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Thanks for the overviews, but there is one thing I could correct you on: The Inhumans were actually created waaay back in 1965 to be a recurring element in the Fantastic Four comic series, so they're in no ways new, but all the same they never have been, nor will they ever be as popular as the X-Men. However, you are totally correct in that Marvel/Disney have been shoehorning the Inhumans into the comics with all the grace and subtlety as a flaming buffalo charging through a nursing home because 20th Century Fox still owns the movie rights for Marvel's Merry Mutants.

Is that really the writer of Unstoppable Wasp? That's a really unprofessional way of dealing with some guy on the internet. I never understood why people got so up in arms when a handful of people didn't like X thing, be it something they created or something they enjoy (hi SU fandom). People like different things. Get over it. It wasn't an attack against you.

This seems to be Marvel's new thing: hiring less experienced, indie comic creators and webcomic creators instead of trying to focus on growing a stable of more experienced talent. I mean yes, Bendis and Waid are still there, but the large majority of "talent" they have in these books are relative unknowns... and while I have nothing to substantiate this claim, but I would assume it's because Marvel/Disney has realized they can make these lesser known names work for a fuckton less money than they can a more established name. lus, then they can put on the veneer that they are trying to reach a wider audience, etc. etc.... despite the fact that Marvel's sales numbers have been pathetic for months.

3. She-Hulk is dead/coma?

She-Hulk is out of a coma.... but see, this is where I get pissed off.

She-Hulk aka Jennifer Walters. for decades has been a strong, smart, independent character. She was the fucking embodiment of confidence and wasn't afraid of her sexuality or to voice her own opinions. She was an actual honest-to-goodness postive female role model.

But now, in her new comic she (Jennifer Walters) is recovering from Civil War II and hates her She-Hulk persona. She is essentially the new Bruce Banner, having anxiety and suffering from fucking PTSD.

Marvel has taken one of their best strong female characters and made her into a fucking victim.

Now granted, while I understand the comic thus far have been okay-ish and haven't fallen to deep into TRIGGERED territory, the fact alone they would do this to a long-standing character is.........well...... hate to say it, but really fucking par for the course for these idiots. It's like, "Oh, I'm sorry, was she too confident for you? Well, better dial that back a few dozen notches! Now let's make all our female characters into dopey meme-birthers and/or palette-swaps of the menfolk because that's what little girls want!"

 

[GabeRegan]

From what I can tell, the only important things that happened are:

1. Cap is Hydra


I haven't picked up any DC Rebirth stuff because I'm poor, has the change thus far been positive?

I think it's worth noting, if you're not reading Steve Rogers: Captain America, there is nothing in Civil War II that indicates he's Hydra. In fact, throughout the event he's portrayed very traditionally, tries to broker peace between Iron Man and Captain Marvel, and when the precog Inhuman has a vision of the Miles Morales Spider-Man killing him, he's the only one there not freaking out. He then has a heart-to-heart with Miles where they talk and Steve straight up says Miles is a hero, and he knows he won't try to kill him. In the finale when Miles shows up at the Capital to prove the vision is wrong, Steve shows up again and the two calmly talk about trying to figure out why they were showed the vision. And when the final fight between Captain Marvel and Iron Man start, he once again tries to calm them down. He's pretty much the only character in the main Civil War II book who doesn't have his head up his ass at some point.

Also the DC Rebirth stuff is really good, I would say most of the books they're putting out are worth reading. Superman, Batman, Green Lanterns, and Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps are probably the best overall books. Wonder Woman, Justice League, Titans, and Suicide Squad are good, but might not be to everyone's taste. The only #1 in the Rebirth books I personally hated was Harley Quinn, which I think is one of those love it or hate it kind of books.

 

[Lipitor]

So for anyone who may not be up-to-date on just how shit Marvel has become, I'll bring you up to speed on noticeable elements of Civil War II:

Spoiler: Abandon All Hope

- Captain Marvel and Iron Man are leading opposing sides on how to arrest people. An Inhuman (X-Men knockoffs created so Marvel doesn't have to give Fox free advertising for their movies) called Ulysses has the ability to see into the future Minority-Report style and predict murders before they happen. Carol Danvers is on the thoughtcrime bus, and Tony opposes it. They argue like kids in kindergarten for the majority of this event when just being professional would have solved 99% of it.

- Danvers stages an ambush on Thanos attacking a facility after Ulysses predicts it. War Machine gets killed in the fight and She-Hulk gets put into a coma after taking an anti-Thanos missile to the tits.

- War Machine's funeral is about as dull and lifeless (pun intended) as you can possibly imagine, with Stark being absent for "reasons" and Rhodey's family getting little to no coverage. Instead you get a Black Lives Matter push where Marvel picks a bunch of random black superheroes from its repertoire - some with no relation to Rhodes at all - to do the mourning.

- Danvers visits Bruce Banner with a bunch of her superhero buddies and says Ulysses predicted he was going to go on a rampage as the Hulk and kill people. He gets defensive about it and Hawkeye kills him with an arrow to the head which was given to him by Bruce Banner as a final resort (though seriously, he wasn't going green until they looked through his shit and accused him of things he hadn't done yet, and he'd been treating himself so as not to turn into Hulk).

- She-Hulk wakes up from her coma and is given maybe one page of being pissed at Captain Marvel for getting her cousin killed, and is more-or-less written out of the event from there under grounds of still being injured.

- While readying herself to face Stark, Danvers calls for her Guardians of the Galaxy friends to come help her, and nearly kills them upon their arrival out of stupidity.

- Captain Marvel and Iron Man start their final battle because Tony put a protective device on a teenager (Miles Morales) to keep him safe, since Captain Marvel wanted to get rid of Miles as Ulysses had a vision of him killing Captain America, and both Miles and Steve were already there agreeing on not killing each other. Thus the only solution was to FIGHT!

- Captain Marvel launches an attack that completely obliterates Tony's armour yet leaves him visibly unscathed but in a coma (it's pretty bullshit) and nearly kills Captain America in the blast. Beast tells her, "LOL Tony secretly agreed with you anyway but he didn't want other people exploiting the system". I don't need to tell you how fucking stupid this plot point is.

- Ulysses - for whatever absurd reason - is chosen to be a god by the powers-that-be because being a precog serving as the foundation for a plot that completely fucks up the Marvel universe is God material. So he pisses off, thereby rendering Captain Marvel's entire thoughtcrime platform pointless, along with the whole story.

END RESULT: Tony was the punching bag of this event. Despite Carol Danvers being a completely unlikeable and incompetent bitch who was directly responsible for two main Marvel characters getting killed and putting two others into a coma (one a founding Avenger), nobody involved calls her out on her shit (except Beast, and his is just passive-aggressive), and she gets rewarded for it. Queue the dumbest part:

- She's asked by the President of the United States to become President, and she's apparently the most popular superhero in-universe right now.

WHAT A FUCKING TRAIN WRECK.

Marvel's been getting shittier for a while now, but HOLY SHIT that has to be the worst comic book event I've read in a while.

And let's not even talk about "The Unstoppable Wasp"...

Yea that sounds absolutely awful. Like I'm fatigued of Marvel events.. (well all planned events across publishers).

 

[Hummingbird]

Have you ever noticed with Jeremy Whitley's stuff Princeless and Raven the Pirate Princess, the men are usually sexist strawmen or antagonists? There are a few good men though.

Also, I've been reading Grimm Tales of Terror which is a spin-off from Grimm Fairy Tales (scroll down to see the issues) and goes back to the series roots. It's very fun stuff.

 

[breadandcircuses]

Rebirth has been okay.

I like Deathstroke and Green Arrow myself, but those update twice a month, so I'm happy.

 

[weirdMcGee]

Have you ever noticed with Jeremy Whitley's stuff Princeless and Raven the Pirate Princess, the men are usually sexist strawmen or antagonists? There are a few good men though.

Also, I've been reading Grimm Tales of Terror which is a spin-off from Grimm Fairy Tales (scroll down to see the issues) and goes back to the series roots. It's very fun stuff.

about time someone mentioned that. there was something about that smelled fishy

 

[Hummingbird]

about time someone mentioned that. there was something about that smelled fishy

If they are strawmen, they have to usually be white. And two most decent guys in the series are both black and have at least one "feminine" interest (poetry or cooking).

 

[Lensherr]

Finished Book 2 of Preacher recently. Man has this series been great so far. Am currently reading Volume 2 of Frank Miller and Klaus Janson's Daredevil.

Also, should I check out any of the DC Rebirth stuff? How's Green Arrow in particular?

So for anyone who may not be up-to-date on just how shit Marvel has become, I'll bring you up to speed on noticeable elements of Civil War II:

Spoiler: Abandon All Hope

- Captain Marvel and Iron Man are leading opposing sides on how to arrest people. An Inhuman (X-Men knockoffs created so Marvel doesn't have to give Fox free advertising for their movies) called Ulysses has the ability to see into the future Minority-Report style and predict murders before they happen. Carol Danvers is on the thoughtcrime bus, and Tony opposes it. They argue like kids in kindergarten for the majority of this event when just being professional would have solved 99% of it.

- Danvers stages an ambush on Thanos attacking a facility after Ulysses predicts it. War Machine gets killed in the fight and She-Hulk gets put into a coma after taking an anti-Thanos missile to the tits.

- War Machine's funeral is about as dull and lifeless (pun intended) as you can possibly imagine, with Stark being absent for "reasons" and Rhodey's family getting little to no coverage. Instead you get a Black Lives Matter push where Marvel picks a bunch of random black superheroes from its repertoire - some with no relation to Rhodes at all - to do the mourning.

- Danvers visits Bruce Banner with a bunch of her superhero buddies and says Ulysses predicted he was going to go on a rampage as the Hulk and kill people. He gets defensive about it and Hawkeye kills him with an arrow to the head which was given to him by Bruce Banner as a final resort (though seriously, he wasn't going green until they looked through his shit and accused him of things he hadn't done yet, and he'd been treating himself so as not to turn into Hulk).

- She-Hulk wakes up from her coma and is given maybe one page of being pissed at Captain Marvel for getting her cousin killed, and is more-or-less written out of the event from there under grounds of still being injured.

- While readying herself to face Stark, Danvers calls for her Guardians of the Galaxy friends to come help her, and nearly kills them upon their arrival out of stupidity.

- Captain Marvel and Iron Man start their final battle because Tony put a protective device on a teenager (Miles Morales) to keep him safe, since Captain Marvel wanted to get rid of Miles as Ulysses had a vision of him killing Captain America, and both Miles and Steve were already there agreeing on not killing each other. Thus the only solution was to FIGHT!

- Captain Marvel launches an attack that completely obliterates Tony's armour yet leaves him visibly unscathed but in a coma (it's pretty bullshit) and nearly kills Captain America in the blast. Beast tells her, "LOL Tony secretly agreed with you anyway but he didn't want other people exploiting the system". I don't need to tell you how fucking stupid this plot point is.

- Ulysses - for whatever absurd reason - is chosen to be a god by the powers-that-be because being a precog serving as the foundation for a plot that completely fucks up the Marvel universe is God material. So he pisses off, thereby rendering Captain Marvel's entire thoughtcrime platform pointless, along with the whole story.

END RESULT: Tony was the punching bag of this event. Despite Carol Danvers being a completely unlikeable and incompetent bitch who was directly responsible for two main Marvel characters getting killed and putting two others into a coma (one a founding Avenger), nobody involved calls her out on her shit (except Beast, and his is just passive-aggressive), and she gets rewarded for it. Queue the dumbest part:

- She's asked by the President of the United States to become President, and she's apparently the most popular superhero in-universe right now.

WHAT A FUCKING TRAIN WRECK.

Marvel's been getting shittier for a while now, but HOLY SHIT that has to be the worst comic book event I've read in a while.

And let's not even talk about "The Unstoppable Wasp"...

Holy shit. I REFUSE to believe Brian Michael Bendis wrote that.

Which speaking of him, he will be writing a new Defenders series based off the current Netflix show's lineup:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...bendis-bringing-back-comic-book-series-963406

which I'm really looking forward too, especially to see him writing Daredevil again.

 

[GabeRegan]

The only Rebirth book I absolutely hated was Harley Quinn, everything else I can say is either very good or just not my taste. If I had to recommend something, I would say Superman and Batman, but honestly I would say pick up anything that strikes your interest. As for Green Arrow, in his first issue he claims to be a social justice warrior. The first arc wasn't terrible, but I lost interest in the book shortly after.

 

[weirdMcGee]

If they are strawmen, they have to usually be white. And two most decent guys in the series are both black and have at least one "feminine" interest (poetry or cooking).

Well to give then credit, I would happy when an issue on the main prisoner's brother. That, and the reveal that she might be gay. Come one white, admit it you ship her with the dwarf girl.

 

[Hummingbird]

Despite what the cheesecake covers show, Zenescope does make some really good stuff. I enjoyed the Hook mini-series which has a different take on the Peter Pan story where Hook is the good guy and Peter is an evil being that lures boys so he can drain their life to keep himself young. (This idea came from the writer's own feelings how he liked Hook a lot more and felt like Peter was a dick.)

I'm currently reading their mini-series about the movie, Se7en, which goes into the lives of the victims and John Doe, himself. The first issue looks into the life of the gluttony victim and switches between his and killer's narratives. It's an interesting look into what goes on in the head of a compulsive over-eater and the hopelessness they feel.

 

[Hummingbird]

DC's Hanna-Barbara line has a new stupid idea with a Snagglepuss series where he's a tragic, gay southern gothic playwright in the 1950s. While I never thought Snagglepuss was funny, maybe there could be some hope since the writer for The Flintstones comic is doing it. Still I doubt it and I have to wonder if the amount of failure will be just meh or be a trainwreck like Wacky Raceland.

As for The Flinstones comic, it will be ending on issue 12 (I guess they wanted to make it a mini-series). Though I still enjoy it, issues seven and eight felt a little mouth-piecy.

 

[admiral]

Why are there so many Avengers titles? I go into the comic store and i'm like a Granny trying to buy a smartphone. No fucking clue.

 

[[Insert Meme Here]]

Why are there so many Avengers titles? I go into the comic store and i'm like a Granny trying to buy a smartphone. No fucking clue.

DC's Hanna-Barbara line has a new stupid idea with a Snagglepuss series where he's a tragic, gay southern gothic playwright in the 1950s.

That dog's fucking 1000 yard stare is pretty golden, though.

 

[GabeRegan]

Why are there so many Avengers titles? I go into the comic store and i'm like a Granny trying to buy a smartphone. No fucking clue.

Same reason that when the New52 came out DC called the teambook that was clearly a reboot of an obscure 2000s comic Justice League Dark. The worst of the current bunch as far as title goes is Occupy Avengers, which is just a Hawkeye buddy cop comic that has nothing to do with the Occupy movement (Not to say it's bad, I'd say read an issue or two if the premise sounds interesting to you).

 

[Hummingbird]

That dog's fucking 1000 yard stare is pretty golden, though.

I'm guessing that's Doggie Daddy or an older Auggie Doggie. I kinda like the new design for Snagglepuss. According to this link, Ruff and Ready, The Jetsons and Top Cat will be coming up.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they did a Quickdraw McGraw story in the style of Blazing Saddles (but more kid friendly).

 

[AtrocityVoyeur]

I loved the old Hellblazer comic. I hate the new ones.

 

[Hummingbird]

I loved the old Hellblazer comic. I hate the new ones.

What's wrong with the new one? I remember the Constantine series during New 52 and finding it ok though the artist drew one hot Constantine.

 

[AtrocityVoyeur]

The old ones, under the Vertigo imprint, had amazing writing and characterization. Constantine failed as often as he succeeded, with awful consequences. He was scared shitless of some of his enemies, and ran roughshod over his friends. Granted there were some awfully shitty runs like Milligan's but most of them were amazing especially Delano and Ennis.

The new ones flay all of the interesting failure and darkness off Constantine, leaving behind a TV-ready "Snarky Antihero" in the TV Tropes mold. They take everything that was interesting about the old comic and boil them down to a Millenial-friendly format. He's not an amoral hedonist- he's a woke bisexual. He's not a gutter-dwelling proletariat- he's a woke SJW. Maybe it's an inevitable consequence of the SJW cancer that is killing comics but I fucking hate where the character went.

 

[Hummingbird]

The old ones, under the Vertigo imprint, had amazing writing and characterization. Constantine failed as often as he succeeded, with awful consequences. He was scared shitless of some of his enemies, and ran roughshod over his friends. Granted there were some awfully shitty runs like Milligan's but most of them were amazing especially Delano and Ennis.

The new ones flay all of the interesting failure and darkness off Constantine, leaving behind a TV-ready "Snarky Antihero" in the TV Tropes mold. They take everything that was interesting about the old comic and boil them down to a Millenial-friendly format. He's not an amoral hedonist- he's a woke bisexual. He's not a gutter-dwelling proletariat- he's a woke SJW. Maybe it's an inevitable consequence of the SJW cancer that is killing comics but I fucking hate where the character went.

You gotta love it when he gave the Devil the finger after outsmarting him. Anyway, it's too bad that Constantine had to go that way. It just shows you how SJWs don't want "marginalized" characters to ever be truly flawed or to have a male character that has any "toxic" aspects unless they're a villain or strawman.