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X Prime said:
I wish I could say it's just the Westerners, but no it's also the nips too if FF7 is any indication.
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People really underestimate how sloppified Japan has gotten. While it's not to quite the same level as the big western studios, there's staggering sloppification going on. Capcom, Squeenix, Konami, and KT have all had major sloppa moments in the past year.
 
Fcret said:
People really underestimate how sloppified Japan has gotten. While it's not to quite the same level as the big western studios, there's staggering sloppification going on. Capcom, Squeenix, Konami, and KT have all had major sloppa moments in the past year.
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The only mainstream JRPG series I have any hope in anymore remains Dragon Quest, mostly because of just how beloved that series is in Japan that it might actually lead to open revolt if a Dragon Quest game is shit…
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
The only mainstream JRPG series I have any hope in anymore remains Dragon Quest, mostly because of just how beloved that series is in Japan that it might actually lead to open revolt if a Dragon Quest game is shit…
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Well the studio making DQXII is the same one that made DQ7R and uhhh... it's not looking good.
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
The only mainstream JRPG series I have any hope in anymore remains Dragon Quest, mostly because of just how beloved that series is in Japan that it might actually lead to open revolt if a Dragon Quest game is shit…
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Didn't you hear the news about a year ago? That series is getting the modern SE treatment. A re-imagining of it's battle system and a more "mature" nature. It's fucking doomed.

And as Fcret said above, if that is indeed true.. Yikes. 7-R was a complete bastardization. They cut out entire towns!
 
pikachudidnothingwrong said:
Didn't you hear the news about a year ago? That series is getting the modern SE treatment. A re-imagining of it's battle system and a more "mature" nature. It's fucking doomed.
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God fucking damnit.

I vaguely remembered that, but it sounded stupid enough that I had largely dismissed it. DQ has its formula and its worked for literal decades to the point a mainline DQ game might as well be a National Holiday in Japan, if they manage to fuck that up I kinda want to see what the reaction would be.

Beyond “Nothing ever happens.”
 
Sunflower Samurai said:
they make your entire body be engulfed in a really jarring effect
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That looks AWFUL
They just put a fire texture over the character's body.

The other one is an actual particle effect around it.

Soggy Floppa said:
Rim lighting and slight cel shading. Also notice the complete lack of overexposure and washed out dead appearance across everything. Bluepoint thought the color choice was a technical limitation. See how the remake has a green tinge across everything.
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The character's body too thats not dirt that's corruption.
But bluepoint makes it look worse.

The only people I ever saw like the Demon's Souls remake were streamers who had never played the original.
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
God fucking damnit.

I vaguely remembered that, but it sounded stupid enough that I had largely dismissed it. DQ has its formula and its worked for literal decades to the point a mainline DQ game might as well be a National Holiday in Japan, if they manage to fuck that up I kinda want to see what the reaction would be.

Beyond “Nothing ever happens.”
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Understand your reaction. same.. -_-'

A lot of those things were backed up directly by interviews with the creative heads of the studio and game sadly. Best case scenario is we don't quite end up with FF XV's battle system and XVI's "maturity". Not high bars. No fanservice, cute outfits, playfulness, lightheartedness or humor are likely what was meant by "mature," but dark, gritty, depressing and "realistic" aren't off the table if they are trying to take the series mainstream for the west. ugh


I don't have high expectations for the newest generation of Japanese game playing public either. Remember that BotW and TotK tend to take the top two spots of polls/rankings of zelda games by the gaming public now.
 
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Fcret said:
People really underestimate how sloppified Japan has gotten.
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Older creator who thought they'd only get better and wiser with ageare are simply in denial about bing long past their prime.
Media conglomerates led by retard corpos have ling began to take shape, causing titles to grow flanderized for the sake of increasing the audience.
New creators lives in confort and grows drowing in an enviroment filled with shitty tropes, built by people who can't do better than ape their superiors and western slop.

Hard times makes Strong men.
Strong men makes good times.
Good times makes weak men.
Weak men makes hard times.

Inevitably, we have reached the 4th line of the meme.
Wodanaz said:
Dogshit american studio. Kill yourselves.
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Despite how shit the art direction and soundtrack was in DeS remake, I don't really hate them enough to dance on their graves.
Especially considering that they still kept tendencies untouched, but mostly due to what those faggots at sony DIDN'T fucking axed.
X Prime said:
Normies gonna normie.
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Its kinda funny how franchises dies to the eyes of fans when companies finally making them appellable to normies and dudebros, which also makes them successful.
Then wokefication became a thing, same approach, different target demographic, reduced earnings.
 
Strangolapreti said:
New creators lives in confort and grows drowing in an enviroment filled with shitty tropes, built by people who can't do better than ape their superiors and western slop.
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I saw a Japanese guy on X talking about how modern Japanese creatives basically live in the domestic otaku media bubble which is why everything has gotten so derivative and schlocky. It brought a lot of stuff into focus for me.

Reminds me a lot of how many film and video game people born after like 1995 freely admit that they only watch TV/movies and never read books which causes their writing to be shit.
 
Fcret said:
Reminds me a lot of how many film and video game people born after like 1995 freely admit that they only watch TV/movies and never read books which causes their writing to be shit.
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Do reading comics/manga counts as reading books tho?
 
Fcret said:
I saw a Japanese guy on X talking about how modern Japanese creatives basically live in the domestic otaku media bubble which is why everything has gotten so derivative and schlocky. It brought a lot of stuff into focus for me.
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I have touched on this before:

X Prime said:
It's not hard to explain at all.

Older anime had to draw from influences outside of Japanese animation periodically, because it was a newish medium. They drew from Western comics, poorly translated movies, and put their own twist on it. Robocop the movie did something similar, Robocop's design is inspired by a Japanese artist who drew very chromed out robot women, as opposed to the "robot women" we see nowadays who can pass for human so they're easier to whack it to.

Newer anime has a very similar problem that the wokeshit revivals you mention do: a lot of it is incestuous drawing from the well of media the newer creators grew up with. Meaning older anime and tokusatsu. Or, to put it more bluntly, nowadays robot women are almost all variations of Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell, which may or may not be a bad example since she's actually human in a robot body, but you get the point.

It's similar in concept to what happens if you train an image generation AI on its own output.
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Fcret said:
Somewhat, but ideally you should spend time devoting your brain entirely to prose. It exercises the language part of your brain which is what you need for your writing to not be hacky bullshit.
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Prose is a skill that has been going down overtime due to the advancement of visual media, but while that's an issue on itself, the real problem, which is tied to it, is the evergrowing degradation of attention span.

Its not just reading, its the whole skipping text and abriging the main experience so that you watch a recap on tiktok/youtube later and the soiling of your interests from watching long and intelligent media to slop, which comes both in the form of aformentioned shorts, but also stupid shit that represents nothing, tells nothing but is watched because its popular, a person you think is popular promoted it to you or it features a popular character/actor.

To put an exaple: even something as basic as Dragon Ball Z brings food for the brain outside the action: the battle between Goku and Vegeta in the desert is a classic example of the battle between birthright or natural talent (embodied by Vegeta) against skill grown and developed trough effort and exercize (embodied by Goku), meanwhile slop like dragon ball heroes is just a bunch of action figures nonsensically fighting against each other.

Cave art predates cuneiform, but neither visual media nor writing are a replacement to the other, even if there are cases where one or the other isn't necessarily needed: sometimes silence is worth more than a thousand words, other times a single adjective can be more powerful than any visual representation one can provide.

The truth is that corporates don't want 2001 a space odissey, they want skibidi toilet, and so does their target demographic (normies and niggers), who have no brain nor attention spam.
That is why the triple A drifts toward making the fortnites, the maddens, the cods and fallout 4s, titles that appeals to the lowest common denominator, with no taste nor aftertought.

And even then, when corpos do still let people make some long and intelligent game, the writers behind it are pretentious hacks, who aren't intelligent, but rather entitled intellectuals, and liberal extremists, because a good ESG score allow for refunding some of the money spent financing the game, and the target demographic isn't gamers but the game journalists and redditors of this world.
That's why neil cuckmann still gets to work, or why outer worlds got a sequel.
 
X Prime said:
I have a related question and am not certain where to ask it:

I keep seeing back and forth over whether Ghosts of Yotei underperformed or not. My memory is saying it did and Sony is obfuscating that by citing unusual numbers they wouldn't normally cite. Is my memory failing me?
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The tl;dr is that it made money but underperformed by failing to exceed or even match the success of the original. In the short term, Sony can be both happy that the game succeeded, but disappointed that it didn't meet expectations. In the long term, GoY didn't advance the franchise at all and in all likelihood damaged it. You can think of it like the Switch era Pokemon games, they all made tons of money, but they've definitely harmed the franchise and it's not clear how long Pokemon will continue to be a household name.
 
volatile puar said:
You can think of it like the Switch era Pokemon games, they all made tons of money, but they've definitely harmed the franchise and it's not clear how long Pokemon will continue to be a household name.
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You say that, but there have been at least three outright bad major Pokemon games on the Switch, and they still hit ridiculous sales figures. Just in the last few days, you’ve had tons of people soyfacing at the privilege to pay $20 for a GBA rom, which will easily sell 5 million in a matter of weeks because Pokemon fans have zero standards.
 
Two Dollars said:
You say that, but there have been at least three outright bad major Pokemon games on the Switch, and they still hit ridiculous sales figures. Just in the last few days, you’ve had tons of people soyfacing at the privilege to pay $20 for a GBA rom, which will easily sell 5 million in a matter of weeks because Pokemon fans have zero standards.
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Legends Z-A sold less than Legends Arceus despite the sub-series being promoted from spin-off to main-line, with a larger install base to sell to, and with an unusually long wait between Pokemon games. That's despite the fact that it did better than Arceus in Japan, which means that the comparison in the west is even worse. Does that mean that the next Pokemon game will fail? No, of course not, but if Pokemon continues at it's current trajectory, it will lose relevance, potentially even within 10 years. Pokemon is a franchise that captured 2 generations of gamers, both millennials and zoomers, but there's no way it's going to capture gen alpha at this rate, and it seems to be losing the zoomers (maybe even the millennials).
 
I think Pokemon has definitely peaked and is in the "slow" decline phase (in terms of the game quality) but until there is a direct competitor that eats its lunch (like what happened with the last SimCity and Cities Skylines) it will just coast on past success and an unusually big base of superfan consooomers who would buy a bag of donkey shit with a pokeball on it.
Also, technically Gamefreak could also just not make garbage for once and completely turn this around by actually putting in a minimum of effort, which they may actually do once they see numbers declining. Especially with them theoretically having a shitton of money to do that with.
 
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