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ngl I miss james robinson and geoff johns with their continuity sperging. i wish they'd do more marvel stuff once in a while. marvel has too many writers that want to just get some stupid "milestone" and then get absolutely BTFO'd when the newest LGBT, gender, or race grift doesn't get that much love because it's either boring, insulting, or a bad retcon.
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Shit, that was Cho. For a second I thought they gave Jen a dyke cut before turning her into He-She-Hulk.


I wonder what they were paying Alex Ross to do all that, just for this series.

Banner and Hulk has always been a story of how Banner deep down is a terrible person, and the Hulk is that bit of him that recognizes it. Rather than unleash the monster that is Banner, the Hulk wants to be left alone.

Well it's an interpretation, but 'Banner is the true monster!' is a thing that I think appeared and built up over the past couple of decades, especially that run where the Hulk got Doc Doom to separate them. I can't remember the names involved, lovely art, shit writing as usual. You also have a point, just after I brought up Banner+Hulk=Maestro. But I don't know - the Hulk was almost properly villainous back in '63, he didn't seem to want to protect too many people from himself. It was when he was turned into a stupid, childish character that all the childish 'leave me alone' stuff appeared.

But I'll concede something: I haven't really enjoyed the Hulk since Peter David left. Not even Greg Paks stories. I told myself that Marvel couldn't get the writers to do him justice. You make me think that maybe there's nothing left to write, the Hulk well ran dry a long time ago.

Having the gamma stuff be some mystic bs just feels like opening the door to ruin the character and extended cast,

:agree:

Also, having characters be the super duper bestest numbah one genius in the world ever, because they started out as a reasonably competent electrician or gumshoe, is a thing that already chafes my nuts. Tony Stark being brilliant because aliens feels like a figurative cheese grater down there.
 
Shit, that was Cho. For a second I thought they gave Jen a dyke cut before turning her into He-She-Hulk.



I wonder what they were paying Alex Ross to do all that, just for this series.

Who even knows? It's a huge bit of hypocrisy since he fought to keep Kyle Rayner out of Kingdom Come and hated using modern characters.

I figure he was paying to play. Do covers for Marvel, Marvel leaves him alone to sell original art of their characters.

But I'll concede something: I haven't really enjoyed the Hulk since Peter David left. Not even Greg Paks stories. I told myself that Marvel couldn't get the writers to do him justice. You make me think that maybe there's nothing left to write, the Hulk well ran dry a long time ago.

I wouldn't go that far. I didn't really love Pak's run. He left it in a terrible place with World War Hulk. The Hulk comes down and fucking wrecks New York. He subsequently wrote the companion piece to Loeb's run. And hey, kudos to Loeb. He took a broke character and made something stupid, over the top and fun.

PAD's run got tiring around the Keown era. Byrne was smart enough to come in, put in some great work, and bug out.


stark being the result of alien and whatnot was fucking funny ngl


to be fair I think there's a point where you can tell how competent a writer is.

Shit writers are obviously shit.

Writers that piss people off by
-introducing unnecessary retcons that don't pay off
-keep trying to do "something new" that doesn't pay off
-get ham handed and turn a hulk comic into walls of text

ngl I miss james robinson and geoff johns with their continuity sperging. i wish they'd do more marvel stuff once in a while. marvel has too many writers that want to just get some stupid "milestone" and then get absolutely BTFO'd when the newest LGBT, gender, or race grift doesn't get that much love because it's either boring, insulting, or a bad retcon.

Robinson's Marvel stuff bored me and the last thing he did I liked was in the 00s. Also he made Alan Scott gay so fuck him.

But, it's funny you said that. Last time he was at Marvel, Geoff wrote the last great Avengers run.
 
Who even knows? It's a huge bit of hypocrisy since he fought to keep Kyle Rayner out of Kingdom Come and hated using modern characters.

I figure he was paying to play. Do covers for Marvel, Marvel leaves him alone to sell original art of their characters.
the 90s were weird and if he kept kyle out, then why'd he keep Tim Drake in?
I wouldn't go that far. I didn't really love Pak's run. He left it in a terrible place with World War Hulk. The Hulk comes down and fucking wrecks New York. He subsequently wrote the companion piece to Loeb's run. And hey, kudos to Loeb. He took a broke character and made something stupid, over the top and fun.

PAD's run got tiring around the Keown era. Byrne was smart enough to come in, put in some great work, and bug out.
honestly the whole Sakaar shitshow after WWH was kinda boring ish. Wish they managed to do something with them tbh.
Robinson's Marvel stuff bored me and the last thing he did I liked was in the 00s. Also he made Alan Scott gay so fuck him.

But, it's funny you said that. Last time he was at Marvel, Geoff wrote the last great Avengers run.
didn't he make the n52 earth-2 Alan Scott gay? i get the feeling it was never intended to be a long term "serious" part of canon and that someone at DC fucked around and decided to make the mainline one gay for brownie points?

i did like Robinson's INvaders series before it got shitcanned, but it was paced too slowly.
 
I get an impression of a dog balancing a treat on its nose, waiting for the command.

And hey, kudos to Loeb. He took a broke character and made something stupid, over the top and fun.

I was going to say something similar, but I remembered the reaction to Red Hulk the first time around. I think you can still hear the echoes of the screams of rage in some places. Though yeah, it was the last time a Hulk comic gave me a chuckle.
 
Not to mention she has an ugly hero outfit.
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she's supposed to be an 8 year old kid asfaik
I get an impression of a dog balancing a treat on its nose, waiting for the command.



I was going to say something similar, but I remembered the reaction to Red Hulk the first time around. I think you can still hear the echoes of the screams of rage in some places. Though yeah, it was the last time a Hulk comic gave me a chuckle.
they brought back RULK but I feel like it's not going to be utilized well
people still buy image?
 
Hey, I remember Union. He got kicked off stormwatch, then killed himself at a party, then came back for the monarchy fever dream.
 
Wait, so they form a union not to get better working conditions or get paid more, but to cancel titles? What?

SJWs are not about improving things for themselves but depriving their enemies of those things.

Incidentally, following that FF pic someone above posted, I've read that entire modern FF run up to the latest and I mostly enjoyed it. Except that Doom seems to be a bit of a cartoonish villain again and his relationship with Val seems to have been quietly sidelined. I liked both him as the new Iron Man and Val's relationship with "Uncle Doom". All seems to be, retconned isn't the right word as it still happened, but reverted."
 
Superman 78 3

did not like it. Unlike the other issues, this did not have the feel of a 70's story, feeling a bit tad modern for my tastes. And also, supes parents from krypton are alive, and in the bottle city of kandor and for some reason supes parents were there when they never lived on krypton. Kinda like mixing two stories in one. Also, fucking hell why bring they back? just do a brainiac adventure without superman parents.

now I am liking batman 89 issue 3 more than this.
 

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So, Saga is coming back from hiatus.

I am someone that has never read Saga.

Redpill me on this series. Is it any good and worth all the hype that I hear around it or is it woke bullshit?
 
So, Saga is coming back from hiatus.

I am someone that has never read Saga.

Redpill me on this series. Is it any good and worth all the hype that I hear around it or is it woke bullshit?

i wouldn't call it woke bullshit but i recall the author just kinda trying to make the point that "anyone can die, permanently" by having characters regularly die.
 
So, Saga is coming back from hiatus.

I am someone that has never read Saga.

Redpill me on this series. Is it any good and worth all the hype that I hear around it or is it woke bullshit?
It's Brian K. Vaughn. I never really found his stories that good, Y the Last Man was okay, people put him in high regard, but he's another Joss Whedon type. His stories lack a certain omph! He also wrote a really cringy comic after Trump won about Canada resisting a US invasion of Canada which was terrible. I would say worse than Calexit. Saga is from what I remember mediocre shock spreads like a dragon sucking itself off and SEX! The basic premise is that a moon and a planet have been at war for ages, some guy is caught sleeping with the enemy and they run away because really surface level politics. Again this guy is another Joss Whedon and from Toronto or something, he's more insufferable if I try to remember what he wrote.
 
It's Brian K. Vaughn. I never really found his stories that good, Y the Last Man was okay, people put him in high regard, but he's another Joss Whedon type. His stories lack a certain omph! He also wrote a really cringy comic after Trump won about Canada resisting a US invasion of Canada which was terrible. I would say worse than Calexit. Saga is from what I remember mediocre shock spreads like a dragon sucking itself off and SEX! The basic premise is that a moon and a planet have been at war for ages, some guy is caught sleeping with the enemy and they run away because really surface level politics. Again this guy is another Joss Whedon and from Toronto or something, he's more insufferable if I try to remember what he wrote.
runaways was fine but i think it went to shit right after he left it
 
I'll be honest Peter David is one of those guys who writes good for one character and terrible for others. Banner and Hulk has always been a story of how Banner deep down is a terrible person, and the Hulk is that bit of him that recognizes it.
This right here more or less sums up the only Hulk I've ever enjoyed - Joe Fixit. For all his faults in Immortal Hulk, I think Ewing mostly did a good job with Joe and I liked the idea that he's the personality Betty is the most drawn to. If I were to write a Hulk story, I probably would use him as the Hulk largely because he's got enough intelligence to have a real character, he's sinister enough to keep everyone on edge even when "calm", he has a charm to him that I don't think any of the other intelligent Hulk personalities ever had, and there's some real depth to him under all his sociopathy and bluster.
 
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