Speedrunning Thread (Take 2) - GOTTA GO FAST

[AltisticRight]

Why would you cheat at a speedrun of a 25-year-old game? It's not money since almost nobody gets paid for speedrunning. If it's fame, perhaps he should consider that almost nobody cares about your video game achievements. What's the point? I legitimately want to pick this guy's brain and ask what he thought he had to gain by this.

The popular ones do it for a living, making money off merch, twitch bits, and subscriptions. Not sure how good the pay is, but it's definitely enough to sustain a living if they've been doing it for this long.

Also, a game that old is more challenging but also more optimised. Appeals to these autists. I personally prefer Breath of the Wild speedruns because it's genuinely fun to watch and optimised enough.

There's also this recent shit surrounding Dream cheating in 1.16 Meinkrampft speedruns. He modified drops to get better RNG and got busted. Interests me because statistics are involved and there's potential, very autistic drama coming out. Appeals to the mathfag and internet autism in me, rare sight. This faggot cheater has over 10 million subscribers.

Mod team video:

Not a lot of issues aside from the use of a binomial distribution on something that's clearly not random, but close enough.

His response:

Many problems and dimwitted fallacies. Wonder who this astrostatistician Harvard PhD is.

The website he hired that assstatistician from is weird.

The Harvard PhD astroturfstatistician made some python mistake.

Apparently some verified rocket scientist with 1 million karma from Reddit responded. He got shut down, lol. Now they made an r/dreamwastaken2.

My verdict is simple, he cheated.
The mod team's response wasn't perfect, but better than his. Now I'll go read those reports just to waste more time.

 

[BLEACHED.COM]

Why would you cheat at a speedrun of a 25-year-old game? It's not money since almost nobody gets paid for speedrunning. If it's fame, perhaps he should consider that almost nobody cares about your video game achievements. What's the point? I legitimately want to pick this guy's brain and ask what he thought he had to gain by this.

He was probably trying to cash in on the exposure such a run would give him, needless to say it backfired badly. It reminds me of Chibi's I LIKE THAT JUMP episode.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

I'll always feel like cheating at speed running is akin to entering the special Olympics with a speech impediment. Its obvious you're cheating and you look like a gigantic retard.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

My verdict is simple, he cheated.
The mod team's response wasn't perfect, but better than his. Now I'll go read those reports just to waste more time.

Yeah from what I gathered it seems like his tactic was to cast just enough doubt on the initial analysis to give his fans an excuse to disregard the whole thing. Sure, none of it holds up to scrutiny (or so it seems to me, a brainlet), but if there is a version of the story that goes "he got a professor to redo the analysis and he said the mods were wrong in some parts", his supporters will hold on to that and mostly ignore what comes after (hence the bans in his subreddit) and that's enough for him to save face.

I don't know what types of content he makes normally, but he put some emphasis on how he doesn't really do speedruns a lot anyway since they don't do well, so he probably will use that as an excuse to phase out that type of content. A few months down the line speedrunners will have no reason to call him out anymore and he can just sweep it under the rug.

 

[AltisticRight]

Yeah from what I gathered it seems like his tactic was to cast just enough doubt on the initial analysis to give his fans an excuse to disregard the whole thing. Sure, none of it holds up to scrutiny (or so it seems to me, a brainlet), but if there is a version of the story that goes "he got a professor to redo the analysis and he said the mods were wrong in some parts", his supporters will hold on to that and mostly ignore what comes after (hence the bans in his subreddit) and that's enough for him to save face.

I don't know what types of content he makes normally, but he put some emphasis on how he doesn't really do speedruns a lot anyway since they don't do well, so he probably will use that as an excuse to phase out that type of content. A few months down the line speedrunners will have no reason to call him out anymore and he can just sweep it under the rug.

I did a little more digging. The so called PhD he hired is likely educated but probably not qualified, and that website is very very questionable. The PhD got some very basic shit wrong, such as bartering events being mutually exclusive. It doesn't matter if he stopped after getting the desired amount of pearl drops as it's a "grab a ball from a bag and put it back" sort of thing. One trade doesn't have any impact on the next. There are plenty games however that does use a system like this. Such as after 9 shitty drops, the 10th will be something good.

Dream also raised countless dumb and fallacious points that would only convince normies. The two seeds thing is stupid, the thing about low lottery chances but it happens is also retarded.

His content is actually extremely entertaining. While I won't call myself a massive fan, it does appeal to me. The manhunt shit is fun to watch and the creative ways they mod the game and try to play it is interesting. I've had some of them playing while I work multiple times, so I suppose I can be considered a fan, or at least a big fan of a particular series or concept. That response he made was just a giant PR stunt.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

That response he made was just a giant PR stunt.

I also wonder if he's setting up the mods with the whole monetization thing. If they weren't already planning on implementing the anti-cheat methods he talked about, he basically puts the burden of either accepting the money and committing to a large project they didn't feel they could do before (you can't compensate for everything with money, plus he said himself they're a team of young, inexperienced volunteers) or refusing his money and giving the whole bias angle more play. And if they accept and fuck up along the way (seems very likely, either by honest failure or from people fucking around with the money), they look even less trustworthy in hindsight which helps his story.

ETA:
He made a response on his twitter a few days back.

https://archive.md/k14yh

EZScape also interviewed one of the mods when this all started for additional context.

Starts around 11 minutes in. Notably, the mod claims Dream didn't want this submitted to a third party for analysis because he thinks third parties are always biased towards their employer (so on top of all the weird website stuff, the guy he hired isn't even trustworthy by his own standards), but that's just on the mod's word.

 

[Tiki Bar Man]

Dream cheated without a single doubt. just another situation of someone having a fan base with blind devoted kids and normies makes it so he can literally do anything and he will be defended. People just can't open their eyes and always have to do some weird pragmatic " hey both sides could be wrong" take with everything. I don't get it. Even something like this cheater in this video who should be immediately thrown out of the community and disregarded completely, still has defenders and even people in the comments saying " duhh well IT COULD be real, maybe he been practicing hurrd"

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Dream cheated without a single doubt. just another situation of someone having a fan base with blind devoted kids and normies makes it so he can literally do anything and he will be defended. People just can't open their eyes and always have to do some weird pragmatic " hey both sides could be wrong" take with everything. I don't get it. Even something like this cheater in this video who should be immediately thrown out of the community and disregarded completely, still has defenders and even people in the comments saying " duhh well IT COULD be real, maybe he been practicing hurrd"

This case really baffles me. The admin made a simple request, it would have taken maybe 5 seconds to clear himself. If I was about to be given a gold medal and huge recognition for something, but the judges wanted me to tie my shoes, I'd fucking tie my goddamn shoes at the speed of light. Anyone that defends that fucking idiot at all is a braindead simp.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Why would you cheat at a speedrun of a 25-year-old game? It's not money since almost nobody gets paid for speedrunning. If it's fame, perhaps he should consider that almost nobody cares about your video game achievements. What's the point? I legitimately want to pick this guy's brain and ask what he thought he had to gain by this.

SM64 is perhaps the biggest speed game ever and this feat, if he had somehow actually done it, would probably be enough to get him on news stories if he was at all personable.

 

[Wild Wild Sonichu]

Any of you saw/heard about this tard? He faked a blindfolded SM64 run but the nigger didn't even try to make it look legit. His last stream on Twitch was 3 weeks ago but he seems to stream on Facebook now (?).

https://youtu.be/Hdzo0IXtrtI

His Speedrun.com profile.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I got that video about his cheating recommended from the (((Algorithm))) a couple of days back.

Why would you cheat at a speedrun of a 25-year-old game? It's not money since almost nobody gets paid for speedrunning. If it's fame, perhaps he should consider that almost nobody cares about your video game achievements. What's the point? I legitimately want to pick this guy's brain and ask what he thought he had to gain by this.

Blindfolded speedruns are usually seen as far rarer and far higher skill, to the point that people usually watch them for skill alone, like with that blindfolded Punch Out speedrun in GDQ being one of the most popular videos on their youtube channel.

The problem here is that, as already said, it's obvious as fuck he faked it and clearly isn't good at speedrunning Mario 64, especially when so many people dedicate even more time to it. I'd guess whatever amount of attention he gets from a stream chat (And potential donations) are enough for him, since he apparently didn't upload anything else to Speedrun.com

With regards to the Dream stuff; After the video with Geosquire, EZscape followed up with it on a stream that's unfortunately not been edited down and posted to his youtube channel yet. May be worth holding out for, honestly.

 

[I can't imagine]

This case really baffles me. The admin made a simple request, it would have taken maybe 5 seconds to clear himself. If I was about to be given a gold medal and huge recognition for something, but the judges wanted me to tie my shoes, I'd fucking tie my goddamn shoes at the speed of light. Anyone that defends that fucking idiot at all is a braindead simp.

Pretty much. The run itself is completely reasonable and obviously possible to do, unlikely though it might be given his past PBs. But if you're already under suspicion for cheating and have been given direct instructions on verification...well, then there's a pretty obvious conclusion to take from it.

I'm interested to see Karl's take on the Dream situation, which apparently will released on New Year's Eve. I'm pretty sure I can guess his conclusion, but I'm sure his take will be interesting enough on its own to warrant the video.

 

[AltisticRight]

Dream cheated without a single doubt. just another situation of someone having a fan base with blind devoted kids and normies makes it so he can literally do anything and he will be defended. People just can't open their eyes and always have to do some weird pragmatic " hey both sides could be wrong" take with everything.

The speedrunning scene is filled with dumb soyboys who want to coddle feels. Simple conclusion from the amount of meaningless nu-male buzzwords such as toxic and stans being used in those videos. Also comparing someone to Trump, as if I'm supposed to think being compared to a president of a superpower is somehow not a compliment.

That long and unnecessary document can be shrunk down to a page or two. Just the calculated numbers and the text "Bartering rewards are mutually exclusive, you cheated you stupid faggot". But no, "we want to be reasonable".

Insufferable.

 

[Tiki Bar Man]

The speedrunning scene is filled with dumb soyboys who want to coddle feels. Simple conclusion from the amount of meaningless nu-male buzzwords such as toxic and stans being used in those videos. Also comparing someone to Trump, as if I'm supposed to think being compared to a president of a superpower is somehow not a compliment.

That long and unnecessary document can be shrunk down to a page or two. Just the calculated numbers and the text "Bartering rewards are mutually exclusive, you cheated you stupid faggot". But no, "we want to be reasonable".

Insufferable.

We should just ban Brazilian speedrunners as a whole

 

[AltisticRight]

We should just ban Brazilian speedrunners as a whole

Wasn't there this meathead faggot pornstar guy that cheated in some old yugioh game, and got the top runner's channel shoahed? I can almost swear he was Brazilian too.

That's the proto Amerimutt.

 

[Boss Bass]

Dream is another fascinating example of how credulous people can be. He is most famous for these “unscripted” competitions in Minecraft which are clearly scripted between the bad acting and inconsistencies. Then in the comments it is one person after another shouting down the detractors.
This won’t hurt him in the long term.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Dream is another fascinating example of how credulous people can be. He is most famous for these “unscripted” competitions in Minecraft which are clearly scripted between the bad acting and inconsistencies. Then in the comments it is one person after another shouting down the detractors.
This won’t hurt him in the long term.

It will if he gets banned from the leaderboards, even if his autistic fans screech in his defense. Sure, it wont be a monetary hit, but his reputation will be stained.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

We should just ban Brazilian speedrunners as a whole

The speedrunning scene is filled with dumb soyboys who want to coddle feels.

Seriously nigga, I just want to beat Castlevania games fast. I don't need an audience for it, I don't need asspats, I don't need to cut my dick off. I just want to know how fast I can beat the post SOTN Castlevania games. Like, am I missing a fundamental piece of the autism required to think that people should be clapping that this is how I waste my free time?

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

I can't stand Minecraft in a speedrun context but I'm curious, are they racing a preset seed? I think the ultimate autism in the community is people who 'speedrun' roguelikes or randomizers. It can be done entertainingly like the lttp randomizer races but seeing screenshots of streamers running something like binding of Isaac with splits visible just baffles me.

 

[AltisticRight]

Yeah this guy is Brazilian.
Huehuehue cheat engine Meteor Negron Dragon those white tranny speedrun mods won't find out.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Yeah this guy is Brazilian.
Huehuehue cheat engine Meteor Negron Dragon those white tranny speedrun mods won't find out.

All of this because someone wanted to see if they could teach a gorilla sign language.

Shameful.