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[Nick Obre]

There’s things to question and Waid is a spineless good for nothing who slapped his name on another guy’s magnum opus,

Do you mean Alex Ross', or do you mean that someone else wrote it in some capacity?

Because ages ago (I'd say circa 2016 but I'm not sure), I listened to some comic book podcast which over the years I've been completely unable to identify (and at this point would be frankly impossible; I was out doing something and I put on a random episode of a podcast I wasn't familiar with, from the Pop culture section of an app that I think doesn't exist anymore), and in it one of the hosts (I recall he was supposedly some kind of industry insider) made the claim that Waid had a ghost writer for a lot of his good works, and singled out KC as being one of the biggest cases of this. The supposed ghost writer was a name I didn't recognize, so it wasn't anyone of renown from the industry at the time. In any case, he would go uncredited, and Waid's rise to acclaim would be largely thanks to this alleged guy.

Do you know anything about this?

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

The supposed ghost writer was a name I didn't recognize, so it wasn't anyone of renown from the industry at the time. In any case, he would go uncredited, and Waid's rise to acclaim would be largely thanks to this alleged guy.

I want to say that it was Brian Augustyn

 

[Humble Architect]

Do you mean Alex Ross', or do you mean that someone else wrote it in some capacity?

Because ages ago (I'd say circa 2016 but I'm not sure), I listened to some comic book podcast which over the years I've been completely unable to identify (and at this point would be frankly impossible; I was out doing something and I put on a random episode of a podcast I wasn't familiar with, from the Pop culture section of an app that I think doesn't exist anymore), and in it one of the hosts (I recall he was supposedly some kind of industry insider) made the claim that Waid had a ghost writer for a lot of his good works, and singled out KC as being one of the biggest cases of this. The supposed ghost writer was a name I didn't recognize, so it wasn't anyone of renown from the industry at the time. In any case, he would go uncredited, and Waid's rise to acclaim would be largely thanks to this alleged guy.

Do you know anything about this?

I can’t speak for his other stuff, but for KC, it was Ross’s idea, he thought up combining Twilight of the Superheroes with the Revelation. He made the pitch to the editors and they brought in Waid as a company man/actual writer/cuck.

Long and short, it comes out, Waid took too much credit and Ross refuses to ever work with Waid ever again.

Everything good about KC came from Ross, Waid did the dialogue and that’s it. Anyone who doubts this can kindly read “The Kingdom” or the recent World’s Finest KC arc and see for themselves how much Waid doesn’t understand KC.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Speaking of Waid, I know he and Devin Grayson used to date, but then she got blacklisted from comics. Did the rumor that Waid was behind it because he was pissed she dumped him have any merit or was it all because of her antics on Nightwing?

 

[jspit2.0]

Do you mean Alex Ross', or do you mean that someone else wrote it in some capacity?

Because ages ago (I'd say circa 2016 but I'm not sure), I listened to some comic book podcast which over the years I've been completely unable to identify (and at this point would be frankly impossible; I was out doing something and I put on a random episode of a podcast I wasn't familiar with, from the Pop culture section of an app that I think doesn't exist anymore), and in it one of the hosts (I recall he was supposedly some kind of industry insider) made the claim that Waid had a ghost writer for a lot of his good works, and singled out KC as being one of the biggest cases of this. The supposed ghost writer was a name I didn't recognize, so it wasn't anyone of renown from the industry at the time. In any case, he would go uncredited, and Waid's rise to acclaim would be largely thanks to this alleged guy.

Do you know anything about this?

Bryann Augstyn? Tom Peyer?

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Speaking of Waid, I know he and Devin Grayson used to date, but then she got blacklisted from comics. Did the rumor that Waid was behind it because he was pissed she dumped him have any merit or was it all because of her antics on Nightwing?

Have you ever heard the dark story in this comic strip from a 1988 (I think) DC Holiday special that Waid edited?

On the surface this is a normal homage to safety strips of old. But this is the darkest Easter Egg that DC has ever published.

You might wonder, hey- Lee Travis- did the Crimson Avenger send this in? But its actually refering to the fact that the artist (Greg Brooks) who did a Crimson Avenger mini a year or so before this was published killed his wife. Killed his wife with what, the more retarted members reading this might ponder? A hammer.

Mark Waid edited a book that joked about the fact that one of their artists, killed his wife with a hammer.

https://www.chrisisoninfiniteearths.com/2020/03/16/crimson-avenger-1-1988/

Though rumor has it that Waid may or may not had been romantally involved with the wife at some point in time. But that was something I heard on Comic Perch's video on it.

 

[Humble Architect]

Speaking of Waid, I know he and Devin Grayson used to date, but then she got blacklisted from comics. Did the rumor that Waid was behind it because he was pissed she dumped him have any merit or was it all because of her antics on Nightwing?

I believe it, that dude is a world-class ratfuck.

Him, Mark Millar and Grant Morrison conspired in the late 90s to pitch a Superman relaunch to get this, make him more “Kal-El” than Clark, utterly get rid of the secret identity, undo the marriage in a manner not unlike “One More Day” and bring back the Silver Age Superman.

Because these scheming, entitled manbabies wanted things to be the way they were when they were little. This pitch, which some higher-ups actually liked, enough to use this as an excuse to fire Jurgens (they were looking for any reason tbf) but it was stabbed in the womb by editors, who wisely put these “writers” in their place and put all three on a list, to never get the Superman ongoing.

This pitch lived on though, in the form of three minis, All-star (and One Million by proxy), Birthright and Red Son.

Now, look at all those and Grant’s run that he later got once Didio was in full control. No Clark or an extreme reduction of Clark.

All because those faggots hate the (superior) Post-Crisis Superman and his more prominent human side. That’s also why I like Jurgens, he got fucked over, yet he was instrumental to the modern Superman, the lonely guy from Kansas who just wants to do right, save the day, get the girl and live the American Dream. The fact that makes three gay retards seethe is icing on the cake.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I believe it, that dude is a world-class ratfuck.

Him, Mark Millar and Grant Morrison conspired in the late 90s to pitch a Superman relaunch to get this, make him more “Kal-El” than Clark, utterly get rid of the secret identity, undo the marriage in a manner not unlike “One More Day” and bring back the Silver Age Superman.

Because these scheming, entitled manbabies wanted things to be the way they were when they were little. This pitch, which some higher-ups actually liked, enough to use this as an excuse to fire Jurgens (they were looking for any reason tbf) but it was stabbed in the womb by editors, who wisely put these “writers” in their place and put all three on a list, to never get the Superman ongoing.

This pitch lived on though, in the form of three minis, All-star (and One Million by proxy), Birthright and Red Son.

Now, look at all those and Grant’s run that he later got once Didio was in full control. No Clark or an extreme reduction of Clark.

All because those faggots hate the (superior) Post-Crisis Superman and his more prominent human side. That’s also why I like Jurgens, he got fucked over, yet he was instrumental to the modern Superman, the lonely guy from Kansas who just wants to do right, save the day, get the girl and live the American Dream. The fact that makes three gay retards seethe is icing on the cake.

i think they should have gone more into the Eradicator as "Kal-El" without the humanity instead of the "dickbag AI" they oft do

 

[Humble Architect]

i think they should have gone more into the Eradicator as "Kal-El" without the humanity instead of the "dickbag AI" they oft do

Well Eradicator is just untapped potential, overshadowed by Hank the Tank, Steel and the hero of Hawaii.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Well Eradicator is just untapped potential, overshadowed by Hank the Tank, Steel and the hero of Hawaii.

Its amazing how much good stuff came out of Death of Superman

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Its amazing how much good stuff came out of Death of Superman

It's weird how post-Crisis Superman and especially his 90s felt like a last big burst of creativity for the character and franchise in general. I talk on how Bat-mania from TDKR, Batman '89, and BTAS gradually made DC hard-focus on him too much alongside jacking off Watchmen and grimdark/vigilantism, but an underrated point is just seeing other heroes or concepts try to keep up with Bats' explosive growth and.... ultimately not able to. And boy is it depressing seeing the end results of that nowadays.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

i think they should have gone more into the Eradicator as "Kal-El" without the humanity instead of the "dickbag AI" they oft do

Yeah, The Day of the Krypton Man should be used as a guide on how to write Eradicator but instead he's often some gay Punisher version of Superman.

And for anyone interested in reading that pitch by Grant Morrison and Mark Waid for the 2000s Superman reboot, I believe this is it.

 

[Humble Architect]

Yeah, The Day of the Krypton Man should be used as a guide on how to write Eradicator but instead he's often some gay Punisher version of Superman.

And for anyone interested in reading that pitch by Grant Morrison and Mark Waid for the 2000s Superman reboot, I believe this is it.

They don’t include it but the suit they wanted him to have was the prototype New 52 suit.

That ties into All-star originally being canon and the New 52 being the next generation of heroes.

It's weird how post-Crisis Superman and especially his 90s felt like a last big burst of creativity for the character and franchise in general. I talk on how Bat-mania from TDKR, Batman '89, and BTAS gradually made DC hard-focus on him too much alongside jacking off Watchmen and grimdark/vigilantism, but an underrated point is just seeing other heroes or concepts try to keep up with Bats' explosive growth and.... ultimately not able to. And boy is it depressing seeing the end results of that nowadays.

Superman got the best glow-up from the Post-Crisis era, most of them it was business as usual, for him it was pretty much a new character, merging the tough “cowboy” from the Golden Age with the powerful alien from the Silver Age and the unparalleled charisma of Chris Reeve into the definitive Superman, the one everyone thinks of when you say the name.

Its amazing how much good stuff came out of Death of Superman

It is the perfect “event” comic, so much worldbuilding, creativity and passion. In particular, my favourites were when the “Reign” was happening and the four got into their own adventures and hijinks, like genuinely pretending that was the new status quo. It was awesome.

 

[jspit2.0]

It's weird how post-Crisis Superman and especially his 90s felt like a last big burst of creativity for the character and franchise in general. I talk on how Bat-mania from TDKR, Batman '89, and BTAS gradually made DC hard-focus on him too much alongside jacking off Watchmen and grimdark/vigilantism, but an underrated point is just seeing other heroes or concepts try to keep up with Bats' explosive growth and.... ultimately not able to. And boy is it depressing seeing the end results of that nowadays.

Superman did fine until Nu52. It had highs and lows.

Its amazing how much good stuff came out of Death of Superman

The one thing I hate is the worst part of Death of Superman is the climax.

Movie was better.

 

[Burt Ryan]

I'm midway through the Zdarsky / Checchetto Daredevil run. It's pretty great. I have a massive crush on Elektra Natchios in any shape or form.

The one thing I hate is the worst part of Death of Superman is the climax.

Movie was better.

I'll probably watch it tonight. Speaking of deaths of characters, I remember one of my first ever comics in TPB I bought was Civil War. Loved it a lot, then right after I got Death of Captain America and I was very confused, since I knew it couldn't be dead (more recent issues featuring him on the cover I saw). Then I read how they "brought him back", with that time-bullet stuff.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I've been reading Jim Shooters run on the LOSH and I did not realise how much of the DC lore he was responsible for creating. The Khunds, the controlers, Fatal Five, Sun Eaters. All when he was a teenager.

Also adult Brainaic 5 with a pipe in his mouth is the funniest thing

There is an non-Shooter issue where the ending implies that a bunch of people promptly fucked right afterwards.

Other things I have been reading is some EC Comic Weird Fantasy and my first real manga (the Joker one doesn't count) Ranma 1/2

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I've been reading Jim Shooters run on the LOSH and I did not realise how much of the DC lore he was responsible for creating. The Khunds, the controlers, Fatal Five, Sun Eaters. All when he was a teenager.

Also adult Brainaic 5 with a pipe in his mouth is the funniest thing

There is an non-Shooter issue where the ending implies that a bunch of people promptly fucked right afterwards.

Other things I have been reading is some EC Comic Weird Fantasy and my first real manga (the Joker one doesn't count) Ranma 1/2

Jim Shooter's run sets up a lot of stuff that gets used more often in the post-crisis landscape. I feel like DC kept trying to make their cosmic stuff congeal properly, but never quite got it down just right. I do love all of it. The Legion finding Darkseid was a fucking good story and the old Legion stuff up to right before Zero Hour was usually a good space opera. DC tried to revitalize their cosmic stuff in the 2000s under Jim Starlin's writing, but a lot of that just got shitcanned by n52. Shame, because they finally started to just do something with Synnar or whatever his name was, and were setting up the Prince Gavyn Starman to have a tragic heroic fall that never got concluded.


some of the 80s Legion stories dealt with transexuality in the form of Colossal Boy's love interest being a woman that took magical sci-fi pills to be a woman. I recall something about a sort of war that made resources hard to get and she reverted to being a man. Don't think the entire thing was blatant and in my face, so it was probably subtly done without everyone being cardboard.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

transexuality in the form of Colossal Boy's love interest being a woman that took magical sci-fi pills to be a woman. I recall something about a sort of war that made resources hard to get and she reverted to being a man. Don't think the entire thing was blatant and in my face, so it was probably subtly done without everyone being cardboard.

I've actually seen that issue before, I think it was Element Lad who had the love interest though. Colossal Boy was married to that one Durlan chick.

Also there was that Subs one shot where Color Boy got some sex changing illness from Infectuss Lass and became Color Queen.

I thought it was more interesting then the real life tranny stuff. The idea of changing your sex is way more interesting in older fiction then it is now a days when the activists got in.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I've actually seen that issue before, I think it was Element Lad who had the love interest though. Colossal Boy was married to that one Durlan chick.

Also there was that Subs one shot where Color Boy got some sex changing illness from Infectuss Lass and became Color Queen.

I thought it was more interesting then the real life tranny stuff. The idea of changing your sex is way more interesting in older fiction then it is now a days when the activists got in.

I think back then they likely explored aspects to it that weren't tied to modern viewpoints. It's just an idea to be explored. No weird ongoing bullshit about muh goooooooning or muh oppression (in a fucking sci-fi futuristic society, this is even more pointless)

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I think back then they likely explored aspects to it that weren't tied to modern viewpoints. It's just an idea to be explored. No weird ongoing bullshit about muh goooooooning or muh oppression (in a fucking sci-fi futuristic society, this is even more pointless)

It used to be for fun stuff like how Ranma 1/2 used it and I only got into it because I saw Comic Perch's video on his concerns on how the reboot would treat him. Or exploring the limits of sci-fi and mad science. I don't want it to be about 'gender' identity.

Comics and Manga should be entertaining. They can make us laugh, have moments that shake us to the core, god I love comics. It's a shame they have been brought so low from a storytelling standpoint in the states.

Anybody here reading the Ghost Machine titles?