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[Alexander Thaut]

I don't, no. Same with Stalin being vaporized, etc. Its a bit fucked when Mark Millar provides more dignity to a character than your adaptation does.

i haven't read red son in a long while, but i'm 90% sure stalin got fucked somewhere along the line.

 

[jspit2.0]

Maybe we saw different interviews and articles Dixon wrote. In this one he mentions fanboys' ascent into both creative and managerial positions as a factor that harmed the industry.

https://archive.md/br7Fj#selection-531.0-531.410

He said as much in his interview with Ethan Van Scriver too.

I've not been ignoring you. I've been swamped. Also this probably reads salty. It's not. I just get annoyed by ignorant boomers like Chuck mixing what he wishes was the solution with the actual facts on the ground.

The difference is, I don't see being a 'fanboy' as a writer being a bad thing. The turning point is fanboys becoming editors. Also Dixon's opinions outside of his wheel house are usually pretty bad.

Mark Waid's Flash or Geoff Johns JSA didn't hurt comics. Busiek Marvels didn't hurt comics. Those fucking sold.

Axel Alonso, big Vertigo fanboy, Joe Quesada, huge DKR/Watchmen fanboy, and Andy Khouri, faggot fanboy, rising into editorial positions hurt comics.

Besides that, big problem with fanboys is that they sometimes like characters or certain versions of them to the point it becomes detrimental. That can extend to both writing and company's management. These sentiments led to Marvel and DC ditching most of their non-superhero titles, writers playing favorites with characters, writing stories inaccessible to someone who is not as obsessed with characters, or writing bad self-inserts so they can live vicariously through them and hang out with their favorite superheroes.
Of course, people obsessed with ideology are even worse. They see art as little more than means to spread their propaganda.

Batman alone has consistently outsold every DC Vertigoshit title over the last twenty years. DC cancelling its non-superhero titles was a desperate act of self preservation. They sold horribly and when you cut the worst selling titles, surprise! It's not Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, et cet. Vertigo shit.

This is a case of a bad argument for expanding the market place.

Chuck does the same thing. "Oh. It's not diverse enough. My favorite manga is a golf manga!"

Fucking....retarded. How much does the golf manga sell, Chuck? The thing that kicked this off, Demon Slayer. Do you read Demon Slayer? It's generic Shonen. Young boy develops magic powers and fights bad guys. It's the Japanese version of superheroes. Manga has shit, like golf manga, because its fucking healthy. Its fucking healthy for allot of fucking reasons. A big one is that they do their big tent poles right!

What mainstream comics need is not to put out ten golf comics. It needs to get its shit together. It starts with the big guys. Success runs down and when comics are healthy you'll get your fucking alt shit selling better.

those first two you listed are almost ten years old tho. DC's recent track record from like, the last 3 years has not been good.

We live and hope.

Red Son made Superman a murdering dick, killing joke made Batman a terrible ally to Barbara and Dick and Jim. It's like the tits in charge don't understand the relationships they're depicting or characters. Red Hood was alright.

I miss JLU.

Red Son Superman was a story about how even Superman was corrupted by the evil Soviet Union system. Its a well written, subtle, nuanced book. Completely uncharacteristic of Mark Millar. Not coincidentally its also if not his best work, among them.

The movie tried to tone down Red Son's best moments, completely axed Wonder Woman's entire story and replaced it with a woke one, and may be the worst adaptation DC has put out in terms of butchery.

Killing Joke is split between the wholly created first half and the second half adapting the novel.

The first half is more or less in line with the Timm animated series. It's canon Bruce did that to Dick and Barbara in the TAS continuity. Whether you like that is up to you.

The second is an awful adaptation. Mark Hamil is amazing. But that's it. The artwork is horrible with the joker looking less like a colorful ghoul and more like a meth addict. The coloring is wrong, following the abomination Brian Bolland did to the original. When South Park does a better adaptation than professional comic creators, it's time to go home.

 

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The movie tried to tone down Red Son's best moments, completely axed Wonder Woman's entire story and replaced it with a woke one, and may be the worst adaptation DC has put out in terms of butchery.

Didn't it leave out the fantastic "Why don't you just bottle the whole world?" part from the comic?

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

Red Son Superman was a story about how even Superman was corrupted by the evil Soviet Union system. Its a well written, subtle, nuanced book. Completely uncharacteristic of Mark Millar. Not coincidentally its also if not his best work, among them.

The movie tried to tone down Red Son's best moments, completely axed Wonder Woman's entire story and replaced it with a woke one, and may be the worst adaptation DC has put out in terms of butchery.

The scene with Bizarro from the comic was glorious. Animated version was a bloody travesty.

 

[Dr. Pasquale]

i haven't read red son in a long while, but i'm 90% sure stalin got fucked somewhere along the line.

I haven't read it in a while too, but from what I remember the cause of death was a stroke, just like the real one. Superman is busy doing something else and when he shows up the guy's already dead.

 

[GranDuke]

I've not been ignoring you. I've been swamped. Also this probably reads salty. It's not. I just get annoyed by ignorant boomers like Chuck mixing what he wishes was the solution with the actual facts on the ground.

The difference is, I don't see being a 'fanboy' as a writer being a bad thing. The turning point is fanboys becoming editors. Also Dixon's opinions outside of his wheel house are usually pretty bad.

Mark Waid's Flash or Geoff Johns JSA didn't hurt comics. Busiek Marvels didn't hurt comics. Those fucking sold.

Axel Alonso, big Vertigo fanboy, Joe Quesada, huge DKR/Watchmen fanboy, and Andy Khouri, faggot fanboy, rising into editorial positions hurt comics.

I think its more about influence in general than about specific position. Granted, editors have more influence by default than regular writer so its more obvious. Either way, Waid and Busiek didn't hurt comics because they were not influential enough, while Johns started shitting the bed at some point. Another example would be Tynion who, from my understanding, identifies with Tim Drake and is basically pushing DC to turn Tim bisexual because he himself is bisexual. And since Tynion's Batman is selling (and Tim is in the hole) then it is likely that DC will go with it.

 

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Another example would be Tynion who, from my understanding, identifies with Tim Drake and is basically pushing DC to turn Tim bisexual because he himself is bisexual. And since Tynion's Batman is selling (and Tim is in the hole) then it is likely that DC will go with it.

Is it just me, or is every dude working in comics coming out as bi?

I honestly think it's just a ploy to cover their asses against the Woke Shits who would love nothing better than to get white men nuked so they can install one of their POCLGBTIAFBINCISYMCA friends who can't write or draw for shit. The best part is they don't have the put on dresses like trannies do - just claim you like guys and BINGO! built in wokeshielding!

As for making Tim bi, even though i'm a fucking homo, I seriously hope that's just there to give all the Tim/Connor shippers blue clits and nothing comes of it. The only people who really want this are rainbow haired Tumblr refugees who have never experienced the touch of a man and thus fixate on the possibility of TWO FICTIONAL MINORS FUCKING.

At least when Hercules was canonically revealed as bi, that made sense from the mythical standpoint and the "this guy loves getting his balls drained so much that it doesn't matter to him if it's a girl or guy he's going balls deep in" standpoint.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Is it just me, or is every dude working in comics coming out as bi?

I honestly think it's just a ploy to cover their asses against the Woke Shits who would love nothing better than to get white men nuked so they can install one of their POCLGBTIAFBINCISYMCA friends who can't write or draw for shit. The best part is they don't have the put on dresses like trannies do - just claim you like guys and BINGO! built in wokeshielding!

As for making Tim bi, even though i'm a fucking homo, I seriously hope that's just there to give all the Tim/Connor shippers blue clits and nothing comes of it. The only people who really want this are rainbow haired Tumblr refugees who have never experienced the touch of a man and thus fixate on the possibility of TWO FICTIONAL MINORS FUCKING.

At least when Hercules was canonically revealed as bi, that made sense from the mythical standpoint and the "this guy loves getting his balls drained so much that it doesn't matter to him if it's a girl or guy he's going balls deep in" standpoint.

Making Tim bisexual doesn't make a lot of sense because most of his younger years were spent with women and he was very much just another young "bro" hero.

it sucks because if they turn the tim/connor relationship into a sexual one, it ruins a lot of the innocence from the young justice/titans days of the two, and uttlerly ruins a LOT of infinite crisis and post-infinite crisis Tim in general.

It's almost like these idiots don't want to see platonic love.

 

[jspit2.0]

Is it just me, or is every dude working in comics coming out as bi?

I honestly think it's just a ploy to cover their asses against the Woke Shits who would love nothing better than to get white men nuked so they can install one of their POCLGBTIAFBINCISYMCA friends who can't write or draw for shit. The best part is they don't have the put on dresses like trannies do - just claim you like guys and BINGO! built in wokeshielding!

As for making Tim bi, even though i'm a fucking homo, I seriously hope that's just there to give all the Tim/Connor shippers blue clits and nothing comes of it. The only people who really want this are rainbow haired Tumblr refugees who have never experienced the touch of a man and thus fixate on the possibility of TWO FICTIONAL MINORS FUCKING.

At least when Hercules was canonically revealed as bi, that made sense from the mythical standpoint and the "this guy loves getting his balls drained so much that it doesn't matter to him if it's a girl or guy he's going balls deep in" standpoint.

Making Tim bisexual doesn't make a lot of sense because most of his younger years were spent with women and he was very much just another young "bro" hero.

it sucks because if they turn the tim/connor relationship into a sexual one, it ruins a lot of the innocence from the young justice/titans days of the two, and uttlerly ruins a LOT of infinite crisis and post-infinite crisis Tim in general.

It's almost like these idiots don't want to see platonic love.

He's been straight for thirty fucking years. He should continue to be fucking straight the end.

Forget all the other shit. That the biggest part of his early, popular run had him with popular side characters like Ariana and Stephanie Brown. That this is craven and the only way for him to be 'bi' is to be shown with men and women. Forget all of it.

He's not gay, he's not trans, he's not faggot, or whatever otherkin. He's a dude that likes puss.

Make Duke bi. I don't give a fuck about him and he's basically Tim but black. Problem solved.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

He's been straight for thirty fucking years. He should continue to be fucking straight the end.

Forget all the other shit. That the biggest part of his early, popular run had him with popular side characters like Ariana and Stephanie Brown. That this is craven and the only way for him to be 'bi' is to be shown with men and women. Forget all of it.

He's not gay, he's not trans, he's not faggot, or whatever otherkin. He's a dude that likes puss.

Make Duke bi. I don't give a fuck about him and he's basically Tim but black. Problem solved.

make damien or duke bi,
or hell

make harvey dent bi

 

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He's been straight for thirty fucking years. He should continue to be fucking straight the end.

Forget all the other shit. That the biggest part of his early, popular run had him with popular side characters like Ariana and Stephanie Brown. That this is craven and the only way for him to be 'bi' is to be shown with men and women. Forget all of it.

He's not gay, he's not trans, he's not faggot, or whatever otherkin. He's a dude that likes puss.

Make Duke bi. I don't give a fuck about him and he's basically Tim but black. Problem solved.

It's the Iceman bullshit all over again - taking a character that has been all about the puss for over 50 years and making him gay merely because it gets more attention than some D lister or an all new character. This was made worse by handing him to a writer that thought making Bobby a raging fag sterotype was a great idea. Northstar's been a homo much longer than Iceman, yet he's not a 10th the flaming 'mo that Bobby became.

Making Shatterstar and Rictor queer made sense, because even back in the 90s X-Force run, there was chemistry between them. Making Obsidian gay made sense since he had TERRIBLE luck with women, and his creators intended to originally make him gay (Ditto for Jericho, who is bi now, since forgetting all the trim he pulled in would be dumb).

 

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make harvey dent bi

THIS IS FUCKING GENIUS

Sorry for the double post, but in this case it is apt.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

It's the Iceman bullshit all over again - taking a character that has been all about the puss for over 50 years and making him gay merely because it gets more attention than some D lister or an all new character. This was made worse by handing him to a writer that thought making Bobby a raging fag sterotype was a great idea. Northstar's been a homo much longer than Iceman, yet he's not a 10th the flaming 'mo that Bobby became.

Making Shatterstar and Rictor queer made sense, because even back in the 90s X-Force run, there was chemistry between them. Making Obsidian gay made sense since he had TERRIBLE luck with women, and his creators intended to originally make him gay (Ditto for Jericho, who is bi now, since forgetting all the trim he pulled in would be dumb).

to be fair, Bobby's ONE memorable long-term relationship was that asian chick from the 80s-90s.

i think he may have dicked kitty pryde? idk, he was so underutilized as a character. i swear he got shafted due to his powers being OP, but he was always visible due to being one of the OG X-Men.

 

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to be fair, Bobby's ONE memorable long-term relationship was that asian chick from the 80s-90s.

Bobby was dead set on Polaris since day one, and was jealous that Havoc won her over.

Bobby also had the hots for his Defenders teammate Cloud...until she shifted to a male form because she/he thought Moondragon would not accept him/her in their "woman" form.

Ironically, Moondragon was later revealed to be bi. Somewhere, O. Henry's corpse is popping a massive boner.

Oh, and Bobby fucked Mystique (in her default form, not disguised as a dude) just a few years before his "coming out"

The fact that he lusted after TWO PEOPLE who could have fulfilled his "secret" desire for cock yet didn't take advantage of that kind of says it all.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Bobby was dead set on Polaris since day one, and was jealous that Havoc won her over.

Bobby also had the hots for his Defenders teammate Cloud...until she shifted to a male form because she/he thought Moondragon would not accept him/her in their "woman" form.

Ironically, Moondragon was later revealed to be bi. Somewhere, O. Henry's corpse is popping a massive boner.

Oh, and Bobby fucked Mystique (in her default form, not disguised as a dude) just a few years before his "coming out"

The fact that he lusted after TWO PEOPLE who could have fulfilled his "secret" desire for cock yet didn't take advantage of that kind of says it all.

I forgot about Polaris.

Who the fuck remembers the New Defenders and Cloud?


The entire problem with bobby turning gay was the way it was done. Brainwashed and gaslit by a rich white teenage girl drunk on power.

Now, I kinda wanna see if they turned Magneto gay too.

 

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The entire problem with bobby turning gay was the way it was done. Brainwashed and gaslit by a rich white teenage girl drunk on power.

Now, I kinda wanna see if they turned Magneto gay too.

I wish someone would retcon that shit and explain it was all due to that dumbass Baby Jean, who couldn't stay out of people's heads nor keep her mouth shut. She subconciously wanted her own fag hag, and next thing Bobby knows, he's crusing the bathrooms at Chik-Fil-A for some DL Daddy Dick.

The screeching this would cause from the Alphabet Crew would tear a hole in space and time.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I wish someone would retcon that shit and explain it was all due to that dumbass Baby Jean, who couldn't stay out of people's heads nor keep her mouth shut. She subconciously wanted her own fag hag, and next thing Bobby knows, he's crusing the bathrooms at Chik-Fil-A for some DL Daddy Dick.

The screeching this would cause from the Alphabet Crew would tear a hole in space and time.

they can have the gay iceman but make Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes #superstraight, unironically.

fuck shippers.

 

[jspit2.0]

I forgot about Polaris.

Who the fuck remembers the New Defenders and Cloud?


The entire problem with bobby turning gay was the way it was done. Brainwashed and gaslit by a rich white teenage girl drunk on power.

Now, I kinda wanna see if they turned Magneto gay too.

No, turning a fifty year old character gay because 'he mattered' is the fucking problem.

Bobby isn't gay. He banged chicks. He likes puss. Canonically.

I wish someone would retcon that shit and explain it was all due to that dumbass Baby Jean, who couldn't stay out of people's heads nor keep her mouth shut. She subconciously wanted her own fag hag, and next thing Bobby knows, he's crusing the bathrooms at Chik-Fil-A for some DL Daddy Dick.

The screeching this would cause from the Alphabet Crew would tear a hole in space and time.

It's the Iceman bullshit all over again - taking a character that has been all about the puss for over 50 years and making him gay merely because it gets more attention than some D lister or an all new character. This was made worse by handing him to a writer that thought making Bobby a raging fag sterotype was a great idea. Northstar's been a homo much longer than Iceman, yet he's not a 10th the flaming 'mo that Bobby became.

Making Shatterstar and Rictor queer made sense, because even back in the 90s X-Force run, there was chemistry between them. Making Obsidian gay made sense since he had TERRIBLE luck with women, and his creators intended to originally make him gay (Ditto for Jericho, who is bi now, since forgetting all the trim he pulled in would be dumb).

I'm gonna nope on Jericho and and Rictor. Shatterstar and Northstar made sense.

They wanted Jericho gay because he was effeminate? I think. Anyway it doesn't matter. Not everything needs gay and just create a new character if it matters that much. Johnny gay with the super mutant power to increase his power in proportion to his flamboyance. For added points if he hates acting faggy.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

No, turning a fifty year old character gay because 'he mattered' is the fucking problem.

Bobby isn't gay. He banged chicks. He likes puss. Canonically.





I'm gonna nope on Jericho and and Rictor. Shatterstar and Northstar made sense.

They wanted Jericho gay because he was effeminate? I think. Anyway it doesn't matter. Not everything needs gay and just create a new character if it matters that much. Johnny gay with the super mutant power to increase his power in proportion to his flamboyance. For added points if he hates acting faggy.

Jericho didn't matter too much because they didn't explore that early on and he always did have that whiff of flamboyance.

Rictor? Again, I'm not gonna touch the liefeld stuff for canonicity because I don't wanna read it, but he's enough of a known name to maybe get more of a spotlight but also unknown enough that his sexuality doesn't really matter.

obsidian coming out as gay was kinda done decently, but in a genuinely funny way.

and then DC decided to kinda just torment the guy for a while.

 

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Rictor? Again, I'm not gonna touch the liefeld stuff for canonicity because I don't wanna read it, but he's enough of a known name to maybe get more of a spotlight but also unknown enough that his sexuality doesn't really matter.

The Brokebacking of Shatty and Julio started AFTER Liefeld bailed on Marvel for Image's shores. I think it was Neicesza that set the stage for that, and then left the book before the trigger got pulled. It stayed on the backburner until Peter David brought Shatterstar out of Comic Book Limbo on his late 2000s run on X-Factor.

Speaking of gay mutants - back during Morrison's early 2000s run on X-Men, Beast came out of the closet to his ex-Trish Tilby shortly after he evoled into his "cat" form, Then it walked back some issues later as "psych! j/k guys!", which was retarded as fuck. If anything, Hank craving dick made more sense than with Bobby, since he didn't show much interest in women at all. Fuck, he had more chemistry with Wonder Man than any woman, and in one parallel universe, those dudes are married.