launch on a 14 year old console. I know it’s a 2D platformer and will probably run well enough on it, but fucking hell.
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Considering how prohibitively expensive PC and console hardware has become and how this trend is going to keep getting worse because of the AI bubble, it could be argued buying a second hand PS4 is the most cost effective way to still access relatively modern gaming. The back catalog is there and with plenty of physical PS4 games out in the second hand market it is worth considering for someone who is on a tight budget.

The PS4 will have its life stretched longer than expected because of how bad things are because of the RAM shortages. I fully expect all new consoles getting a price hike again next year. Developers are gonna have to learn again how to properly optimize for lower end hardware because consumers are going to stick with their current hardware for longer if this trend continues.
 
Belvedere said:
Considering how prohibitively expensive PC and console hardware has become and how this trend is going to keep getting worse because of the AI bubble, it could be argued buying a second hand PS4 is the most cost effective way to still access relatively modern gaming. The back catalog is there and with plenty of physical PS4 games out in the second hand market it is worth considering for someone who is on a tight budget.

The PS4 will have its life stretched longer than expected because of how bad things are because of the RAM shortages. I fully expect all new consoles getting a price hike again next year. Developers are gonna have to learn again how to properly optimize for lower end hardware because consumers are going to stick with their current hardware for longer if this trend continues.
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What are you talking about, PCs aren't hard to buy these days, most games that matter(ie up to 8th gen) don't require hardware that costs much, Steam/GOG/Epic/Emulators and more make thousands of games easily accessible and a computer actually has a purpose outside of being a glorified DVD player if you take away the gaming, unlike a PS4 or an Xbox One or any of these other consoles. It has never been better to be a PC gamer, especially since there are barely any exclusives anymore outside of Nintendo games.
 
30+GameOvers said:
What are you talking about, PCs aren't hard to buy these days, most games that matter(ie up to 8th gen) don't require hardware that costs much, Steam/GOG/Epic/Emulators and more make thousands of games easily accessible and a computer actually has a purpose outside of being a glorified DVD player if you take away the gaming, unlike a PS4 or an Xbox One or any of these other consoles. It has never been better to be a PC gamer, especially since there are barely any exclusives anymore outside of Nintendo games.
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Look up ram prices
 
Soggy Floppa said:
Look up ram prices
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Irrelevant, these will go down over time and you don't need that much to play the best games ever released. They can be played on a potato gaming laptop, you only need a "gaming PC" to play the few good games released over the last 10-6 years or so. PS4 always was, and always will be, an inferior PC since it has zero exclusives outside of Bloodbourne(which can be emulated now, lol) and the consoles themselves are getting on in age. Market for them will get smaller and smaller until they become a "retro console", meanwhile you can play 99% of the same games on PC and have a better experience(mods, better performance, mouse+keyboard, de-censorship if any is present ect.).

When GPUs were expensive and hard to get, that didn't stop people from getting PCs and playing games on them, either. In fact, around that time I noticed there were quite a few groups that started gaming on PC for one reason or another(for example, consoles dying out), huge GPU prices didn't stop them because you didn't need the best, or even new, GPU to play most games and you still don't now either. Same deal with RAM, you can buy it used if need be. The prices will go down eventually, this is just a stopgap solution for now.
 
Soggy Floppa said:
look up used prices
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I don't need to, it will pass. Panic buying a PS4 due to a temporary shortage or a bubble is retarded, you will be able to get a good gaming PC or laptop fit for the purposes of most people for a good price regardless. I guess this is a blessing in disguise, people might have to stop playing all these new unoptimized slop games and go back to playing old ones that any laptop can run these days. Based?
 
its not temporary, openai has bought up all the ram being produced until 2028 and one of the few ram manufacturers in the world has pulled out of the consumer market entirely, the shortage will go to at least 2030 and that's extremely optimistic
 
Soggy Floppa said:
its not temporary, openai has bought up all the ram being produced until 2028 and one of the few ram manufacturers in the world has pulled out of the consumer market entirely, the shortage will go to at least 2030 and that's extremely optimistic
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Shit, I guess people will have to stop playing crappy modern games and go back to Gen 7th titles that can be played easily on any computer nowdays. My RAM and most of my components are over 10 years old, I have a newer computer but I have no need for it since I still do my gaming here, it simply won't die. You really think if I can still play games as recent as ones from 2019-2020 and sometimes even more modern in some cases when my specs barely cover the day one Xbox One, people with better budgets and better hardware won't?


Time for players to make smart investments and stop playing shitty games, PS4 ain't it and that hasn't changed. I guess now would be a good time to make content on how to best put together a PC, at a budget, and that's all that's going to change. Even if all PCs failed overnight, PS4 is still a shitty way to go, 7th gen and even 6th gen consoles are superior and then there is mobile phones that can play/emulate a surprising amount of games too nowdays, plus The Switch which is de-facto winner of the last two console wars. PS4 and Xbox One are just shitty PCs with less features, therfore as long as one good gaming PC exists in the world, they are an inferior option.
 
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Soggy Floppa said:
its not temporary, openai has bought up all the ram being produced until 2028 and one of the few ram manufacturers in the world has pulled out of the consumer market entirely, the shortage will go to at least 2030 and that's extremely optimistic
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To add on top of this, a lot of DDR4 production has been axed this year and expected to be done in entirely by this coming year.

Your literal best bet in terms of RAM for cheap is DDR3 (which is slower than DDR4 by a decent amount), which means you need to go hunting for a motherboard and CPU that has a memory controller for it (the entire Ryzen CPU line doesn't have it) and if you don't go for used, your only option are random no name companies selling ITX motherboards that are Intel Only (and only then up to Socket 1151 IIRC).
 
Computer Guardian said:
To add on top of this, a lot of DDR4 production has been axed this year and expected to be done in entirely by this coming year.

Your literal best bet in terms of RAM for cheap is DDR3 (which is slower than DDR4 by a decent amount), which means you need to go hunting for a motherboard and CPU that has a memory controller for it (the entire Ryzen CPU line doesn't have it) and if you don't go for used, your only option are random no name companies selling ITX motherboards that are Intel Only (and only then up to Socket 1151 IIRC).
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Alternatives will pop up and it's not like the current hardware is going to be used up anytime soon. Like I said, my RAM is over 10 years old and works fine. It will take quite a miracle for soyniggers to have their little toy be the superior choice for playing any kinds of games unless we witness an actual apocalyptic scenario that leaves most PCs worldwide unusable, and not this little bubble that people are overblowing right now. I survived the GPU bubble and even bought a new card during it without bankrupting myself, the market will stabilize and so will consumers and their needs. PS4 will always be an inferior PC no matter what happens.
 
Belvedere said:
Considering how prohibitively expensive PC and console hardware has become and how this trend is going to keep getting worse because of the AI bubble, it could be argued buying a second hand PS4 is the most cost effective way to still access relatively modern gaming
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Even secondhand, they're usually around $100-$150. Like yes, it's probably the cheapest way to get into relatively modern gaming but you're getting pretty bad performance per dollar. I booted up my PS4 Pro a few months ago and was kinda shocked by just how bad everything performs on it after getting used to gaming on PS5 and a modern PC.

I know this is the Sony hate thread, but apparently Sony's stockpiled enough GDDR6 to ride out the current ramflation. Honestly the $399 PS5 Slim isn't a terrible option if you have nothing else.
 
Fcret said:
I know this is the Sony hate thread, but apparently Sony's stockpiled enough GDDR6 to ride out the current ramflation. Honestly the $399 PS5 Slim isn't a terrible option if you have nothing else.
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Sony also built a fuckton of PS5s before tarriffs, gpu prices and inflation, it didn't stop them trying to sell a four year old console £100 more expensive than when it launched.

The PS6 will be more expensive than the PS5PRO because the only thing Sony drops is excuses of why the price must go up.
 
Fcret said:
I know this is the Sony hate thread, but apparently Sony's stockpiled enough GDDR6 to ride out the current ramflation. Honestly the $399 PS5 Slim isn't a terrible option if you have nothing else.
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They also bragged about the ps5 having enough production outside of china to be completely tariff-proof literally the week before raising the price and blaming tariffs.
 
30+GameOvers said:
Irrelevant, these will go down over time
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Not irrelevant. Only three companies manufacture ALL DRAM modules in the world. One of them (Micron) just decided to completely exit the consumer market (no more Crucial and other popular, high-quality brands) to focus solely on supplying AI customers. No Dell, HP, Valve, etc., only B2B for the big AI customers.

Now there are literally only two manufacturers WORLWIDE who still produce memory for consumer purchase and for consumer PCs.

Since you seem to think this is only a speed bump, just for comparison, when Micron made its announcement, DDR5 module prices more than quadrupled overnight after years of stability:
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Those aren't scalpers, either. CCC tracks best prices and in particular that green line tracks only trusted vendors.

30+GameOvers said:
Alternatives will pop up
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DRAM production requires very specialized equipment. It takes years to construct fabrication plants that can produce these modules. They're not as nasty as CPU production, but we're not talking about renting out a slice of a strip mall, slapping a couple machines in the back and dumping sand in the hopper here.

Alternatives will eventually pop up, yes, but that will be years from now.

Also, Samsung also announced Friday they're not manufacturing SATA SSDs anymore either. They're still making NVM.e variants, but not SATA. Guess how many modern motherboards still have at least 4 SATA ports ... give up? All of them. Many modern motherboards also have NVM.e sockets, but not all. Samsung are among just a handful of companies producing flash memory modules, and now they've canceled production of the world's most popular SSD form factor.

This is going to hurt everyone. Consumers first (because of course), but even B2B is going to suffer from this shortage. Console makers are not immune. This industry, renowned for its 100% truthful statements and for absolutely never ever lying about anything whatsoever, had better hope it really does have years' worth of inventory, because the next time they want to spin up their manufacturing to crank out more units, their accountants are going to hang themselves.
 
moocow said:
Alternatives will eventually pop up, yes, but that will be years from now.
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Well, glad we agree then, this is only a temporary problem, or a bubble if you will. Maybe people shouldn't put all their eggs in one fucking basket, it's always a retarded idea, and now they will pay the price until someone can start producing more. In the meantime, there is more than enough hardware to go around, there is retarded amount of spare computer parts and old computers laying around if they need to be scrapped or sold to someone else. None of that makes PS4 a better gaming choice and never will.
 
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